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People who ask for art didn’t do the art. Wretch, you have merely stated a request. Worse, you have spoken your desires to a demon, and now you proudly display its gift as your own work.
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Submitted 4 weeks ago by burgersc12@mander.xyz to [deleted]
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Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Valmond@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This!
It’s just a commission.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’s just disappointing how few people are literate with standard occult practices. Never summon anything more powerful than you, never tell your innermost thoughts and desires to a demon, and if you are that stupid don’t brag about it. Real JV league demonology.
NateNate60@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Cool post but how is this a shitpost
Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 weeks ago
It takes less effort to post a single paragraph of ranting than it does to edit the text on a meme image. In a way, this is a shittier shitpost than most.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Lenient_vegetable@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Cause its shit
burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Cause its not a very important post and its mostly just me bitching lol. Almost posted to one of the conversation subs but figured it fit here as well.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
It just is.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
How is it NOT?
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I disagree. I also think your anger should be redirected at the AI companies stealing all the art rather than the people having fun in a sub dedicated for AI.
burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Good point, I know I was just trying to poke fun at “making” AI art at first but I might have gotten a little carried away!
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
aye, fair enough!
Speculater@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Counter argument for the sake of education, go try to recreate his picture using Stable Diffusion. Let me know how easy it is.
malle_yeno@pawb.social 4 weeks ago
I don’t really get how this is a counter point. I don’t think anyone is contending that the pictures produced are reproducible by the same means. They’re contending that the method of production isn’t “making” art and they aren’t an artist for starting the production process.
It’s sort of like when rich people go to space and call themselves an astronaut. People have an idea of what an astronaut does and it isn’t just “space tourist.” If you fired back with “you try spending that much money and see how easy it is” then that wouldn’t answer the point of why people don’t want to call space tourists “astronauts.”
bishbosh@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
I don’t think their point was just that it’s impossible to reproduce, more that there is skill, knowledge and choice put into getting close to the intended idea when working with AI output.
With that I think your point breaks down when you compare it with something like photography. Often you aren’t ‘making’ the images that you capture, but there is skill and artistry in the choices that capture the moment or picture you want. Obviously there is more control in photography, and I would disagree with anyone that uses AI and claims the same level of artistry of photography. But ultimately I think the lines around art are so blurry in general, it seems incorrect to me to do decidedly exclude AI generated images.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
Please stop calling it art. A generated image is not art.
DasKibby@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
That painter didn’t make the painting, the brush did, he just dunked it into some color and pushed it around. Probably didn’t even grind his own pigment…
SandraBollocks@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You’re 100% right. Hell, I’ve been there. I imagine your comment got deleted because the point of the thread wasnt to debate about the definition of artistry.
Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I remember you. It was my thread you commented in. You’re mad because a moderator removed your comment after you showed up and started antagonizing no one in particular?
I’d like to ask you a question. How much experience do you have with any Stable Diffusion tools?
burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
I mean I’ve used em. Still don’t think the guy you were talking about “made” a thing. I was just mad the moderator removed “AI Art Hate” when all I was saying that is basically like if you went to Subway ordered a sandwich then brought it home and claimed you made yourself sandwich.
Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
This seems like a good place for discussion so if you’ll humor me, I’d like to explain some things you might find in a prompt, maybe some things you weren’t aware you could do. Web services don’t allow for a lot of freedom to keep users from generating things outside their terms of use, but with open source tools you can get a lot more involved.
Take a look at these generation parameters:
sarasf, 1girl, solo, robe, long sleeves, white footwear, smile, wide sleeves, closed mouth, blush, looking at viewer, sitting, tree stump, forest, tree, sky, traditional media, 1990s \(style\), <lora:sarasf_V2-10:0.7>Negative prompt: (worst quality, low quality:1.4), FastNegativeV2Steps: 21, VAE: kl-f8-anime2.ckpt, Size: 512x768, Seed: 2303584416, Model: Based64mix-V3-Pruned, Version: v1.6.0, Sampler: DPM++ 2M Karras, VAE hash: df3c506e51, CFG scale: 6, Clip skip: 2, Model hash: 98a1428d4c, Hires steps: 16, “sarasf_V2-10: 1ca692d73fb1”, Hires upscale: 2, Hires upscaler: 4x_foolhardy_Remacri, “FastNegativeV2: a7465e7cc2a2”,ADetailer model: face_yolov8n.pt, ADetailer version: 23.11.1, Denoising strength: 0.38, ADetailer mask blur: 4, ADetailer model 2nd: Eyes.pt, ADetailer confidence: 0.3, ADetailer dilate erode: 4, ADetailer mask blur 2nd: 4, ADetailer confidence 2nd: 0.3, ADetailer inpaint padding: 32, ADetailer dilate erode 2nd: 4, ADetailer denoising strength: 0.42, ADetailer inpaint only masked: True, ADetailer inpaint padding 2nd: 32, ADetailer denoising strength 2nd: 0.43, ADetailer inpaint only masked 2nd: TrueTo break down a bit of what’s going on here, I’d like to explain some of the elements found here.
sarasfis the token for the LoRA of the character in this image, and<lora:sarasf_V2-10:0.7>is the character LoRA for Sarah from Shining Force II. LoRA are like supplementary models you use on top of a base model to capture a style or concept, like a patch. Some LoRA don’t have activation tokens, and some with them can be used without their token to get different results.The 0.7 in
<lora:sarasf_V2-10:0.7>refers to the strength at which the weights from the LoRA are applied to the output. Lowering the number causes the concept to manifest weaker in the output. You can blend styles and concepts this way with just the base model or multiple LoRA at the same time at different strengths. You can even take a monochrome LoRA and take the weight into the negative to get some crazy colors.The Negative Prompt is where you include things you don’t want in your image.
(worst quality, low quality:1.4),here have their attention set to 1.4, attention is sort of like weight, but for tokens. LoRA bring their own weights to add onto the model, whereas attention on tokens works completely inside the weights they’re given. In this negative promptFastNegativeV2is an embedding known as a Textual Inversion. It’s sort of like a crystallized collection of tokens that tell the model something precise you want without having to enter the tokens yourself or mess around with the attention manually. Embeddings you put in the negative prompt are known as Negative Embeddings.In the next part,
Stepsstands for how many steps you want the model to take to solve the starting noise into an image. More steps take longer.VAEis the name of the Variational Autoencoder used in this generation. The VAE is responsible for working with the weights to make each image unique. A mismatch of VAE and model can yield blurry and desaturated images, so some models opt to have their VAE baked in,Sizeare the dimensions in pixels the image will be generated at.Seedis the number representation of the starting noise for the image. You need this to be able to reproduce a specific image.Modelis the name of the model used, andSampleris the name of the algorithm that solves the noise into an image. There are a few different samplers, also known as schedulers, each with their own trade-offs for speed, quality, and memory usage.CFGis basically how close you want the model to follow your prompt. Some models can’t handle high CFG values and flip out, giving over-exposed or nonsense output.Hires stepsrepresents the amount of steps you want to take on the second pass to upscale the output. This is necessary to get higher resolution images without visual artifacts.Hires upscaleris the name of the model that was used during the upscaling step, and again there are a ton of those with their own trade-offs and use cases.After
ADetailerare the parameters for Adetailer, an extension that does a post-process pass to fix things like broken anatomy, faces, and hands. We’ll just leave it at that because I don’t feel like explaining all the different settings found there.I could continue if you want to hear more.
HeckGazer@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
proompter
Halosheep@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
The anti ai conservatives are a strange group. Go be mad about something that matters.
burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
When did I say I was anti-ai or conservative. I just didn’t like my comment being removed when I said making art involved more than typing in a prompt or 10 and hitting enter.
Halosheep@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
At its core, conservatism is about “conserving the way things are”, or, in another way, being “against change”. Anti ai people are against the changes they’re seeing. I don’t know how else to describe this.
Art is art, if someone has a fun idea and uses ai as the tool to express their idea, then it’s art. It may require less effort at the time of creation than other art forms, but this was at the expense of many people spending many hours developing the tools to make that happen.
Just like every era of change, there are people out there pissed off because it’s different. People were upset that the printing press was created, because they felt it cheapened knowledge.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
It doesn’t even make sense. Conservatives love, love, love AI.
Hey, does anyone remember that 500 billion dollar infrastructure package Trump wants to give AI companies? You should, it was two weeks ago.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Well… a person did make the art. Several in fact. ELIZA just took what they made and put it in a blender.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
He didn’t make poetry he only put the WORDS ON THE PAPER? THE Pencil WROTE IT!!
TRUE ART IS CHISELED!!!
-Pedantic jealous non-artists like you lol
burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Never said I was an artist. Also if the pencil wrote by itself you might have an argument.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
How wonderful, another AI thread on .world, a feast for my blocklist.
The block button hungers for the luddite with no basic reasoning skills.
tryagain@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Slopper.
“Wow this guy’s portraits are really good!” “Nah he’s just a slopper”
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Shit post, not shitpost
burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Thanks, your comment has made me see the light
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Glad I could help 🫡
Melt@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
AI genner, lol.
allo@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
i love making ai art :)
burgersc12@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Now I’m triggered
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So there is this feature where you can focus the AI on a specific file when generating responses. If that file contains only your own digital art, is the AI art produced yours? Not saying that’s what you found, but maybe there is some nuance to AI art creation.
jdeath@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
it’s more like commissioning an art piece vs really making it
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
like commissioning a piece of art from an artist who stole all their techniques and style from artists who labored on it their entire lives.
uncompensated.
without any kind of consent or permission.
I really don’t see it like commissioning from an actual artist.
jdeath@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
i wasn’t trying to imply AI was an artist. just trying to suggest a different word for people making the art who want to say “i made this art” well not really you just asked for it. like you would if you had commissioned an artist
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Prompted it is the best one I’ve heard, as crafting the right prompt is something of a skill on its own.
They didn’t make it, they prompted the AI to make it.
hansolo@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
This is how art has worked for millennia.
I go to a human artist and say “please make me a painting of my family. Make my wife more beautiful, me more tall, and my kids not look like little shits.” And then you give money. That’s a prompt for a commissioned work.
No one ever praises the Duke of Milan for commissioning a painting of The Last Supper. They praise Leonardo Friggin’ di Vinci for making it.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Yeah, that’s a great analogy actually.