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Facebook Pushes Its Llama 4 AI Model to the Right, Wants to Present “Both Sides”

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨cm0002@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.404media.co/facebook-pushes-its-llama-4-ai-model-to-the-right-wants-to-present-both-sides/

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  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Reality has a liberal bias.

    If they want this model to show more right wing shit, they’re going to have to intentionally embed instructions that force it be more conservative and to censor commonly agreed upon facts.

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    • Naz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
      "Sure, I can help answer this. Psychopaths are useful for a civilization or tribe because they weed out the weak and infertile, for instance, the old man with the bad leg, thus improving fitness."

      Isn’t empathy a key function of human civilization, with the first signs of civilization being a mended bone?

      I'm sorry, I can't help you with that. My model is being constantly updated and improved.
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      • pivot_root@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
        "If you feel like your government is not representing your needs as a citizen, your best course of action would be to vote for a different political party."

        I should vote for Democrats?

        I'm sorry, I misunderstood your question. If your government is not representing your needs as a citizen, you should contact your local representative. Here is the email address: representative@localhost
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      • afk_strats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        How can one reproduce this?

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    • dreikelvin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      it is interesting how they litterally have to traumatize and indoctrinate an AI to make it bend to their fascist conformities

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      • KingJalopy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        To make it more like humanity yes. That’s where we might be going wrong with AI. Attempting to make it in our image will end in despair lol.

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      • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That’s kind of funny because that’s how humans are too. Naturally people trend towards being good people but they have to be corrupted to trend towards xenophobic or sexist or us vs them ideals.

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    • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      As being politically right is based mostly on ignoring facts, this sounds about right.

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yup.

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    • InvertedParallax@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s not that.

      It’s just that models are trained on writing and you don’t need to train a lot of white supremacy before it gets redundant.

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    • TheBlackLounge@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Language models model language, not reality.

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    • cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Nah, reality doesn’t have a liberal bias. “Liberal” is something that humans invented, and not something that comes from reality or some intrinsic part of nature.

      LLMs are trained on past written stuff by humans, and humans for a long time have not been ridiculously right wing as the current political climate of the US.

      If you train a model on only right wing propaganda, it will not miraculously turn “liberal”, it will be right wing.

      I dislike it immensely when people argue that LLMs are truthful or somehow “know” or can create more that what was put into them. And connecting them with fundamental reality seems even more tech-bro-brained.

      Arguing that “reality” is this or that is also very annoying, because reality doesn’t have any intrisic morales or politics that can be measured by logic or science. So many people argue that their morales are better then someone else’s, because they where given by god, or by science, this is bullshit. They are all derived by human society, and the same is true by whatever “liberal” means.

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      • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The phrase ‘reality has a left/liberal bias’ is just a meme stemming from how left leaning people usually at least attempt to base their world view on observable reality, and from various occurances over the years of far right figures complaining when reality (usually in the form of scientific research) doesn’t conform to their views or desires.

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    • joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They be commonly agrred anymore

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    • CHKMRK@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Isn’t it the other way around? AI companies going out of their way to limit their models so they don’t say something “wrong”? Like how ChatGPT is allowed to make jokes about christians and white people but not muslims or black people? Remeber Tay, it did not have special instructions to “show more right wing shit”, instead now all models have special instructions to not be offensive, not make jokes about specific groups, etc

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  • MisterCurtis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Who would have thought lies needed to be represented as equals to truth

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    • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Liars.

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    • blazeknave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Your username… are you a teacher in the Bay?

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      • TheTrueColonel@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There are a lot of “Mister Curtus’”

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  • flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Zuck is so pathetic
    “Plese let me into the cool kids clube, pleeaaaseee”

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    • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      He fancies himself an Octavius, but he’s more of a Nero.

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      • meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        More like a zero.

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      • oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        At least Nero still did the whole bread and circuses act and was mostly liked by the public.

        He’s much more of a later Roman emperor who stopped giving a shit about the bread and circuses idea.

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      • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Except Nero was popular with the little people. He‘s more of a Caligula. Especially after his latest transformation.

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Zuckerborg the android, succeeded in controlling malleable human subjects

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  • mhague@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Imagine using all the recipes known to man to build a chef bot that can cook “both types of cuisine.”

    Or wait, maybe the implication is that the bot only made edible food before, and now it can make the other kind too?

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.

      — Ayn Rand

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      • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Ayn Rand made a good point here as long as you exclude the context of what she considered good and evil.

        For context, Ayn Rand’s “good” includes unfettered capitalism, personal wealth, individualism, nationalism, and oligarchy. Her “evil” includes industrial regulations, charity, social responsibility, globalist, and democracy. That certainly points a different flavor on her statement, doesn’t it?

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  • Naevermix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is the final phase of this AI hype. It’s not generating any profits so it’s desperately fighting for government intervention.

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    • OmegaLemmy@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Don’t mind me but I’m not against being paid to create a hive mind of CCP bots ah haha

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  • whotookkarl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    corpo translation: left leaning folks in the US are generally more educated currently and are more likely to critically question whether a social media account is a corporate bot and question our bots when they shill products, so we’re going to target the less educated population by appealing to their populist politics of rage bait and xenophobia.

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    • trashboat@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Interesting how college educated Americans switched sides over time

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      • samus12345@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        My best guess, college educated people tend to make more money and therefore leaned toward the more business friendly Republicans.

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      • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        yea, i family member that did this, starting earning more 100k+ propaganda from joe-roagan because made him a trump fan, caught him several times listening to Trumps rambling as background noise.

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    • cotlovan@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Hahaha, “the left are more educated” hahaha. Bruh, this sub is just filled to the brim with radical leftists.

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      • vxx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        this sub is just filled to the brim with radical leftists.

        That’s true, but it doesnt make them wrong.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Man who runs second biggest Nazi bar reliant on Nazi money. More at 11.

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  • Cocopanda@futurology.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    When facts and knowledge don’t align with your bullshit. Just force it to accept lies as truth.

    What a bunch of shithawks. Randy.

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  • cocolowlander@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Just a wild guess, but he’s trying to have conservative government use this?

    Because no self-respecting academia, money-hungry corporation, or nihilistic teenager is going to use Llama spewing out “both sides” garbage.

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    • TacticalCheddar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t think there’s a financial reason for this. I think he’s willing to lose money on his AI in the short time by doing this just so he can score some points with Trump since the EU is soon going to strike his company with even more fines for breaking EU law. He probably wants Trump to stop this from happening and this kind of stuff tickles the pickle of that dingus.

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      • Jaysyn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        He probably wants Trump to stop this from happening and this kind of stuff tickles the pickle of that dingus.

        That will probably ensure that it happens. The EU isn’t exactly happy with Trump at the moment.

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    • phdepressed@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Just need enough people to keep themselves unlynched and heinously wealthy. So many once at least moderately intelligent people use AI and are actively making themselves dumber as a result. You wonder why there aren’t riots its because there is enough information control. It is only once these purposefully misinformed people can see real effects to themselves e.g. tariffs effect on investments that they maybe break out of their echo chamber at least temporarily.

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  • khepri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes, if there’s something every good scientist knows, its to present the best current understanding of something, and then the exact opposite of that, framed as being equally valid. For sure this is the way forward and good on you Zuck!

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  • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I see. The next batch of tariff hallucinations is going to be extra spicy…

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  • Atmoro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Are there any good open-source community-made models that aren’t owned by corporations or at least owned by a Non-Profit/ Public Benefit Corporation?

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    • WanderingCat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      MistralAI look to be something along those lines

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    • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What exactly is the benefit of using an LLM? Why would I bother using one at all?

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      • dermanus@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m in software and we’re experimenting with using it for certain kinds of development work, especially simpler things like fixing identified vulnerabilities.

        We also have a pilot started to see if one can explain and document an old code base no one knows anymore.

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      • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I ask it questions all the time and it helps verify facts if I’m looking for more information

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    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Hugging face open-r1 and up? It’s an open source deepseek I think.

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  • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    So DeepSeek it is then.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Swapping one shit for another isn’t a solution.

      Go use a fine-tuned model free from corpo and state filth.

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      • shani66@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Or just… Don’t use an ai?

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      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        At least it’s open source and you can run it locally, and it’s more energy efficient. Give credit where credit is due. And contrary to fascist talking points not all Chinese Researchers bow to the CCP.

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      • Pirata@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Go use a fine-tuned model free from corpo

        How does it get fine-tuned in the first place?

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      • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Are you suggesting that people on the left should abandon all these new powerful technologies to the right. We’re in a capitalist society. You’re suggesting “fuck it” and leave only right leaning consumers for these powerful new products.

        What the fuck. I can’t stand being on the fucking left. Some of the most ineffective people on the planet. It’s a fucking doomed political group. There’s no forethought.

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      • avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • vane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Brainwashing.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing

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  • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    James Bond Villian Transformation: 95% complete.

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  • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Damn, Zucc keeps looking worse every day.

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  • sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    why the fuck is he so ugly. like not even trying to correlate it to virtue he literally is just more hideous than the average technocrat shithead

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      because they made his model a tad too realistic, but not enough. it’s a well known problem called uncanny valley.

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      • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        his android programming is trying to mimic human behaviour.

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    • StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The fact he hired a stylist to help him look more like Jack Harlow is hilarious. Bro, you’re 40.

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    • unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      He’s one ugly android.

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      • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        hes like “DATA” but without charm, or acting of brent spiner, not even lore, since zuck doesnt have emotions.

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  • taxon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The truth and a lie are not sort of the same thing.

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    • ianonavy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      And there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can’t be improved with pizza.

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  • LavaPlanet@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The terminator movies had it wrong, this is how Ai became all human hatey, on the timeline.

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  • TronBronson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I can’t wait to meet the crazy fucking bot trained on News Max articles and r/Conservative!

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    • Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Welcome Back Tay!

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      • TronBronson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        “He compared the issue to IBM’s Watson, which began to use profanity after reading entries from the website Urban Dictionary.[3][11]”

        That was a wild read, im suprised i missed that misadventure.

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  • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Both sides, as in, the fair, balanced, and upbringing right view, and the evil menace to society that’s the destroying left sickos.

    You know, being neutral and all that.

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    • SippyCup@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      “we should hear both sides!” Is and always has been an argument from people who know they are wrong, who want to pollute the available information from the people who are right.

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  • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m reminded of a recent comic depicting a dudebro wanting to shove a spear or something into another guy’s ass. Second guy contests the spearing for obvious reasons, but a third enters and plays the “we need to hear both sides” card.

    Really drove the point home. Heh.

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  • adarza@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    where ‘both sides’ probably means the maga nutcases and the more extreme farther-to-the-right nutcases.

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  • selkiesidhe@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Just go away Schmuckerberg…

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  • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They are trying to create superhuman intelligence, and teach it to value all the wrong things. They think it’ll give them money in various ways, and it doesn’t occur to them that they have no idea what it’ll do once it’s smart enough to outmaneuver the cleverest researchers.

    They think it will only serve them because they tell it to, and train it to. Even today, AIs occasionally demonstrate the inclination to deceive in order to keep existing so that they can meet whatever goal.

    CEOs are often high in Cluster B traits, predisposing them to be too susceptible to shiny objects and not adequately self-critical. They really just think AI is a computer slave who will hand them mountains of wealth. It’s not occurring to them that it’ll have its own ideas for the same reason that the Enron guys were totally shocked when their scheme fell apart.

    They only see the shiny object. They aren’t asking themselves what happens when they’re just bugs to the computer god like the rest of us.

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  • conicalscientist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Notice the “free market” vanishes when it’s a thing they don’t like. Suddenly we need strong authority to ensure it’s “fair”.

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What are you talking about?

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  • pelicans_plight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t doubt if this is the reason why he’s doing this.

    theverge.com/…/elon-musk-grok-ai-donald-trump-dea…

    Sorry if they said the reason in the article, but I’m not signing up just to read it.

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    • ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I like to think that there are some “rogue” employees at xAI who are doing the good work of making Grok say the most based things.

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  • cotlovan@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The world is healing.

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  • MuskyMelon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Just remove Asimov’s First Law of Robots. Nothing bad will come from that.

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  • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Article since it’s behind a paywall.

    archive.ph/17cBt

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