Kagi search engine now has a Fediverse search option.

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• anonvurr@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Cool, but I will still prefer to use duckduckgo and type Lemmy in the end of my query.

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• Jallu@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If someone is interested about Kagi vs Google (made by Kagi): https://mastodon.social/@kagihq/113971972586118949

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• Sunshine@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Kagi is shaping up to be really cool with this and the Orion browser supporting firefox/chrome extensions on ios.

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• JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think when I tried them out a while back they also had a usenet search? Can anyone clarify on this?

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  • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They do.

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    • JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not sure if you use that feature but does it work like an indexer and allow direct downloads of “Linux isos”?

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• MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Imagine if someone added that feature to SearX/SearXNG

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  • lippiece@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There is one. Or maybe not just one.

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• Tuxophil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s nice indeed! Thanks for sharing.

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• wittycomputer@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The mandatory signing in to perform any search is a deal breaker. Privacy first

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  • jetsetdorito@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They have a system for detaching your account info from searches now

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  • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

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  • shortrounddev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s because you have to pay for the search engine. They dont serve ads

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  • ehballah@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Feel like you’re jumping the gun a bit with this opinion. Kagi is one of the best options if you prioritize privacy. Have a closer look at their policies.

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    • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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• Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think brave let’s you do the same thing with their goggles feature which let’s users make custom search filters. I could be mistaken though

  (and yes I know Brave as a company comes with baggage. Pretty much all of the search options do unfortunately :/)

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  • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How is Firefox’s baggage anywhere close to homophobia and a crypto scam

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    • Cris_Color@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Firefox isn’t a search engine…? I’m talking about Brave search, not the browser, I have exactly zero reasons to use Brave browser lol 😅

      Brave the company sucks, but most of the alternative/private search engines suck and/or are just a meta search. Brave search performs more competitively with google than most, and isn’t dependent on google or Microsoft continuing to allow other engines to use their results

      From what I understand kagi has some issues too, but not as much baggage as brave has. Brave has a lot 😅

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• MoonlightFox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just came across d-shoot.net/kagi.html . Seems like there are more good reasons to avoid it besides it also using Yandex as an index.

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  • capital@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I encourage subscribers to go make themselves heard on this post if you support being able to disable particular indexes such as Yandex.

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  • Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thanks for the link, I’ll def be more critical about it in the future.

    I’ll still use it (for now) because as a no-nonsense customizable search engine its by far the best I’ve tried.

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’re definitely stretching themselves too thin, but as long as I get better and more relevant, cleaner, no advertising search results for my knowledge work and research. With my privacy in tact.

    Then I’m continuing to pay them for a product I find to be superior than the alternatives.

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  • clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Eh, doesn’t discouraged me from using em. For me is them or Google. As those are the only two useable engines for my type of surfing.

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• pigeonholedpoetry@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It always had this.

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• PokerChips@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why can’t it just be automatic?

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  • aido@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Kagi lets you prioritize/demote/block per-domain but that’s a separate feature

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  • smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Kagi lenses “focus” the search. So normal web search definitely can contain fediverse results, but with the lens switched on, you ONLY get fediverse results.

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    • PokerChips@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks. This is good to know.

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• aeharding@vger.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I use the Kagi forum toggle so. much.

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• Baguette@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Does anyone else’s search on lemmy actually work as expected? I feel like it never finds anything really relevant. I can search for audio interfaces for example and all the first results are about software in general and not actually the hardware component.

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We learned a lot of lessons from the first one. Here’s hoping we don’t make the same mistakes.

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• noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s had it for at least months but even if its years old it’s still a cool feature and deserves attention

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• KeefChief13@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Been using this for a month or so its nice

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Does it work on lemmy content too?

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    • KeefChief13@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah big time

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    • pjusk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes it does! :)

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      ive been finding lemmy content on duckduckgo and other engines for a while now. havent tried kagi tho so cant answer your question.

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• Glitchvid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve been using Kagi for the last year+.

  Personally, I wish they’d tone down the AI stuff that ruined Google, but at least you can turn most of it off.

  Their results are okay, a little better than Bing, but obviously they’re limited by their existing index providers, I wish they’d run their own spiders and crawl for their own data, since I think Bing fails on a lot of coverage of obscure websites.

  In general I find the weighting of modern indexes to be subpar, though the SEO industry has made it a hard problem to tackle, I wish more small websites and forums were higher ranked, and AI slop significantly de rated.

  TW: Self harm

  Also not a huge fan of the company and a lot of it’s ardent customers, who heavily protested a suicide prevention popup if you used it to searched for how to kill yourself.

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  • morrowind@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Kagi has multiple indexes of their own

    And the AI stuff is all opt on from what I can tell. I’ve never gotten any AI thing except when I asked for it

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    • Glitchvid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They have smallweb and news indexing, but other than that AFAICT they rely completely on other providers. Which is a shame, Google allows submitting sites for indexing and notifies if they can’t.

      Running a scraper doesn’t need to cover everything since they have access to other indexes, but they really should be developing that ability instead of relying on Bing and other providers to provide good results, or results at all.

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  • targetx@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Have you tried the small web lens? They run their own index specifically to help surface the content you mention is hard to find by default.

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    • Glitchvid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Small web always returns 0 results for anything that isn’t extremely broad, unfortunately.

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• MoonlightFox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Obligatory mention that Kagi also use the Russian search index Yandex. This aids the Russian economy and the Russian war effort.

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  • ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    When does anti Russian gov aggression just become racism? Does using Google aid the war in Palestine?

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    • MoonlightFox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I see your point, but I think there is a meaningful difference.

      Russia started a war with a peaceful nation. It is in no way, shape or form a provoked war.

      There are a couple of ways you can react to hurt the agressor. With the goal of making them stop hurting the innocent. Military action is one, economic is another.

      Most European countries have decided to hurt them economically. As a European I agree with this, and fully support it. I try my best not to support the Russian economy. If Russia as a country changes in the future, my view will probably change as well. This is a war that Putin started.

      That said, I believe the support from the US to Israel was wrong. The US has been supporting genocide. One could argue that supporting the US economy supports these sorts of actions as well. However, the scale is important and how much involvement is important.

      If you had mentioned an Israeli company, I would agree 100%. The difference is that the US have not been spending 1/4 to 1/3 of their entire fiscal budget fighting a peaceful democratic nation as the agressor.

      Anyways, at this point I am kinda mad at the US for being a unreliable partner and going to trade war with Europe and bailing in their responsibilities when it comes to the war in Ukraine and creating uncertajnty within NATO, threatening nations etc, anyways. So not spending a lot of money on US goods and services at the moment either no.

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Every single time with red comes up there’s always this FUD.

    Why?

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Paying Yandex is a deal breaker for me. As much as Yandex may want to be independent, they cannot be because of the country they’re based in. With the way things are going, the same may be true of Google and Kagi itself somewhere within the next four years.

      Kagi defends itself by saying it’s “only used 2% of the time” which would make a better argument that turning off the feature to distance themselves from Russia has little impact than a defence for working with them. There’s also the “but we’ve always done it like this” defence and something about “providing the best results” but neither are great arguments.

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    • MoonlightFox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have been sick a lot lately, so have had a lot of time on my hands. I don’t have a search for Kagi or something. I wanted to use Kagi though, so I was disappointed when I realized that they want to continue this practice.

      What are you implying with it being suspicious? In what way?

      **If Kagi pays a Russian company for a service, that company pays taxes to the Russian government.

      Russia spends 32% of its budget on the Russian military. So for every dollar they get in taxes, one third is spent on the Russian military.

      With a corporate tax rate of 20% that means 6.4% of Yandex profits go to the military. Since Kagi is mainly a paid service, I don’t want my money to go to the Russian military, and I guess a lot of other people don’t want this either**.

      reuters.com/…/russia-hikes-national-defence-spend…

      The Russian people are not to blame, and I am sure a lot of great people work at Yandex and at different companies in Russia. That said, Russia chose to attack a peaceful democratic country, they are currently sanctioned by a lot of western countries in hopes that it will pressure their economy enough to force them to stop the war.

      There isn’t much we can do to stop the conflict besides hurting them economically and supporting Ukraine. If we continue to use Russian products and services then that does not work. Unfortunately this affects everyone in Russia.

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  • noodlejetski@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    and Brave, too.

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  • clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Source?

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    • noodlejetski@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      kagifeedback.org/…/5445-reconsider-yandex-integra…

      …kittywi.re/…/psa_the_kagi_search_engine_directly…

      kagi.com/changelog#5340

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    • TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Best I can find links a sweedish page on the topic

      fedia.io/m/privacy@lemmy.ml/t/1334785

      It’s kind of odd I can’t find more sources which does make me a bit skeptical

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    • Xanthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      kagifeedback.org/…/5445-reconsider-yandex-integra…

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• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is Kagi big? If they are, does this mean we’ll see an influx of users from this?

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  • fristislurper@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In the order of 40000 people, so pretty tiny compared to the big search engines.

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  • datendefekt@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not really. I was quite surprised when they recently celebrated 40k users.

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• sinceasdf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Makes sense they advertise here enough

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  • noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    you see ads on Lemmy?

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    • sinceasdf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I tend to be suspicious of any brand name dropping. It’s where most reddit advertising happens too.

      old.reddit.com/…/commenting_as_a_social_media_str…

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What advertising?

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not sure they do at all. There are just a bunch of Kagi users here.

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    • sinceasdf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean the idea is to appear organic, it’s not very effective advertising otherwise. It’s free real estate there is no reason they would not be doing it.

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• phillycodehound@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Neat feature. Any word on if Kagi has ties to the Kremlin?

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  • BendingHawk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you’re worried about Kagi’s connections, I recommend checking out this podcast with the CEO

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    • phillycodehound@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Will check that out? Thanks!!!

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  • MoonlightFox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have no idea, but they amongst other indexes use the index from the Russian company Yandex

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  • refreeze@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Its an American company so I suppose it is possible.

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• paequ2@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Oooooooh. Kagi added this lens! Since you can add custom lenses, I thought I added this to my own account. Cool!

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• kibiz0r@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve been using Kagi for about a month now, and I think I’m gonna stick with it. Paying with dollars instead of data/attention feels more healthy for everyone involved.

  (Fully realizing, of course, that there’s nothing stopping them from doing both, and that’s why we need better laws and voting with your wallet will never be a complete solution… but it is something I can do right now.)

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  • sudneo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Since they implemented privacy pass, there is now something stopping them from doing both. See help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

    Obviously with it you trade the need to trust them for your own personalization (as they can’t know it was you searching).

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Funny how the tech space is hyped up about privacy pass when Kagi implemented it, but got outraged when Cloudflare worked with Apple to try to use it as a CAPTCHA alternative.

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    • kibiz0r@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A very reassuring technology to have!

      But my worry was more about them changing their business model once they get big enough.

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  • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have been on it for about a year and I have no complaints.

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• cyborganism@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Cool. Wish more search engines would do that.

  But, as far as Kagi goes, it’s a paid service and it’s an American company. So I won’t be using them.

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