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• lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The screw-ups keep mounting like they want to be Google.

  They (and we)'ve got to admit, the solution is not going to come from within their (managerial) ranks.

  At this point I’d be happy to offer my services as a BDFL for Mozilla, at but a small fraction of the wages of any of their C-suites.

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• Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yeah, these guys were early participants in the browser wars. They aren’t your friends.

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  • IMALlama@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Duckduckgo’s browser uses webview as it’s main engine, which means that on a phone it will simply use blink (chromium) on Android and Windows device or webkit on Apple devices.

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  • Babalugats@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sorry, I’m lost…

    Who are you referring to the was late to the browser wars?

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• GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • lattrommi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In 1900 on March 14th the Gold Standard Act was ratified in America, forcing the dollar to be redeemable by the Treasury on demand for a fixed value in gold. It was abondoned in 1933 during the Great Depression (which really was not all that great from what I’ve read).

    In 1943 Kraków Ghetto ceased to have prisoners. Less great than that depression.

    1964 Jack Ruby was convicted of assassinating JFK.

    1879 Einstein’s birthday.

    1883 Karl Marx’s death.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s pi day, so I’ll probably be eating a nice pie that day.

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    • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Mmmm, pie. It’s better than cake.

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• NullHippo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They’re cash strapped and cash strapped companies are the worst when it comes to being trustworthy. That’s all the calculus that needs to be done.

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  • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’re not that cash strapped though. Their blog post says that they need the revenue to ‘grow’, and they go on to talk about the new people they’ve added to the board. So it isn’t really about getting enough money to survive. It’s about getting money to support a top-heavy company structure.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How about asking for money? I’d gladly pay if they stripped out a bunch of the nonsense they do and focus on making a better browser. Or keep that crap and let me donate directly to Firefox development.

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    • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’d gladly pay if they stripped out a bunch of the nonsense

      I donate to FOSS often, but I dont have a ton of money. Most will donate nothing, and that is fine part of this is altruistic, but I think its easy to forget that donations only go so far. A web browser is also a very big project and will need a lot more funds too.

      It does not help that Mozilla is in a odd situation on what they can do to raise funds and not move away from their core mission.

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• Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I haven’t been presented with any Ts and C’s. Do they apply if I already installed Firefox before this?

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• zer0bitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So sad. I have used Firefox since 2006. Today I removed it for good from all of my devices. So long old friend. I cant wait for Ladybird to release.

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  • MeThisGuy@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    what is your current open source / FOSS alternative?

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    • zer0bitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      LibreWolf on desktop and Fennec on phone.

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    • global__warning@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      zen i heard is good. probably gonna give it a try one of these days

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• RangerJosey@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Google really needs to be broken up. They’ve become the Ma Bell of the internet.

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• kingshrubb@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  thehackernews.com/…/mozilla-updates-firefox-terms…

  Apparently they changed it due to backlash.

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  • DegenerationIP@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hm. Reading further in the article and since its not the first no-no… I have doubts.

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  • airportline@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ok so I don’t have to change browsers?

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    • PullPantsUnsworn@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There are no alternative browsers out there. Our situation has came down to choose one of the least evil out there.

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  • MrMcGasion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Glad they clarified. To me the “selling data being defined broadly” argument made sense in the context of Google paying them to be included as a search provider. Because there is an argument that Google paying Firefox, and then the user entering a search and that being sent to Google’s servers could be legally seen as Mozilla selling data to Google.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They should clarify that then. Explain any and all situations that could be considered “selling user data” and explain what data that consists of. Then explain how to avoid it.

      That shouldn’t be hard.

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• Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I wonder how much this affects things if you’ve already gone through Firefox’s settings to max out privacy and turn off all telemetry.

  I resisted switching to Librewolf because Firefox works great (including M365 in Linux at work) and seemed to have the options you’d want for privacy and security.

  This doesn’t feel like an emergency, especially in a chrome/edge dominated world. But it’s back on the list of things to investigate transitioning away from.

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  • rocky1138@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yep. It stinks. We’ll see if it was just a fart and it’ll go away or if they crapped and we’ll have to jump ship.

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    • Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maybe we should all throw some kind of support behind ladybird.org with an eye to the future.

      That project isn’t problematic for some reason I haven’t heard about, is it?

      (Problematic other than web browsers being gigantic pieces of software, and ladybrid itself not even being in alpha yet)

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• gamer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Anyone still using Firefox after this probably hasn’t been keeping up with Mozilla’s many controversies. If this is your first time here, I can see why you’d decide to overlook it. I did for a long time, but this is the final straw for me. Luckily, instead of building anything useful over the past decades, Mozilla leadership has been instead focused on enriching themselves. That means deleting my Mozilla account right now was easy.

  I’ve now moved to LibreWolf, because I don’t want to support Chromium’s dominance, but if that project dies out I’ll jump ship. It’ll be a real shame if the world gets stuck with Chromium as the only viable browser, but it won’t be my fault. It will be Mozilla leadership’s fault.

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  • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Jump ship to what? It seems like going to Tor browser full time might be the answer?

    I’m just not sure what the steps are from Librewolf to More private.

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  • catastrophicblues@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yup. I might switch to Waterfox this weekend

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  • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It makes me sad because I’m a donator and supporter to Mozilla - and have been for years. I truly believe the web should be open, free, and not for profit and there are great people at Mozilla which is why I hate seeing the leadership do things like this. I wish there was an active group that shared the same ideals, were ethical, and not full of transphobes and cryptobros that could take up the mantle and fund another fork like Librewolf.

    Preferably would love that any group be a collective not a corporation.

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• TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  so is this them trying to protect its users while adding nuance for the sake of legal protections, or is this them pretending to do that in order to profit off its users?

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• squire3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If Firefox is losing its footing as a privacy focused browser then where do we go? If your on Mac maybe Safari?

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  • global__warning@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    zen, ladybird, waterfox are some that i’ve heard of before. zen is out now. idk about the others. one of my friends uses zen and it’s pretty neat.

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    • fishie@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      zen is still unstable. random errors and bugs show up very often

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  • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Any of the Firefox forks. This is Mozilla not Firefox that is making these decisions.

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  • ___@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Perhaps Ladybug once it’s released?

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    • fishie@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      we should all support ladybird project in hope for accelerated development. alpha in 2026, beta in 2027, stable in 2028. thats a long waiting time

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• ChonkaLoo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t like this but it’s gonna take more for me to switch. I am very happy with Firefox for my use-case and workflow it works really well. However I think they are shooting themselves in the foot by starting to take away some of the most crucial advantages with Firefox compared to Chrome. I mean if both are awful for privacy then why use Firefox?

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  • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you’re going to a Chromium browser, at least go to Vivaldi since it’s a) based on Chromium not Chrome and b) not based in the US.

    The only bad thing it has going for it is that it uses the Chrome web store for extensions.

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    • zeca@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      VIvaldi is cool, but its not open source. If you worry about the trustworthiness of you browser, picking an open source one would be best IMO. Among the chromium-based, there are chromium itself, brave, …

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  • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mind you, this is just step one and other steps WILL follow. Mozilla looked at other enshittified products from large companies that make a lot of money and thought “we could have that too!”

    It’s a pattern I keep seeing, over and over. This is the end of Firefox as we knew it. I’m sure a good fork, run by a non profit foundation will sprout soon enough, but the name for a privacy browser won’t be Firefox no more

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maybe. I’ll certainly check out alternatives, but I’m not panicking just yet. It’s not hard to switch browsers, so I’ll just test out options while seeing how things shake out.

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  • And009@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And what they say about being commercially viable is true, they can’t die on this hill. It means death of complete privacy either way.

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    • blind3rdeye@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Mozilla are a non profit organisation. Their recent blog post says that they will invest in advertising to increase short-term revenue that they need to “grow”. The blog goes on to talk about the increase in board members, and new leaders being added. The CEO and these new leaders are highly paid…

      To me this looks bad. It looks to me that Mozilla’s new leaders have pushed out the old; and are now moving towards advertising and selling user data not because they need it to stabilise and survive, but because they need it to pay the people making the decision to burn trust and reputation. It has become a top-heavy organisation, and greed has seeped in.

      A few people will be self-enriched by this, and then the orgasation will be weaker as a result.

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• mhague@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t get how something is allowed to be labeled “free” when the terms of usage make you barter your data.

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  • Flipper@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are different kinds of free. Free beer, free speech and free weekend are three different kinds of free that software can have, but not necessarily at the same time.

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    • mhague@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I was thinking more along the lines of “install and play this free unity game while it siphons personal data off your computer and sends it back to epic servers”

      They’re specifically getting something of value in return for the good or service and then claiming it’s free and that customers are not customers, merely “users.”

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    • MeThisGuy@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      but all of those taste better with free beer

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• cultsuperstar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Mozilla posted an update:

  Update at 10:20 pm ET: Mozilla has since announced a change to the license language to address user complaints. It now says, “You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.”

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  • vane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why they need users ? If they operate Firefox by themselves why they not start paying for power usage for hosting Firefox on my machine.

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    • And009@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My thoughts as well, there is always another option

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• grandma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I realized mozilla is cooked a few months ago when i read this issue where it has taken them TWELVE YEARS to implement a date picker

  bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888320

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  • unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They have also had this issue open for 20 years.

    And this amounts to just allowing the user to specify a different directory for Firefox on Linux (~/.mozilla is terrible).

    Frankly unacceptable.

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  • neclimdul@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Between the fact I’ve been using a date picker for ages in Firefox, the fact dates and times are hard, and the title of the issue that’s clearly a zombie issue. I’m surprised they were able to close it at all.

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• wall_panel_96@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I use brave and librewolf, anybody know if those are still safe from this dort of thing? (Probably not I guess, so what browsers are left?)

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  • ded@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve been annoying people with this information: Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/…/librewolf.cfg

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    • gamer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t get your point, are you saying that using LibreWolf will still send your personal data to Mozilla? A privacy hardened config should be enough to disable all data collection, unless there’s some kind of hidden telemetry in Firefox. That’d be hard to hide considering the open source nature of Firefox.

      Also, looking at the source repo, it seems like LibreWolf is not just a config file, it’s also a bunch of patches to the source code, plus they do build from source and publish their own binaries. So if Mozilla does try to sneak telemetry in, the LibreWolf maintainers are well positioned to patch it out.

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  • Ibaudia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Librewolf is privacy-hardened so it’s probably the best option. Brave is Chromium-based. Realistically though, all web browsers come with compromises, and internet anonymity is virtually impossible without unrealistic amounts of effort.

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  • vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Someone earlier said that brave was based on chrome and when google blocked ublock origin on Chrome, it would stop working on brave too.

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    • cultsuperstar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People don’t like Brave because they believe it’s a crypto scam, and the CEO is a douchebag. But Brave has said they’ll continue to support extensions regardless of Google’s change.

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    • wall_panel_96@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have yet to see YouTube ads on brave, but are you saying that will soon cease to be the case? Bugger.

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• iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • coolmojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This whole thing does not matter if you are living in the US anyway become of the Third-party doctrine that holds that people who voluntarily give information to third parties have "no reasonable expectation of privacy in that information.

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  palemoon is just firefox from the pre quantum days before the webextension enshittification and all they need is a decent mobile app and their own sync

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  • limoncia@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • coolmojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is actively developed . They didn’t just kept the old version. They forked it and improving and fixing it.

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    • Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It could just be styled the old way

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• cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Don’t collect anything on your own and don’t sell the things you don’t collect. Bam, problem solved.

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• slaacaa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Don’t be evil

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• androidul@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  lmao another Mozilla shitshow

  grabs popcorn 🍿

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• buzz86us@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yup I’ll be sticking with Firefox forks… Unfortunately i have to keep a chrome install around because i can’t get alternative browsers to do redirects for PayPal

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hm? Paypal redirects work for me, even in my browsing profile with trimmed useragent and strict same-origin/cookie policy. This one was never a problem, even if no other webäpp worked. Seems they have good fallbacks.

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• Don_alForno@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Which jurisdictions? What kind of broad way? Give one example please. I dare you.

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I mean you could argue that them defaulting to Google search is already them selling your data. Google definitely pay them for that.

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• zecg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate,

  Fuck off Mozilla. Maybe don’t pay CEOs millions and don’t force things like Pocket and LLMs on users if you want to be commercially viable, I’d gladly pay for Firefox that doesn’t make me dodge new features and services. But it would be a donation towards development of a browser that is commons, since you have no product to sell, only GPL’d code that’s mine as much as yours.

  You have NO fucking leverage, Firefox is better than Chrome, but there’s projects that will gladly repackage your code with no telemetry whatsoever for any platform while you’re brainstorming just the right amount of monetization to prevent the frog from jumping.

  It’s kind of sad I don’t use Chrome and therefore never think of it, while I like and use Firefox and am therefore constantly at odds with Mozilla.

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• Litebit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  please pay me if you want to sell my data.

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• Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Aaaand that’s why I switched to Brave. If you have shit performance and are selling my data, what’s the redeeming quality? 8gb of RAM should be enough to browse the internet. IDK why Firefox insists it isn’t…

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• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Trust me bro

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