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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Oh Bro Bro Bro Bro, where’d all the jargon go? Where are the big words and scientific terms that you don’t understand? Where have they gone bro? Where’s the taxonomical definitions Bro? Left them on wikipedia I assume.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
I don’t need to @ you, anyone who reads this thread can see you and know who I’m referring to
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Totally, I can explain that. There can be a couple of things going on. You can start with environment, where you are. I had a couple banana plants for about 15 years in Ireland. Red banana and dwarf banana, they’re grown for their flowers but they did produce fruit and then continue to live. They were indoors, so they never overwintered. They also were not in a subtropic climate, so when they did fruit it was only one stem and not the whole plant. When I’m talking about cultivation of Bananas, it’s the Cavendish banana. Which is your chiquita banana, del monte cultivar. That are grown and maintained in the proper climate, with yearly crop cycles outdoors and they’re all sexually sterile triploids. Bananas you get from a nursery are not the same and so different varieties in sub-optimal climates will behave differently. Fruit production is driven by ethylene, it’s the phyto-hormone that produces female flowers seeds. Like Cannabis, Bananas are a heavy nitrogen feeder.

To get optimal growth you want to keep your Ph floating between 5.5 and 6.5 because that is the range where you get the most nitrogen absorbed whilst still getting required levels of Phosphorus and Potassium. Demand for Phosphorus and Potassium goes up during flowering because you need them for ethylene production. So, if you have insufficient levels of Phosphorus and Potassium, you’ll get in a situation where it could be pollinated and even start to fruit, but be unable to complete the process. So it doesn’t all die back. People think of flowering/fruiting as set parts of a plant’s lifecycle, but biology (especially when you’re caring for a plant in a man made environment) is messier than that. If you grow any photoperiod plant indoors, under LED light, you can demonstrate this really easy. It’s possible to reverse it and go back into vegetative growth. Used to be a popular method with amateur cannabis farmers.

They’d swap a plant into flowering by changing the light cycle, which causes the plant to start producing higher levels of ethylene and stretch. It’s like a big shot of growth hormone, plants can double in size in a matter of two weeks sometimes. Then they’d swap it back to an 18/6 light schedule and you get really weird gnarled growth at first and then it will start to produce normal fan leaves again. Then after a few weeks, they’d flip it to flower and it would get that same big boost to vegetative growth again. Which was handy when you’re growing one plant to yourself and your mates indoors. Totally impractical for commercial cultivation. If your banana wasn’t producing flowers those years it was stalled, it wasn’t gonna produce fruit. Equally conditions (lets say low P-K levels) only allow for part of the plant to produce flowers. Only the that part of the plant will have the potential to produce fruit.

I don’t know, specifically, the conditions that caused your plant to behave like that. But, it’s almost 100% going to be some factor of environment. Light, humidity, nutrient content of the medium. Say your humidity is really low, your banana leaf is still going to grow, but the rate at which gas exchange will occur will be totally different. So, they won’t absorb the necessary Co2, which they need for for cellular respiration through creating ATP. Like most plants, banana and Cannabis are type C3 plants. So they only bind Co2 when the light is on them. So, if you have reduced levels of light, not through yearly seasonal changes, but like shade. They will grow much much slower, because PAR is logarithmic, so even a little bit of crowding out, or shading means massively reduced levels of light.

If I was a betting man, I’d say just insufficient/ nutrients/light to complete the fruiting cycle. Also, when I say they die after fruiting, they die back to their root, essentially. Which throughout the growth cycle is proliferating new rhizomes. That will grow out of the same area that the primary plant was. They don’t “die” and that’s it it’s nothing. They reproduce through fruit and through the kind of natural cloning of the proliferation of rhizomes. Not specifically the Cavendish banana because it’s been engineered to produce no seeds. Which is a good place to leave this off with a very fun fact. The Cavendish Banana that’s cultivated for sale to international markets, along with seedless watermelon, seedless grapes etc. are as I mentioned before, what we call Triploids and I’ll end it here.

Ploidy in plants is comparable to chromosomes in people. Normally the banana would be a Diploid. In Olericulture specifically, we normally grow triploids, because they are sexually sterile. Crocus extract (also a gout medication in humans) is a tubule inhibitor. Normally, when meiosis occurs and the cell divides to form two gametes you get one cell with half the DNA and the other with the other half. After exposure to Crocus extract, you get 1 gamete that has 100% of the necessary DNA and an empty cell that can’t do anything. The offspring of that plant after fertilisation, will be a quadriploid. Just means the DNA of 2 plants contained in one. You cross that with an unaltered diploid plant and the resulting offspring will be a triploid. Because triploids are incapable of producing offspring. Even when they meet pollen, because having 1 and 1/2 times the amount of DNA in the plant means that there’s always an unpaired strand of DNA, so the plant never gets the signal to start incubating seeds. The bananas produced by triploids are way bigger and highly prolific as well, just by the nature of their genetics.

Hope that answers your question, sorry about all the extraneous stuff, got me thinking about University for the first time in a decade.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Yeah, but this person is pretending to understand horticulture at a level he is not educated in. So, he makes a lot of mistakes in his arguments because he’s just paraphrasing what he finds through searching the web. Case and point

You can’t grow them like an “herb”, whatever tf that is.

Once you read that point he’s made. You know he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Nope, Bamboo is a grass :)
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Yeah, because you’re studying something related to botannical sciences, this dude is just taking his google searches and saying “WELL AKSHUALLY.” He doesn’t have a clue, that’s why he is being so pedantic.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Well you see, this dude is actually a moron who is quoting directly from the wikipedia page for “tree.” Trying to sound like he understands what he’s talking about. If he had done the due diligence of a first year botany student, he would at least have read the first paragraph of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana Which reads:

A banana is an elongated, edible fruit—botanically a berry[1]—produced by several kinds of large treelike herbaceous flowering plants in the genus Musa.

I know you’re not addressing me. I just really don’t appreciate people who claim to experts in the field I have devoted the last ten years of my life to. Who then demonstrate that they don’t even understand what an herbivorous plant is.

You can’t grow them like an “herb”, whatever tf that is.

Don’t listen to him, he’s just a wikipedia warrior.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
It’s not “considered a herb” it is a herbivorous plant. That dudes a dope.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Well at least we know where you get your sources from. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
You’re a moron
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Sure, I actually have a degree in botanical sciences, majoring in Olericulture -which is the study of soft-skinned herbivorous plants for food production. So, I can speak pretty confidently on it. Strictly, a tree is a large, woody, perennial plant that grows slowly over time and produces offspring in the form of angiosperms e.g. apple tree, or gymnosperms e.g. a spruce tree -on a yearly-ish basis. The banana plants root is a rhizome, it’s a speacialised underground stem that grows sectionally, forming nodes. If you’ve ever encountered runner varieties of bamboo, you’ll know what that means. They don’t penetrate nearly as deeply into the soil, they spread rapidly and herbivorous plants are much easier to clone than woody trees.

Because it is a herb and not a tree, Banana plants grow very very fast and they die after they give fruit and that is a real key point in the difference. There are no annual trees, because trees grow slowly and very hardily. Trees are perennial, meaning their above ground structure will remain alive throughout the seasons and after fruiting. If you see a crop of banana plants. They’re 9 months old at fully grown. Their stems are formed by sections of leaves that grow over each other, kinda like certain varieties of bamboo, if you look at how they grow you’ll see that in the stem. After the fruiting they die. Banana plants grow fast, produce offspring and they die back to the rhizome. Your commercially grown banana plant will live roughly a year after it fruits, doesn’t matter if it was 10ft tall, it will die back to the rhizome. Much in the same way ferns will. Trees don’t do that. There are tress alive today that are millions of years old. There is no herb that is millions of years old. It’s a completely ecological niche. Herbs are soft skinned, grow rapidly, produce offspring, wither and die. Trees are woody, produce bark to protect themselves and live for generations, repeatedly producing offspring.

“trees” (and “herbs”) aren’t natural clades but rather form‑based, morphological grades, and only really colloquially so. In cladistic terms they’re polyphyletic or at best paraphyletic. Its a term that pulls together organisms by shared structure (woodiness, height, lack of wood) rather than by a single common ancestor and all its descendants. But it doesn’t need to meet all of those terms to fall into the group.

You don’t need to specify “natural clade” a clade is a grouping of a common ancestor and all of its descendants. There is no unnatural clade. It also doesn’t mean anything in terms of classifying trees. We created that classification. That’s why things don’t fit neatly into everything 100% of the time. But you can do it with mammals too and sea creatures and basically any category of living thing. Trees don’t need to have a singular common ancestor because convergent evolution means they can develop enough shared traits which make them a discreet group of organisms. As opposed to the banana plant which lacks the morphological characteristics of a tree.

You can’t grow them like an “herb”, whatever tf that is.

That is a very dumb statement. There’s lots of information you can get online bro and it’s very easy to sound like you know what you’re talking about. If you’re If you want someone educated in the field to take your opinion seriously, don’t use scientific terms like “morphology” and “polyphyletic” and then demonstrate that you don’t know what an herbivorous plant is. The first thing you learn in undergrad, after the structure of flowering plants and types of meristemic tissue, is herbivorous plants.

Other things real quick, herbivorous plants have way more water and a much bigger demand for it as well. That’s Bananas are grown at the tropics and in greenhouses. They need the humidity to be healthy and produce fruit. You can buy a banana plant and keep it in your house for years with no fruit, because it’s unlikely to meet the conditions necessary.

If you need more practical differentiation, that you can experience yourself. Get a little mini chain saw and cut through a limb on a tree, after that, rev up the saw and try to cut through the bottom of a fully grown Banana. Lastly, I get what you’re saying. The argument is there’s no such thing as a tree like there’s no such thing as a fish. But the differentiation is important in terms of botany, because yeah the existence of woodies is due to convergent evolution. But, if you’re a horticulturalist the tools and practices for tree care is a totally different discipline to growing and producing food through Olericulture. Which is what bannana cultivation would fall under.

Sources: Bsc Botanical Science and Practices, 2 years as director of a hydroponics facility, 1 year as a climbing arborist’s assistant.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨After 4 years my banana tree decided it was time to fruit!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
Awesome, it’s not a tree though it’s a giant herb. Still cool.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨kingdom come⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:
That’s because Vegetable is not a Botanical Term. It is a culinary term. So, Tomatoes are both fruit and vegetable.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
That’s pretty cool man, respect that. Yeah, I get that 100%. Video Reviews can be pretty formulaic as well, good for stabilising an income if you can cultivate the audience. But, then it’s not something for you.

Because some of the games that I have played, I think there’s no denying that they’re bad games. I still like them though.

I suppose Ross from Accursed Farms does reviews that fit that category. Anyway, glad to see someone commit to something they care about and produce something of value consistently. Be proud of it.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Are you just grabbing screens and reviewing stuff from your collection? Because that’s a lot of gaming, like I have played thousands of games over the last 27 years. But, I can’t game and write with that kind of dedication. Really respectable. Have you considered, cataloguing these and getting a blog? Or turning them into Youtube reviews? You gotta lot of material to work with here, all the hard work is done.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Can I lick it?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
I don’t mean that in a shitty way either. Low End Theory by Tribe Called Quest, Black on Both Sides by Mos Def and Madvillainy by Madvillain. Spin them start to finish with a decent set of headphones. Good Shit.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Can I lick it?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Listen to more music, bro.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Can I lick it?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Why isn’t one of those responses

“Yes, you can!” ?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You can still enable uBlock Origin in Chrome, here is how⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Rent portal? You mean bank account with direct debit and/or electronic transfer. What is a rent portal? How can you possibly benefit from having a website just to act as a middle man to collect your personal info?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨As China prepares to invade Taiwan, a reality check: sitting on the sidelines won’t help Australia⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
The Malacca Strait is used by most container and vehicle ships coming to Australia from Europe. It’s the main route for shipping from the Indian Ocean trading with Asia. It carries about 80,000 ships a year. Once ships from Australia reach North Asia or pass through the Indonesian archipelago, they enter the busiest shipping lanes in the world. The ships carrying Australia’s bulk commodity exports are a significant presence: it’s estimated they account for 29% of global bulk shipping, however the 8 million containers handled each year at Australia’s ports are less than 1% of the global total. So, absolutely disastrous for Australian trade while leaving the rest of the world largely unaffected.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Q anon was a psyop.⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
It’s the red-pill movement. Everything since Gamergate. The endless videos of Jordan Peterson coinciding with Joe Rogan’s tilt to propaganda. Andrew Tate, certified rapist, Sex Trafficker and disgraced MMA combatant. Pushing the idea of individualism and hyper-masculinity. In order to normalise misogyny in young men. Incels, 8Chan and influencers in that sphere have always been disproportionately shown to men, especially young men. It’s part of Curtis Yarvin’s "Dark Enlightenment.’ Dude writes like a 15 year old on Myspace, but the tech billionaires worship him like a prophet. He directly takes credit for even naming the movement. It’s all to spread disinformation and divide the public. Stop us meeting in public and having discussions, just look what Just Eat, Uber, Doordash and all those food apps have done to restaurants as a communal meeting place.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We'd like to welcome our newest Student to Hogwarts, Hun-Gary Mc'Spud.⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Am I?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We'd like to welcome our newest Student to Hogwarts, Hun-Gary Mc'Spud.⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Neither, I am gay and I am the shit. What’s your point?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We'd like to welcome our newest Student to Hogwarts, Hun-Gary Mc'Spud.⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
It’s not out of fear, it’s a conscientious objection. To the normalisation of the erasure of privacy and personal agency in an online space that exists to control our behaviour brokered by algorithms incentivised to expand human suffering for profit.

Or, you know some other gay shit…
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨We'd like to welcome our newest Student to Hogwarts, Hun-Gary Mc'Spud.⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Wow, what a fun way to give a data point about yourself to attach to a public profile already connected to your IP address and potentially your email as well. Cool!
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Happy No-more-USA Day⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
So, someone within America has a negative view about the current American government and their supporters and you want to show them the error of their ways? So, this person you take issue with. Who is wishing ill of the supporters of the government attempting to bring about the end of social equity and expand the class divide of people based on financial income and the inalienable physical characteristics of people outside of white European descent, like the Jim Crow era, that’s rot? That’s what you’re saying. Fuck off, man.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Happy No-more-USA Day⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Woah Buddy Hoser! Go back to Reddit Eh?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Happy No-more-USA Day⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
You’re Canadian, why are you getting your panties in a bunch by inserting yourself into a back and forth of an American telling Magat to “Fuck off”? Canada Day was 3 days ago.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hmmmmm⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Intimidation, they’re not hiding it. They’re just letting you know.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Men are opening up about mental health to AI instead of humans⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
You just lack the self-awareness and victimise yourself under the guise of “men’s issues” so that other guys can emapthise with you and give credence to the idea that men are simultaneously completely forgotten about and that mental healthcare is a soft-science, or doesn’t work for us. When clearly you can see how in this male dominated space, your feelings are not forgotten about. But, because you’ve never actually been to therapy and don’t understand the core concepts. Everything falls back to “society treats women like this and treats men like this” and “this is the reason therapy is bad.” When the reality is that self-reflection and analyses is hard and a skill and very taxing. That’s why people do drugs instead of going to therapy. It’s why men coalesce around the idea that we’re treated “worse” by “society” forgetting that men and women basically make up all of society. Ironically, making your own safe space where you can appeal to shallow emotional arguments around injustice and inequity, while also complaining that the tools, knowledge and science we have at our disposal don’t work.

It’s this really apparent cognitive dissonance that you display here. i.e. You take the premise, stating that talking about your feelings, analysing your behaviour and coming to conclusions about yourself (therapy) is a waste of time. But also, nobody cares about men’s issues and your psychological state isn’t something you have any agency over, but it is a rational response to the state of the world around you. You should read Viktor Frankl. He was an Austrian Neurologist and psychiatrist who was put into forced labour at a concentration camp during World War 2. It nearly killed him, but he survived and died 50 years later. He published a book called Man’s Search for Meaning. Which is a detailed account of how happiness can be achieved in the most unthinkably monstrous circumstances. How Love, Beauty and Humour can exist if you look for and cultivate them and how those glimmers, no matter how small. Lend to his assertion that meaning can be found in the most miserable of conditions.

Which immediately discounts the doomerism you display in your other comments. I’d also say listen to some Alan Watts if you really are stuck in this mindset. He was much more a philosophical entertainer than an actual great thinker. But, one of his better opinions is that, you are your mindset and your metal health. Like, if you perceive, or tell yourself you perceive all of these horrible things about the economy, housing, the state of human loneliness. Then that is what you feel, it will be true to you and you will be unable to do anything. Alternatively, if you move away from constantly thinking about existential threats. To just actually, what is in front of you perceptively. You can find these glimmers of positivity that give your life dignity and meaning. It’s the same as before, when I confronted you on the sexism of saying, “women are therapists, women can’t understand men. Therefore, mental healthcare doesn’t work for men.”

I confronted you about that and then you made it existential by tasking me with finding how many therapists across the entire field (and there are thousands of niche categories within this discipline, just fyi) are unbiased.

how many well trained therapists are there out there who are totally objective, compared to poorly trained ones who will often perpetual their harmful biases?

does anyone know? how do we even measure that? do we just assume people who have a certain degree from a certain program are inherently ‘objective’?

Which are things no one can possibly know, which are not necessary to know in order for what your saying to be proven false, or for therapy to be effective. You purposefully make it existential by doing that. Because, now you’ve made an impossible task an essential requirement for you to change your perspective on things. You require it to change your perspective on therapy and actually go. This way, you dismiss what I am saying and then you don’t have to do the thing you don’t want to. You can just, sound like advocate for men’s issues and then you can get all the emotional validation you require from other men, who also feel disenfranchised, in the form of supportive comments and updoots. All without having to go through the painful, (coded: humiliating) and personally challenging prospect of psychotherapy. Honestly dude, you read very much, like someone who really wants therapy.

Who wants to understand why they are this way, wants to be understood and wants to improve their life. But, it’s expensive, what if I don’t like them? What if it doesn’t work? So, instead you get emotional validation anyway you can. By appealing to the male disenfranchisement sentiment, which is literally everywhere online from Andrew Tate to Sam Seeder. It perpetuates wallowing in victimhood which is tantamount to drugs in terms of emotional coping. The ultimate goal of therapy is to overcome these issues. So, that while the factually true things about the negative existential events we cannot control continue to occur. It does not become a crutch to support your failures in interpersonal communications, bad behaviours, lack of motivation, or lack of emotional fulfillment. Seriously, I recognise from what you’re saying that you’ve never been to psychotherapy. Genuinely, it would help you stop equating your personal feelings with the inequity of men’s issues, which would make those problems feel less like existential threats and help you improve your life. I’m not even trying to be condescending, I recognise this as a neuroticism I have dealt with as a younger man and I can speak from experience. Confronting it honestly and with curiosity and self-reflection has massively improved my outlook on life and helped me become much more secure in my masculinity.

Give it a try, because the other option is you just self-flagellate in this cyclical mindset of victimisation that doesn’t actually go anywhere and is only validated by others caught in this myopic and isolating worldview. Give it a shot.