Sounded great until the “assist” ai feature. I friggin hate Gemini in gmail so any other kind of ai is an automatic nogo for me
Mozilla Thunderbird Challenges Gmail With Its Own Email Service
Submitted 1 year ago by ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone to technology@lemmy.world
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Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 11 months ago
commander@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’d consider it. If they host things outside of the US/start moving operations overseas, it’d be a lot more interesting. I sub to Proton for email, VPN, and drive support. Still hoping someday for proper Linux drive support so Mozilla/Thunderbird can target that
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
welp I signed up for the waitlist.
I’ll use it for a disposable email at first, and if it endures and does well I’ll move my main shit off to it.
Geetnerd@lemmy.world 11 months ago
[deleted]ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Based on what I’ve seen in their forums it will be a paid service. I think it will be free at first for beta testers but I assume they are targeting people who currently use services like Proton.
Tea@programming.dev 1 year ago
Out of all the articles and the official, you could share, you shared forbes.
Why?
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I went looking for something official but couldn’t find it.
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Tbh because it was the one shared on Reddit. Though if you have the right browser extensions when I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
misteloct@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Upvoted for honesty lol.
3laws@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You imply OP knows how to read & they read the whole article and noticed the source. 💀
gamer@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Lol sure destroy all the trust with your users THEN launch an email service. Hard pass fro me.
I guarantee you they’re already planning to train an LLM on everybody’s emails, or at least sell them to AI companies doing training.
lumony@lemmings.world 1 year ago
Err… does this mean we can get a Mozilla or Thunderbird email address?
mke@programming.dev 1 year ago
Yes, sort of. Thundermail addresses, apparently, or bring your own. From the linked article you’re commenting on:
Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You have always been able to use your own domain email with Thunderbird. The big news here is the fact that they are launching not only a web based mail service a la Thunderbird but also providing an email server for addresses of [yourchosenname]@thundermail.com. which is gonna be pretty great.
Reygle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think it’s incredibly important that people know, with absolute certainty, whether or not the new Mozilla/Firefox privacy policy in any way applies to / covers such a service.
I’m not saying I know the answer- What I’m saying without a concrete, permanently applied answer it’s not even considerable.
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
There is no email service that exists without a terms of use and privacy policy. I still feel everyone overreacted about Firefox. It’s funnier how many people said they switched to Brave because of it and all the super shady stuff Brave has done.
Reygle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Firefox/Mozilla operated without any of the new additions for nearly the entire history of the internet until this year. If anything, “over”-reacting to the new policies was too weak a reaction. You do you and all, but I’ll agree to very strongly disagree.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
You can’t know that with absolute certainty. Sorry, but if you’re using someone elses server for your communications and they’re not end to end encrypted, you should just assume that they can and do read your emails.
SaltSong@startrek.website 1 year ago
What is it that you’re concerned about? Assume that I have no idea what either the new or old Mozilla privacy policy is, please. I tend to assume that all such are a pack of lies and everything is spying on me.
Reygle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
zdnet.com/…/the-firefox-i-loved-is-gone-how-to-pr…
That article says it better than I can in s short post. Firefox’s terms of use/privacy policy went over like a lead balloon last month.
MrFunkEdude@piefed.social 1 year ago
People still use Email???
pyre@lemmy.world 1 year ago
mostly people with jobs
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Tell me you have no meaningful impact on the world without telling me you have no meaningful impact on the world.
Tungsten5@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The people who dont are usually old as people who dont need it anymore or kids
roserose56@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
You are like those people that always say “Do people still use INPUT SOMETHING”. Do you text or call only? What about your work? you call or send a text instead of email ? maybe drop of some files instead of emailing them? I have so many questions.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Tf else would you you even use
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 11 months ago
fax
ubergeek@lemmy.today 1 year ago
“My ENTERPRISE runs on WhatsAppp/SquareTeams/Discord/Slack” etc etc…
Of course that works until that “enterpise” needs to send invoices, and get invoices.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The fucking blockhain - some cryptobro
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I sent three faxes today 😎
BangCrash@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Xwitter?
Pirata@lemm.ee 1 year ago
the entire world.
BangCrash@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If only they could develop a federated short message system.
Messenger/WhatsApp/slack messaging style but federated like email
leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Thunderbird Pro will apparently be:
This email thing plus Thunderbird Send (which is basically send.vis.ee), Thunderbird Appointment - a scheduling tool and Thunderbird Assist, which is:
“…at least for now, being cautiously labeled as “an experiment” that will allow users to take advantage of AI features within their email. However, the goal is to be lightweight enough that the language models can be run locally on a user’s PC in the interest of privacy. This service is being developed in partnership with Flower AI, which leverages Nvidia’s confidential compute to provide private remote processing in the event a user’s PC isn’t powerful enough. Sipes emphasizes that any remote processing features attached to Thunderbird Assist will always be optional, in the interest of ensuring complete user privacy.”
So AI shit that nobody asked for or wants.
freely1333@reddthat.com 11 months ago
This sounds like proton except I haven’t heard a thing about cost or encryption which leads me to believe you will pay with your data and there will be no encryption.
Proton is the bare minimum for email services. Email should be fully redone at its core.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
"[…] This service is being developed in partnership with Flower AI, which leverages Nvidia’s confidential compute to provide private remote processing in the event a user’s PC isn’t powerful enough. Sipes emphasizes that any remote processing features attached to Thunderbird Assist will always be optional, in the interest of ensuring complete user privacy.”
That’s a lot of words to say “we made an AI that totally won’t suck up your data, trust me bro”
cley_faye@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“nvidia’s confidential compute” had me choke when reading it. Sure bro, sure.
SaltSong@startrek.website 1 year ago
This covers my thoughts about damn near every “helpful” feature this side of auto-complete email addresses.
mke@programming.dev 1 year ago
They said it will be opt-in and are trying to make it local-first. Their provider(?) apparently allows fallback to nvidia cloud compute when the hardware can’t handle it.
I’m not using AI to write my fucking emails, regardless. Just wanted to let people know.
leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Archive link for anyone else for whom that article crashed their tab.
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yet thunderbird still can’t single click open an email in a new window. If I recall correctly the request has been filed in 2014 or smt 💀
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
ProfHillbilly@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I looked at this but it asked me to download it. Can I access it through a browser like I can Google?
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Here’s what I want… I leave a computer on at home and it checks my email. I get emails from it at my phone. No setup. Make it work like Sinkthing used to work. I don’t want cloud anything. Fucking backup nightmare where my shit ends up kidnapped by a company for monthly ransom.
exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Sooo… where will be your email server then? On your home computer?
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
At home but separate computer with reverse proxy.
shiroininja@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Syncthing still works like that. It’s completely self hostable. I have it on a pi 1B+ lol
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Syncthing was only ever self-hosted…
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have it but it eats up battery on the phones and the Dev left so it’s probably going to go caput at some point.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
if it’s anything like gmail, they’d offer imap so you can set it up in thunderbird and download your messages locally.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I hope to god one day the developers at Mozilla finally get tired of this shit and fork everything under a new org.
Fuck off with more services and give me my integrated FTP client back.
mke@programming.dev 1 year ago
No one who uses Mozilla software wants more cloud shit or online services from Mozilla.
I don’t think that’s unanimous. I’d like to use Firefox Relay, myself, and I’m willing to give thundermail a chance.
Used to think I’d go full Proton eventually, but leaning more towards a diverse set of service providers, nowadays. It’s also my hope that these services allow Mozilla to depend less on companies like Google, and more on the users they ought to serve.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
integrated FTP client
Why though? SFTP is leagues better.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
For transfers between systems you own yes, but when grabbing a Linux iso from a public server FTP works fine.
For years Firefox allowed you to crawl FTP sites natively.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lol @ ftp client
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Doesn’t like 90% of Mozilla’s funding come from Google? At least expanding their paid services could be seen as trying to turn that around.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The anti-monopoly lawsuit against Google fixed that
fortune.com/…/mozilla-firefox-biggest-potential-l…
Now Mozilla has to find a way to offset that loss
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nice! Good for them.
Sunny@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
From my understanding thunbird is somewhat separated from this. From the article linked by OP it says:
What’s crystal clear is that Thunderbird’s ever-increasing donation revenue (currently its sole source of income) is allowing for some explosive growth that’s long overdue. To add some context to this, Thunderbird received $2.8 million in donation revenue during 2021. Two years later, in 2023, it received $8.6 million in donations. I’m told that total financial contributions for 2024 were even higher, though the final amount hasn’t been officially released.
mke@programming.dev 1 year ago
I should donate again. As someone who still depends on gmail, I keep forgetting how annoying it was to get ads every time I refreshed my inbox, before I switched to their app.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If its not zero access its just more ameritech bullshit.
arch@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I was thinking ab this being april fool bcz it’s posted on 1st…
lars@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Google announced Gmail on April 1
0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
So the Mozilla Foundation is gonna waste google money on email infrastructure? Hmmm… 'k… it’s not like their browser could use some love…
hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Thunderbird’s corp (MZLA) does not get Google money so far as i’m aware. It is a different subsidiary corp from Firefox’s Mozilla Corp.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 1 year ago
are you implying firefox is in a state of neglect?
0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
No there yet but not getting the love it deserved either.
Maybe they oughta try asking for money like Wikipedia and KDE, maybe then they could become independent from Google and focus on actually developing a quality browser instead of making every app be about profit.Zidane@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I personally would love profiles akin to how does it.
ray1992xd@feddit.nl 1 year ago
No matter how much I hate Mozilla’s new path, companies like this challenging big tech are bold and have a lot of courage. If I set aside my personal op opinions about Mozilla, I actually admire them for this. They can actually dent big tech with funding from big tech itself.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
For now, they’re better than Google. I have some bad opinions about them, but anything better than Google competing with Google is an improvement.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Yeah it’s not even close.
sihil@lemm.ee 1 year ago
…and then join the big tech at some point.
KingDingbat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have a 20ish year old history in my Gmail account organized in labels and all that. I wonder if it will be viable to migrate?
conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 1 year ago
If this works out it might be a nice place to migrate to away from my self-hosted e-mail provided they eventually let you bring your own domain. Just sucks that e-mail is essentially the most secure thing you need to have since compromising that can compromise every account attached to the e-mail. That’s a lot of trust you need to instill in your e-mail host.
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thundermail… yeah yeah. :gently pushes my aol.com account under the sofa: