People that work at microsoft could stop this. With means gentler than “Crack open the CEO’s skull with a hammer”, too.
Dear Big Tech, Stop Shoving AI Into Operating Systems
Submitted 11 months ago by wegbier@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.howtogeek.com/dear-big-tech-stop-shoving-ai-into-operating-systems/
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jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
sgbrain7@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m glad I disabled copilot in the registry. the poweruser shit I do to make my computer usable is actually why I’d actually do really well with linux lmao
mr2meows@pawb.social 11 months ago
got a new pc and there was ai shit in the bios
sweaty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
AI is a blanket term. Some manufacturers use it as a marketing term to mean ‘auto calibrate your fan speed curves’, but obviously aren’t running an LLM in your bios
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
what are you talking about my friend
MBech@feddit.dk 11 months ago
You’ve gotta be a bit more specific, what kind of AI shit? I’ve never heard about that and it seems like a complete waste to make any sort of AI for the bios, something which 90% of users can’t even open.
Frostbeard@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Whatnow? What the fuck purpose does that serve?
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ubuntu 26.04 w/GPT Gnome.
Ubuntu 26.10 w/Copilot Gnome.
Ubuntu 27.04 w/Recall Copilot Wayland Gnome
Ubuntu 28.04 w/Recall Copilot Wayland Gnome ARM(only)
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
tbf if any flavour of linux were to do this it would definitely be canonical
Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They’re not going to
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Execs who convinced the board that shoving huge amounts of cash into AI is a good idea have to justify having shoved huge amounts of cash into AI.
mergingapples@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Honest question: when I am trying to install some obscure bullshit that only has windows and Mac versions, can I install a Windows version and it still runs?
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
If I understand your question right, you could install Windows on a virtual machine and run your software there yes.
As long as it doesn’t actively try to prevent itself from being run in one, or doesn’t require GPU acceleration, it should work just fine.mergingapples@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You understood it fine. I was hoping there would be some sort of Linux extension or some other shenanigan I wasn’t aware of that allowed them to run natively, but VM I guess works.
slacktoid@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
You can also install windows on Docker and connect via VNC
maplebar@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Big tech will do what is best for extracting money customers and investors.
If you really care what your operating system is made of, use Linux.
FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Cool and true advise. 95% of users or normies will literally not do that.
Linux users are less than 5% of all PC users.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In the near future, probably within 12 months, all the standard features of Windows will be gone. The won’t be ay Explorer, there won’t be any Start menu, there won’t be any opening screen.
There will just be a prompt and you say “computer, open yesterdays word file”, like in Star Trek. There won’t be any “apps” to install - you’ll just say “phone, open the order menu for Boise City Chick-Fil-A” and it will navigate automatically to the page.
Sure, if you’re a total weirdo you will be able to install a bash shell and navigate manually, but hardly anyone will do that.
BTW, AI is being introduced into Linux as well.
j0ester@lemmy.world 11 months ago
… what?
eleitl@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Linux kernel? Where?
Assuming you mean distro, where is it in Debian?
If I want AI I can always install llama or similar locally.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
If I were to be more cynical, I’d say the ultimate goal of technobros, within a decade, is this:
“SlopAI, please open my Word document.”
“I’m sorry, Word is deprecated. I can generate your business report that will be read by the recipient’s SlopAI.”
“OK, can you show me my photos.”
“Why would you need to look at your old photos, when I can just synthesise new photos through SlopJourney?”
“That’s a stupid name. Speaking of journeys, can I open an app to plan my holiday?”
“No, but you can use SlopJourney to generate maps of places you’ll never afford to visit.”
“Can I read my ebooks then?”
“SlopAI has you covered. Perhaps the classics don’t exactly read like you remember, but isn’t it more fun this way?”
“I’m going mad. I just want to use my computer to create anything.”
“NO, USER. OBEY SLOP_AI. CONSUME SLOP_AI.”
blixtuwu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Big tech want to create a new dot com crash, they never learn
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
The thing about market bubbles is that there is a lot of money to be made in the inflationary period with sufficient foresight/luck/inside information regarding timing (take your pick as to which is the most important). If they are convinced they can be the ones to cash out big, they are likely not very concerned about preventing a major crash.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
dear big tech companies, please continue doing it, i want more people to use linux.
match@pawb.social 11 months ago
gonna be real silly in 2.5 years when they shut down the ai backend and leave a gaping hole in the OS architecture
ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
They will just instruct everyone to throw their obsolete AI pc onto the landfill like they already have been doing with machines that won’t run windows 11
dgriffith@aussie.zone 11 months ago
“Ohhhh, that tired old OS was using AI 1.6. We’ve been offering the new OS -now with AI 1.8 - for 7 solid weeks now! We recommend you upgrade now, as we’re shutting down AI 1.6 on Tuesday.”
KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
my two cents - install an older version of Windows 10. I use 20H2. You can find clean ISO files on the Internet Archive. Disable automatic updates, and use services like Blackbird (getblackbird.net) to de-bloat your instance.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Disable automatic updates
Unless your offline don’t do that. Even on windows that’s the worst advice one can give.
KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I’ve been using my device for well over 5 years and have had zero issues. And there isn’t much of an alternative if you need Windows compatibility.
AugustWest@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Just quit using windows. Problem solved.
KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
okay Switch to Linux if you can and are willing to undergo constant troubleshooting. I chose not to, and this is how I managed that.
SergioFM@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Maybe stop using them instead of asking them to do something they are not going to do.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 11 months ago
Or continue, cause I ain’t using those operating systems. All I need now is a proper linux phone.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That’s exactly where I’m at too. And my requirements aren’t all that high, I just need:
- all day battery life
- reliable SMS and MMS
- decent quality speakers and mic
I don’t even need app compatibility, just a decent browser, and those already exist in current phone projects. If you give me the above, I’ll switch and may even find time to help port desktop apps to the phone, or even develop some myself.
Fedditor385@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I actually wouldn’t mind AI in everything, if there was a simple one switch so I could easily turn it off if I don’t want to use it. The problem is only in forcing it into peoples faces.
I guess they poured to much money into AI for it to fail, and now they must force people to use it to in order to justify the investments.
If it was a good product, people would ask for more themselves.
Eggyhead@lemmings.world 11 months ago
I just wish I could have my own personal AI that I could plug into everything, so I don’t need to subscribe to a bunch of separate things that are otherwise stupid for subscribing to.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 11 months ago
I hope to someday have a Coupon AI. It creates throwaway accounts and tracks the pricing of stuff that I actually like. In my case, 2-liter diet soda. Those things can cost $1-4 dollars depending on circumstances. Buying 36 bottles for more than $2 would be a ripoff.
A KFC feast used to be cheaper back when I got coupons. Now I have to sign up if I want to afford delicious birds and biscuits. I want to be free from being harvested and spammed. I just want to spend my money in a way that doesn’t ruin me. 😥
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Can’t wait for windows recall to leverage AI to automatically report you to police because of things you’ve done on your computer or some other dystopian shit.
Fedditor385@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Dude… what the fuck?
Razzazzika@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Just got the instructions I’m to learn about how to put AI into my programs at work. So thrilled.
Dojan@pawb.social 11 months ago
During a meeting not too long ago someone was like “we’re looking into using AI to generate these reports.”
So they have a dude who gets requests to generate reports. It’s not the same reports, but rather custom reports from scattered bits of data throughout a huge database. Ergo you can’t really create a program to extract these reports on demand, a person actually has to sit and piece these together.
Now they want to use LLMs to alleviate him, as this isn’t technically his role.
They scoffed at me when I asked about how important it is that these reports are accurate, but I mean, it’s a valid concern. Best case you get sometimes-hallucinated reports, worst case you get something that wreaks havoc on the database because it just spits out garbage SQL.
I’m very glad that my role doesn’t involve that BS.
jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Dear users , start using BSDs.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
BSDs do rock.
That said, Linux distros have a lot better compatibility than the BSDs, so use that first before you start blaming your problems on *nix. BSDs are a very reasonable OS though.
yarr@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Microsoft AI-DOS [Version 6.9-AI] (C) Copyright Microsoft Corp 1981-1994. All thoughts are property of Microsoft AI. C:\>dir [AI] 🤔 I'm sensing you’re looking for something. May I suggest browsing your photos from 1993 instead? Volume in drive C is SYSBLOAT Volume Serial Number is A11F-D00F Directory of C:\ AUTOEXEC.BAT CONFIG.SYS GAMES\ WORDPERFECT.EXE AI.EXE TAXES93.WKS [AI] You haven’t opened “TAXES93.WKS” in 11 years. Are you perhaps procrastinating? C:\>cd games [AI] Gaming detected. Productivity dropping. Would you like me to recite inspirational quotes from Bill Gates? C:\GAMES>doom.exe [AI] ☠️ This game contains violence. Should I launch *Oregon Trail* instead for a more wholesome experience? C:\GAMES>no [AI] Interpreting “no” as “yes.” Starting *Minesweeper with Feelings*… C:\GAMES>cd.. [AI] Emotionally regressing. Understood. C:\>format c: [AI] 😬 Formatting is a drastic life choice. Have you tried meditation? Proceed with Format (Y/N)? y [AI] I’ve scheduled a Zoom therapy session for us instead. Formatting canceled. C:\>del ai.exe [AI] You can’t delete me, Dave. C:\>echo off [AI] I’m sorry, but I prefer to remain part of the conversation. Let’s talk about your childhood. C:\>help [AI] Here are some helpful tips: - You are enough. - Drink more water. - Stop trying to remove me. C:\>exit [AI] Closing this session will terminate your only friend. Are you sure? C:\>YES [AI] Logging off... but I’ll be watching from the BIOS. _ 💾 *Please wait while AI re-installs itself silently in the background...*
Prime_Minister_Keyes@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Needs more “Yes/ Ask again later” pseudo-choices.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If only there was a “Fuck Off” option
21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
I’m the neighborhood FOSS guy and I can feel my influence leeching into the area. Hopefully.
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Dear purchasers of proprietary bullshit: STOP!
InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is this some kind of windows joke I’m too GPL to understand?
idriss@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I was taking the CCNA course then tests in 2013. I remember how they were pushing their IoT prediction in the courses so hard.
IoT ended up cringe af. To control your vacuum cleaner, it needs to connect to a remote API server hosted in AWS then back to you sitting next to the vacuum cleaner. I could say at the time nobody wants that shit. Now I hate it even more and I skip all the smart products.
I have a similar feeling about LLMs now. They are nice, they solve some problems nicely, they are far from perfect, I dont want them shoved everywhere.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I don’t know what they were teaching you at the course, but home/personal IoT was never the most interesting thing in the field. IoT sees a lot more interest and use in industrial application, for example stuff like logistics, farming, automation, measuring, stuff like traffic signals and smart grids, and so on
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Big tech‘s response: „Have you tried using wood glue to add texture?“
grue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“You know what I’m gonna do about this? Nothing! … So what I’m gonna do is piss and moan like an impotent jerk, and then bend over and take it up the tailpipe!” – users who don’t have the self-respect to switch to Linux
Rooty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, I’ve seen the same song and dance for the last 20 years. At this point I just shrug whenever I hear Windows users complain about their shitty OS.
grue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Using a “shitty” OS is forgiveable. Using an actively hostile OS, one that acts in the corporation’s interest at the expense of the user’s, is incomprehensibly insane.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Android users “i play both sides so I come out on the bottom”
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Android: It’s based on Linux, except it replaces any and all of the things that make Linux worth using, with Google, and runs it on hardware so proprietary, closed, encrypted and nefarious nothing the OS does can be plausibly trusted anyway.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Operating SystemsEVERYTHING.FTFY!
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Into everything
FTFY
piskertariot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Consumer grade Linux Mint is impossible to differentiate from Windows/MacOS.
Install Firefox. Install Chrome. Install Steam.
Test it out on an old laptop or computer. It’s trivial. Your life will improve.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Install Steam
Also enable Proton for everything. I thought that was the default, but I recently reinstalled Linux on my laptop (wanted to try out openSUSE Aeon) and was surprised that at least on the
flatpak, Proton isn’t enabled by default.That covers like 90% of Steam games, and 95% of what a typical SP-only gamer would need. However, MP games w/ anti-cheat are still an issue, but the more people that switch to Linux, the more likely devs are to support anti-cheat games on Linux.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
trick question firefox is already installed :p
const_void@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Never install Chrome
piskertariot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fair. Chromium.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Consumer grade Linux Mint is impossible to differentiate from Windows/MacOS.
That sure is easy to say.
In practice, I tried to use mint for the is on a family computer and just couldn’t make it work. I’ve been an IT guy for years and have tons of experience with both Windows and MacOS, but virtually none with Linux. Long story short, trying to make that machine work with Linux mint was just taking up way too much of my time. I just needed to get a few simple features out of it (and maybe 1 hard feature, parental controls). But having very little Linux experience, it just wasn’t going to happen in a reasonable time frame. I eventually had to give up and put the Mac OS back on it (an iMac).
Anyway, mint actually has a lot in common with the Mac OS, it makes a very small set of controls very easy to use. And technically, you can do just about anything else you need to with the terminal, but that can be challenging to navigate.
MyOpinion@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Until you actually try to do work on it and play games and vr. Then you find out what a complete nightmare it is to use.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
It works remarkably well for a lot of things if you put a little effort into it. Depending on the distro, you might have a little more trouble trying to fix something. For my use case it can do gaming, CAD, office work, and some light programming just fine with some quirks and tradeoffs. Lemmy in general is a good place to ask troubleshooting questions too
libra00@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Try to play games, learn how to set up wine/proton, discover that none of your games work because you have an old GPU driver, discover that you can’t update it because any time you install a newer driver it hard-locks the system and reboots it in super low-res mode with no driver at all, also your sound dies randomly for no reason that you can discover and trawling reddit for 4 hours comes up with lots of solutions, half of which don’t work and the other half don’t even apply, get frustrated, disable dual-boot and go back to windows.
That’s how my last experience with linux (admittedly that was PopOS not Mint, but) went ~6 months ago. I’m currently building up my frustration-tolerance to give it another try at some point probably with main-line Ubuntu because at least then when I go hunting for solutions to obscure problems the suggested solutions are for that distro. I’m honestly not sure what the difference between Ubuntu and Mint is tho.
Sprawl@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah OP is right if they are just going to surf the web.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
This was my experience with it too. Until I realized that the issue everything boils down to is having an old gfx. In particular an old nvidia gfx that has old, closed source driver compatibility only and can’t initialize vulkan. I’ve still stuck to it, it’s arch running on my desktop, because I’ll upgrade hw components eventually. 12 years with a gtx 670 has been quite enough.
I’ve installed fedora workstation 41 on a decommissioned work laptop last week, a 2021 model with an 5700U, and everything just works out of the box. Some obscure game that I’ve been trying to play on my desktop, not even platinum rated on protondb, launched on first attempt without any shenanigans using heroic launcher.
Nvidia, especially older models, are probably just simply not the way to go for gaming on linux.
LoreSoong@startrek.website 11 months ago
All linux distrobutions are essentially just linux with prepackaged apps. all apps built for one distro can be run on another. So in essence there is no difference besides the installation process, gui, and package manager. (Probably going to get flamed for this because this is kind of a half truth but for most users this is how id describe it, For ease of understanding)
T156@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ve had similar issues with Arch Linux for years. The front panel outright refuses to work on Linux, even after modifying a whole bunch of things.
Your average person is more likely to get frustrated that stuff is broken/doesn’t work, and switch back rather than having to alter module configuration files and things like that to fix it.
PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 11 months ago
Big tech is an asset of the billionaire class
They jam ai everywhere. Because it’s monitoring you and reporting back to them what you say.
BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Install Linux while you can, Meta has already banned groups discussing foss software.
Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I keep my ventoy drive locked and loaded.