I apologize if this is old news, but I just noticed it. It looks like Kagi has added Fediverse Forums as the default Web search.
If someone is interested about Kagi vs Google (made by Kagi): https://mastodon.social/@kagihq/113971972586118949
Kagi search engine now has a Fediverse search option.
Submitted 2 days ago by JoMiran@lemmy.ml to fediverse@lemmy.world
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Jallu@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Cool. Wish more search engines would do that.
But, as far as Kagi goes, it’s a paid service and it’s an American company. So I won’t be using them.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
What non-american search engine do you use?
queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I write questions on bathroom stalls and then check back in on them every few days.
denshi@discuss.tchncs.de 12 hours ago
metager.org is run by a German non-profit. Since late last year it’s pay to use because their advertising partner (Yahoo) cancelled their contract without warning. But it’s cheaper than Kagi. Also the non-profit is part of the project that’s building the European OpenWebIndex ( ows.eu ) that’s releasing this year.
SexDwarf@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
As a former Kagi user (quit all my US company subscriptions recently in order to support EU) I’ve now used Startpage for a month and it has been great so far.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Search engine? I started rawdoging urls a while ago.
The internet is increasingly more useless, the sites i really need are bookmarked anyway.
ericjmorey@discuss.online 2 days ago
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 day ago
I ask friends who are more intelligent than me
And if they don’t know I assume it is forbidden knowledge that would drive me mad to know
(I am only half joking)
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Startpage.com
Better than qwant in my opinion.
Wolfram@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not using Kagi because its an American company is valid. But people are too used to products that are free because they make the person using them the product. There is still a transaction with a free product.
Kagi is not free because they respect your privacy and don’t sell your data.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’d happily pay for search, but Kagi is way too expensive.
10 searches a day, for $5/month? (US)
Like, that is way too much.
I can receive thousands and send thousands of emails per day for that price. Is search really that much more expensive?
x00z@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I have donated €1500 to opensource software projects and paid a whopping €7 for software. These (privacy respecting) projects got my money because they weren’t transaction based. Capitalism is not the only way.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I don’t use them or never read their privacy policy so i don’t know. But it’s not because it’s a paid service that company won’t use your data to sell it for more profit. That’s EXTRA profit for them, so why the hell not. And them being based in the US means I already can’t trust them with their poor privacy laws.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
There are plenty of paid products that do not respect your privacy and sell your data.
And there’s free products that do respect your privacy and don’t make you the product. They are community products.
For instance I offer my bandwidth to thousands of strangers to share torrents and they do the same to me. No secondhand transactions happening.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
But people are too used to products that are free because they make the person using them the product.
That’s definitely one model for operating a public service, but its far from the only one.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Writing them off as an American company is totally valid, but I’m happy to pay for a quality service because it keeps ads out and lets me vote with my money. It’s really not much to cling to, psycologically but it helps. When I and others completely degoogle our lives it moves no needles at GoogHQ, but paying subscriber metrics are a KPI discussed in every board room in the world.
clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Lile they say, perfection is the enemy of privacy! Kagi has been the best as an engine out of all I’ve tried. If a better competitors comes up, I’ll give em my money.
ericjmorey@discuss.online 2 days ago
I’m not a fan of Kagi’s founder, so I generally don’t use it.
targetx@programming.dev 2 days ago
Any specific reasons? I’m a very happy Kagi user and the founder is active on their discord and seems like a really nice guy.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
heres to the painfully slow and gradual rebirth of the internet.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
We learned a lot of lessons from the first one. Here’s hoping we don’t make the same mistakes.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
lets see if federation can keep the hawks away. they will certainly be trying.
noxypaws@pawb.social 2 days ago
It’s had it for at least months but even if its years old it’s still a cool feature and deserves attention
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just came across d-shoot.net/kagi.html . Seems like there are more good reasons to avoid it besides it also using Yandex as an index.
capital@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Thanks for the link, I’ll def be more critical about it in the future.
I’ll still use it (for now) because as a no-nonsense customizable search engine its by far the best I’ve tried.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
They’re definitely stretching themselves too thin, but as long as I get better and more relevant, cleaner, no advertising search results for my knowledge work and research. With my privacy in tact.
Then I’m continuing to pay them for a product I find to be superior than the alternatives.
clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Eh, doesn’t discouraged me from using em. For me is them or Google. As those are the only two useable engines for my type of surfing.
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Kagi is shaping up to be really cool with this and the Orion browser supporting firefox/chrome extensions on ios.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 days ago
I’ve been using Kagi for about a month now, and I think I’m gonna stick with it. Paying with dollars instead of data/attention feels more healthy for everyone involved.
(Fully realizing, of course, that there’s nothing stopping them from doing both, and that’s why we need better laws and voting with your wallet will never be a complete solution… but it is something I can do right now.)
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I have been on it for about a year and I have no complaints.
sudneo@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Since they implemented privacy pass, there is now something stopping them from doing both. See help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html
Obviously with it you trade the need to trust them for your own personalization (as they can’t know it was you searching).
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 day ago
Funny how the tech space is hyped up about privacy pass when Kagi implemented it, but got outraged when Cloudflare worked with Apple to try to use it as a CAPTCHA alternative.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 1 day ago
A very reassuring technology to have!
But my worry was more about them changing their business model once they get big enough.
wittycomputer@feddit.org 1 day ago
The mandatory signing in to perform any search is a deal breaker. Privacy first
shortrounddev@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s because you have to pay for the search engine. They dont serve ads
ehballah@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Feel like you’re jumping the gun a bit with this opinion. Kagi is one of the best options if you prioritize privacy. Have a closer look at their policies.
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Policies can change, they’re for profit, and I’ve heard leadership may be right wing/trumpy but I can’t find clear evidence of it so I want count that against them at this point.
Either way subscriptions are you giving away your identity essentially. They have you, your name, your credit card, your address, your associated searches, there is a lot to consider here more than just “look at what they say.”
TL;DR: A lot of for profit companies say a lot of things. I am not anti-Kagi but you’re being very reductionist and ignoring valid concerns.
jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 18 hours ago
They have a system for detaching your account info from searches now
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’ve been using Kagi for the last year+.
Personally, I wish they’d tone down the AI stuff that ruined Google, but at least you can turn most of it off.
Their results are okay, a little better than Bing, but obviously they’re limited by their existing index providers, I wish they’d run their own spiders and crawl for their own data, since I think Bing fails on a lot of coverage of obscure websites.
In general I find the weighting of modern indexes to be subpar, though the SEO industry has made it a hard problem to tackle, I wish more small websites and forums were higher ranked, and AI slop significantly de rated.
TW: Self harm
Also not a huge fan of the company and a lot of it’s ardent customers, who heavily protested a suicide prevention popup if you used it to searched for how to kill yourself.
targetx@programming.dev 2 days ago
Have you tried the small web lens? They run their own index specifically to help surface the content you mention is hard to find by default.
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Small web always returns 0 results for anything that isn’t extremely broad, unfortunately.
morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Kagi has multiple indexes of their own
And the AI stuff is all opt on from what I can tell. I’ve never gotten any AI thing except when I asked for it
Glitchvid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They have smallweb and news indexing, but other than that AFAICT they rely completely on other providers. Which is a shame, Google allows submitting sites for indexing and notifies if they can’t.
Running a scraper doesn’t need to cover everything since they have access to other indexes, but they really should be developing that ability instead of relying on Bing and other providers to provide good results, or results at all.
KeefChief13@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Been using this for a month or so its nice
Valmond@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Does it work on lemmy content too?
KeefChief13@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah big time
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
ive been finding lemmy content on duckduckgo and other engines for a while now. havent tried kagi tho so cant answer your question.
pjusk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Yes it does! :)
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Obligatory mention that Kagi also use the Russian search index Yandex. This aids the Russian economy and the Russian war effort.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Every single time with red comes up there’s always this FUD.
Why?
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I have been sick a lot lately, so have had a lot of time on my hands. I don’t have a search for Kagi or something. I wanted to use Kagi though, so I was disappointed when I realized that they want to continue this practice.
What are you implying with it being suspicious? In what way?
**If Kagi pays a Russian company for a service, that company pays taxes to the Russian government.
Russia spends 32% of its budget on the Russian military. So for every dollar they get in taxes, one third is spent on the Russian military.
With a corporate tax rate of 20% that means 6.4% of Yandex profits go to the military. Since Kagi is mainly a paid service, I don’t want my money to go to the Russian military, and I guess a lot of other people don’t want this either**.
reuters.com/…/russia-hikes-national-defence-spend…
The Russian people are not to blame, and I am sure a lot of great people work at Yandex and at different companies in Russia. That said, Russia chose to attack a peaceful democratic country, they are currently sanctioned by a lot of western countries in hopes that it will pressure their economy enough to force them to stop the war.
There isn’t much we can do to stop the conflict besides hurting them economically and supporting Ukraine. If we continue to use Russian products and services then that does not work. Unfortunately this affects everyone in Russia.
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 day ago
Paying Yandex is a deal breaker for me. As much as Yandex may want to be independent, they cannot be because of the country they’re based in. With the way things are going, the same may be true of Google and Kagi itself somewhere within the next four years.
Kagi defends itself by saying it’s “only used 2% of the time” which would make a better argument that turning off the feature to distance themselves from Russia has little impact than a defence for working with them. There’s also the “but we’ve always done it like this” defence and something about “providing the best results” but neither are great arguments.
clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Source?
TheFogan@programming.dev 2 days ago
Best I can find links a sweedish page on the topic
fedia.io/m/privacy@lemmy.ml/t/1334785
It’s kind of odd I can’t find more sources which does make me a bit skeptical
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 2 days ago
and Brave, too.
ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 2 days ago
When does anti Russian gov aggression just become racism? Does using Google aid the war in Palestine?
JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I think when I tried them out a while back they also had a usenet search? Can anyone clarify on this?
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
They do.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Imagine if someone added that feature to SearX/SearXNG
aeharding@vger.social 1 day ago
I use the Kagi forum toggle so. much.
pigeonholedpoetry@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It always had this.
phillycodehound@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Neat feature. Any word on if Kagi has ties to the Kremlin?
refreeze@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Its an American company so I suppose it is possible.
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I have no idea, but they amongst other indexes use the index from the Russian company Yandex
BendingHawk@lemmy.world 2 days ago
If you’re worried about Kagi’s connections, I recommend checking out this podcast with the CEO
Tuxophil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That’s nice indeed! Thanks for sharing.
PokerChips@programming.dev 1 day ago
Why can’t it just be automatic?
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 1 day ago
Kagi lenses “focus” the search. So normal web search definitely can contain fediverse results, but with the lens switched on, you ONLY get fediverse results.
aido@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Kagi lets you prioritize/demote/block per-domain but that’s a separate feature
sinceasdf@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Makes sense they advertise here enough
Steve@communick.news 2 days ago
I’m not sure they do at all. There are just a bunch of Kagi users here.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 days ago
What advertising?
noxypaws@pawb.social 2 days ago
you see ads on Lemmy?
Baguette@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Does anyone else’s search on lemmy actually work as expected? I feel like it never finds anything really relevant. I can search for audio interfaces for example and all the first results are about software in general and not actually the hardware component.
paequ2@lemmy.today 2 days ago
Oooooooh. Kagi added this lens! Since you can add custom lenses, I thought I added this to my own account. Cool!
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I think brave let’s you do the same thing with their goggles feature which let’s users make custom search filters. I could be mistaken though
(and yes I know Brave as a company comes with baggage. Pretty much all of the search options do unfortunately :/)
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Is Kagi big? If they are, does this mean we’ll see an influx of users from this?
anonvurr@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
Cool, but I will still prefer to use duckduckgo and type Lemmy in the end of my query.