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what you’re talking about is the nuances that make us all different individuals not everything is going to work for everybody every time
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Submitted 1 day ago by MrHamza@lemm.ee to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 1 day ago
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
In my opinion, addiction is a relationship. Sometimes it’s hot, sometimes it’s comfortable, sometimes it’s a nightmare. It all depends on the combination of influences involved.
So, yes, moderation works as long as circumstances allow for it. Depending on the addiction, the bad times can still be pretty manageable. Or not.
In the words of William S. Burroughs, there’s nothing recreational about heroin.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
It depends on the person and life situation.
Some people have better self control than others.
If you have a chill and safe life it’s much easier to use for fun rather than compulsively.
Etx
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 1 day ago
I think that depends a lot on the specific addictions and which circumstances make you want to give into it more. e.g. physical addictions like to highly addictive drugs are typically harder to moderate that non-physical addictions.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I gone cold turkey with reddit.
Problem is, now I’m stuck with y’all, here on lemmy.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It’s like switching from cigarettes to chickory.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 day ago
sits on your lap
Why? Whats wrong with us?
njordomir@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’d like to think as a group, we are a healthier addiction than Reddit. :)
Pronell@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What works for you, works for you.
It may be possible to slowly wean yourself off of these behaviors that are worrying you. If it’s down to once a month, there isn’t as much of a jump to zero times a month, but maybe sometime. And then once it’s been a year, congratulate yourself for that and keep going.
Habits are hard to break and much easier to fall into. But if you are more conscious of these decisions, it all becomes a little bit easier with time.
That kind of mindfulness is a skill that is hard to develop, but your post leads me to think you’re already on your way.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Depends on the person, resilience factors, support, access, what the addiction is, etc
Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
The issue with moderation is how it requires a rational actor to, well, moderate use or a behavior. At some point during a persons “addiction” the ability to execute control over those behaviors lessens until it eventually breaks. The time table on this varries and for some they may be able to stick to whatever rules they set, however if you ask anyone whose been in this position they would tell you how often their thoughts / emotions were consumed by a phenomenon called craving.
Everything everyone said about each person being different is valid, but by and large, the best way to minimize negative impacts of whatever “addiction” we are talking about (process or substance) is to cease completely.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
If you can moderate, it isn’t really an addiction. At least, not by the strict definition. If you use it more colloquially, sure.
But addiction is a compulsion that is acceded to, despite consequences, by the more common usage of the word. If you can resist the compulsion, then it hasn’t reached that level yet.
I mean, a lot of this kind of discussion depends on exactly how someone defines a term, right? Addiction has multiple usages, so there’s no single answer.
I’d say a good frame of reference would be that there’s a difference between dependency and addiction, with addiction being more defined by a lack of ability to resist compulsion. Dependence would be more along the lines of having the compulsion at all, be it to an external chemical or an internal factor. It kinda rolls together the more clinical definition with the looser versions.
Now, me? I’ve been full on addicted to nicotine by any usage of the term. Cold turkey wasn’t possible. Moderation was only possible short term. But, I’ve taken opiates off and on for years without developing a dependence at all, though that’s partially because I hate the damn things and only take them when my pain levels are out of control. Yay chronic pain?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 17 hours ago
If you can moderate, it isn’t really an addiction. At least, not by the strict definition. If you use it more colloquially, sure.
I think that doesn’t really work for physical addictions. Even if you can easily stop using because your mind just works that way, if you used an addictive substance for long enough you’ll get withdrawal symptoms.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
I covered that by stating that there are multiple usages of addiction. I’m aware that addiction, dependence, and the medical issues each brings is a complicated one. There are nuances to all of it, but they were tangential to what OP asked.
Also, depending on who’s talking about it and in what context, physical addiction may or may not be a thing. All addiction comes with changes in the brain and body. Even something as seemingly non physical as gambling has a physical component, and people may experience withdrawal symptoms, no matter how they stop.
One aspect of why that happens is dopamine. Every addiction I know of has some degree of dopamine release as a part of the overall disease process. Though, disorder may be a preferred term to disease. The experience of losing a dopamine trigger is part of what triggers withdrawal. It’s why even non addictive substances like antidepressants can still cause symptoms on cessation. Though I would argue that dependence on a medication that can cause withdrawal symptoms meets the standard to call addictive. I’ve seen people engage in the same behaviors that someone addicted to illegal drugs will engage in, in order to stop those symptoms and gain access to at least a similar drug if not the exact same one.
Like I said, tangential to the OP’ question.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It has to when you’re food addict…
scarabic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Interesting. I found the opposite. I was never very good at moderating. Complete cold turkey removes the question from the table. It might suck, but at least you aren’t in a constant battle with yourself over whether you can have a cabarets now, or should wait. Is one more too many? Am I no longer smoking moderately but addictive? I found it was way too easy to slide down the slope on all that. Getting through the day without smoking meant holding fast 1000 times, and relapsing just meant giving in once. I could always talk myself into why a cigarette eas okay this time, why I deserved it, how I’d been doing so well…
Cold turkey just shuts all that off and I could move forward.
Do what works for you. Just make sure it is actually working and not just giving you the illusion of that.
Krudler@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It does for many people, because we as humans are continually in a dance between our conscious and subconscious minds.
Your subconscious mind is trying to protect you and trying to help you manage your emotions through those behaviors.
Your conscious mind is seeing a problem with those behaviors and you want to change.
Your subconscious mind freaks out and it clings harder to the things you’re trying to walk away from, when it fears that you will lose them and correspondingly, It’s ability to manage your feelings through these behaviors.
So in the short term, it can help a lot to tell yourself that you do not need to stop, while you gradually worry about reducing.
But in the longer term, it would be advantageous to you to seek counseling. There is an emotional component that is at play in every unwanted behavior, every addiction. The actual addictive act is almost irrelevant. For example a drinking problem has almost nothing to do with alcohol.
Mothra@mander.xyz 1 day ago
Is it really an addiction? What happens to you if you don’t have any money to spend on this? Or, say, for some reason there are no more gambling opportunities or sex workers in your area?
MrHamza@lemm.ee 1 day ago
[deleted]ericatty@infosec.pub 1 day ago
It’s not the same (obviously) but it depends.
If I buy a bag of jelly belly candy, I will eat the whole bag until I have a stomach ache, and then eat until the bag is empty. So I buy smaller amounts.
But other sugary snacks? I went cold turkey and cut out all sugar and it was all I could focus on, I craved sugar to the point of being miserable. I bought a bag of chocolates, told myself I could have one a day (like a mini snickers) - what happened will shock!
I ate one a day, and sometimes not even that. Just knowing it was there as an option took away the obsession and I ate overall a lot healthier.
So, yeah, I could do sugar in moderation with chocolate, but not with those tiny jelly beans.
Whatever your addiction is, only you know if you can really do moderation or not.
I know of other people that kept a pack of smokes or a pint of whiskey in the back of a cabinet. Knowing it’s there is enough, and they just keep putting off partaking until suddenly they realize it’s been a year or more and they haven’t thought about it in ages.
bent@lemm.ee 1 day ago
You probably need to try to figure it out. I quit porn cold turkey as that was the only way I coulddo it. I have tend to become addicted to caffeine and candy (sugar) if I’m not careful, so I’ve quite those several times. Tried both cold turkey and gradually for those and found that reducing fast and controlled work for those. So going from 5 cups of coffee a day to 2 a day for a week, to maximum one a day for a week to 2-3 cups a week.
robocall@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve heard about people that just use meth or cocaine on special occasions.
ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 day ago
I think moderation can work just like cold turkey can work, depends on the level of addiction, addiction, and user.
zxqwas@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
If you can keep it at what you consider an acceptable level then it’s fine.
In my case I tend to go from keeping an acceptable level for a few weeks, then one becomes two that becomes three and then I’m back at the original unacceptable level.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
If a person can moderate, I would call it a bad habit and not an addiction. To me, the inability to moderate is what makes it an addiction in the first place.
turtlesareneat@discuss.online 9 hours ago
Exactly this. People use the word way too casually these days, but addiction literally means something that’s out of your control despite specific efforts to control it.
One of those efforts is usually moderation though, so when you see someone questioning or struggling with moderation in a true addiction, you know that there’s hope for them to get clean. They are “contemplative.”