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GM blocks dealership from installing Apple CarPlay retrofit kits in EVs

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨cm0002@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.theverge.com/news/633791/gm-apple-carplay-retrofit-shut-down

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  • BossDj@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They’re all preparing to remove choice as we start to lose competition due to Trump Economy

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Fuck Trump, but this one is a bipartisan effort that has been ongoing since the Clinton administration accelerated the deregulation train. There has also been very little action towards anti-competitive practices for a very long time.

      Don’t get suckered into a red vs blue mindset here. This is a battle against corporate and billionaire abuse of power.

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      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        There has also been very little action towards anti-competitive practices for a very long time.

        Obama establishing the CFPB was a pretty big win for Americans.

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  • Walican132@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It’s silly but I have no interest in buying or driving cars that don’t support CarPlay. I’m used to it. It is safer for me to drive with a gps/voice control system I am used to. When I’ve had to rent cars that don’t support it it has been awful.

    I would feel the same if I was an android user with Android auto.

    I do not think every car needs their own system when one’s based on the devices we already use exist. Pisses me off.

    I also wish someone would make a base model style EV I don’t need all these stupid extra features. I recently test drove a VW EV and wasn’t amused with the RGB door lighting. What a waste of money. I just want a vehicle to get from A to B.

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    • spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Ironically, the Chevy Bolt was a perfect car for that. Reasonably priced, no stupid gizmos like retracting door handles, Android Auto, actual buttons for controls… But of course GM killed it. A new version should come out eventually, but who knows if it’ll keep the spirit of their old Bolts. For now, the used market hit the sweet spot where it’s still a pretty modern car, but it’s gone through most of its depreciation from new so it’s pretty cheap. Especially with the tax credit.

      Full disclosure: DC fast charging sucks on this car. On some pre-2022 models it’s non-existent. But it’s still excellent for commuting and medium-short trips!

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      • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I freaking loved my Bolt. I was planning to get another before I started construction and needed a truck. Then I was planning to get a Bolt after this truck since I wouldn’t need it anymore, but they killed it.

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    • ramble81@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Frankly CarPlay and Android Auto suck in my opinion compared to iDrive 7 on my BMW.

      But… that being said, I do support choice. I wouldn’t even consider a car that doesn’t allow CP/AA as I think it should be up to the consumer to pick which one they want to use.

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      • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The Nav system on my Audi Q7 BLOWS compared to Android Auto. It can’t seem to understand a damn thing I say.

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    • GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’ve been thinking of starting an ev retrofit company for very common cars/platforms. Drop out the drivetrain/fuel system. Install all the necessary replacement bits, and addons for a/c, heat, etc. Piggyback some kind of system so traction control doesn’t have an aneurism and make the gauges work right. I would need to find a reliable source for batteries and motors.

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      • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Edison Motors is doing that in Canada for light duty trucks. I don’t think there’s much of a market for it outside that considering the insane amount of labor costs you’d encounter trying to retrofit a vehicle. Best to either sell the kits to DIYers or find those few unicorn buyers who’d be willing to hand you $100k-$200k for 6-12 months worth of labor on a one-off vehicle.

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    • wfh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      That’s what I love about my ‘23 Yaris. The entertainment system is basically a radio and hybrid telemetry. Everything else is CarPlay/Android Auto. No shitty outdated maps, no 90’-style MP3 player…

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    • tacofox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Ironically enough those RGB lights that cost Pennies are there to distract you from the fact that the cars themselves have been made of cheaper and crappier parts. Of course they still charge you more, but they are not adding to the price as much as you’d think.

      My 2017 golf alltrack SEL is much higher quality than the 2020 Tiguan, and even better than the 2024 R-Line SEL Tiguan that my parter owns. The seats for example are not even close to as comfortable as mine. 2020 was a real fall off point because of Covid and they haven’t gone back to prioritizing quality.

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      • Walican132@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Oh I agree so much. I’ve had 3 VW tiguans and they’ve progrssively gotten worse in quality. (Leases an 18 ,20, and now 24) each time the lease early buy back offer worked heavily in my favor and I am no longer in a position in life where I need to lease a vehicle so this 24 will be the last lease, but honestly my last VW as well.

        On the topic of those dumb lights. The dealership I was at had a “price breakdown” for features and claimed those lights ‘only’ added 5 dollars a month to the monthly payment. I mean I know car dealerships will do everything for a penny but that just set me off.

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  • dan@upvote.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    IMO cars that have their own infotainment system should also allow Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Give the user a choice. Collect metrics about how many people use Android Auto / CarPlay vs the native infotainment system. Get people to use the native infotainment because it’s better, not because you force them to.

    I’ve got a BMW iX and the in-built map is very good, but I like knowing that I can switch to Android Auto if I encounter issues with it.

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    • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yeah but if you allow people to choose, you can’t force them to use your apps and buy within your walled garden.

      You’re missing out on all that revenue.

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      • dan@upvote.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That’s true and I hate it. I miss the older days of the internet when protocols were mostly open and people were more focused on collaboration and interoperability.

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  • InFerNo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Why can’t it just work like a dock for any device? Why does it have to be carplay or android auto with locked down protocols?

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    • Schorsch@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Because of ✨capitalism✨.

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      • futatorius@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        It’s an anticompetitive practice, that’s why.

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I ran into this with my 2013 Kia Sorento ICE (which was subsequently totalled. :( )

    When you replace the on-board infotainment system, there’s an interoperability package that has to be installed to make sure the existing functions of the vehicle continue to work.

    Think of it like a translation layer, everything on the dashboard that went through the old system, has to be hooked up to the new system. Also complicated by steering wheel controls.

    When it was all said and done, I had the full array of cameras that I wanted (turn signal cameras are amazing!) and everything worked…

    Except the one little button that changed the interior lighting. It was forever stuck on red.

    Now, for an EV, it’s essential everything work properly. I can totally see GM shutting that down.

    This is kind of like the complaint about EVs not having AM radios… yeah, there’s a reason for that!

    autosinnovate.org/…/not-cheap-a-3.8-billion-fix-f…

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    • pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Putting your vehicle main control inside the head unit is absurd to begin with.

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      • ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Right, not sure why the steering wheel controls would even come into play. Android auto and Apple car play units from 2014 that I bought can directly accept the industry standard steering wheel controls cars use. I was able to use this stereo in a Honda from 06 and a Subaru from 2015. There are also wireless adapters for cars that didn’t have the feature from the factory. If it broke it was a conscious decision.

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    • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I got the head unit changed in my Subaru . In the Subaru, the systems that the Head Unit controls (entertainment system, backup cam, Sat NAV) are totally separate from critical systems. So everything the head unit controls can fail and the car will still work.

      And you’re right, there’s an interface/translation layer . In my case the guy used an iDataLink Maestro. It seems the only thing the iDataLink company does provide interfaces that allow head units to talk to car computers, so that the Head unit manufacturers don’t have to bother.

      I’m not sure such separation is common in EVs.

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    • Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      In their case they’re using a variant of Google for automotive, so enabling apple carplay and android auto is literally a checkbox on GM side

      They’re doing extra work to disable it because they want to render the car worthless when after a few years when the os is outdated and the user doesn’t pay a subscription for maps

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  • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I discovered a simple upgrade for the infotainment systems in most cars. The screens work perfectly well with either suction or adhesive-mount phone holders.

    Even the shittiest phone is a major upgrade compared to any built-in infotainment system.

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  • MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Don’t buy cars like this, that’s the only thing that will help.

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    • scytale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      And considering it’s GM, it’s not really hard to avoid buying them when there are better options.

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  • AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t even consider buying a car because of their policy around car play. Won’t even look at it.

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  • Hux@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Don’t you dare give consumers what they want.

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  • tacofox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Slightly related. Wtf happened to the Apple CarPlay 2.0 thing that was supposed to fully integrate into the center console and digital dashboard screens that would allow the in-built UI to be overridden completely?

    techradar.com/…/carplay-2-is-officially-delayed-b…

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      From an engineer at one of the legacy car manufacturers, they don’t want CarPlay 2 because it has privacy controls. They don’t want to give up so much access to the car, then have to access it over Apple APIs limited by privacy controls

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      • tacofox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I came to this conclusion shortly after posting this. Thanks for the confirmation.

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    • muusemuuse@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Manufacturers are contemplating how to win back control over the UI of their vehicles. They remain completely oblivious to why CarPlay succeeded in the first place.

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    • Xatolos@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Possibly the fact many customers don’t want it. According to three Apple CarPlay site:

      With digital car keys and the already seamless experience of Apple CarPlay, there are more ways than ever to take your iPhone on the road. With car keys, you can unlock and start your car with iPhone. And CarPlay gives you the ability to safely use what you love about your iPhone while you drive.

      I don’t have an iPhone, so from all the marketing blurbs, it’s pretty much saying “Spend a ton of extra money for something you can never use.” I’ll pass on spending $1000+ on that useless"upgrade". And since Apple is notorious about locking iThings to Apple only hardware (or just not having full functionality when they do allow it), I doubt I’m alone in this thought.

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      • tacofox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Interesting pov. Thanks for sharing!

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      www.astonmartin.com/en-us/models/db12

      I think, it is in this car

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      • Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That settles it then, I’m getting an Aston (like I needed more reasons to lust after them haha).

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  • Cocopanda@futurology.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Bought a 2015 mustang and had to upgrade the Sync2 to Sync3 for about $1300. That’s when CarPlay was capable with Sync3. Made the car a thousand times better.

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  • j4yt33@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Why would you want an infotainment system in your car? I don’t get it. All I want when I’m driving is navigation and music/podcast, and I can just use my phone for both

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  • Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Frankly I would like to not use Apple CarPlay / Android Auto — however, the built in software needs to actually usable and continuously updated.

    I particularly want to see better non-touch input. Rotary dial + buttons à la Mazda, and much better voice input. I live in a multilingual region, and it consequently renders most in-built navigation voice commands useless, as it won’t understand language switching. Even Google assitant has issues with this despite supporting multiple input languages, usually resulting in me saying the entire command in the same language as the address. (Or just giving up if the name and street are in two languages).

    But with built in systems that only support one language at a time, I just can’t say some of the addresses since I don’t know how it wants me to mispronounce them in English.

    I also have found media playback frustrating in any modern vehicle. This is likely a lot harder to solve, but the inability to switch playlists or change playback settings without my phone connected to Android Auto is frustrating when in vehicles without it.

    I know this is very ranty and not that big of a deal, it’s just frustrating seeing so little progress in the past decade on this front — and in some aspects like human interface design of vehicles, they have frankly regressed. If I look at the voice input systems on cars from 15-20 years ago there has been huge improvement, but even 10 years ago to now it doesn’t feel that different. Maybe a few new commands, but the quality of recognition / utility of the system is lacking.

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    • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      continuously updated

      Hahaha… hahahahahahahaha

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      • simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Some of the newer auto manufacturers do that. Telsa, Rivian, etc. Those companies all have good in-house software developers. Almost everyone else farms this stuff out, which is why it’s never updated.

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    • adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Media playback is easy: find the line in jack hidden away somewhere. Plug phone into it. Ignore infotainment console.

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  • vane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Does all EV require destination for battery preconditioning ? If so EV have kind of spying as a feature.

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    • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      No.

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