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You wrote the history book vs You were in the history book
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samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
People’s memories of school are unreliable and I’m seeing a few comments about how we were “only” taught a couple of things in school.
Here is the current UK history lesson curriculum, summarized
key stage 1
changes within living memory – where appropriate, these should be used to reveal aspects of change in national life
events beyond living memory that are significant nationally or globally for example, the Great Fire of London, the first aeroplane flight or events commemorated through festivals or anniversaries
the lives of significant individuals in the past who have contributed to national and international achievements, some should be used to compare aspects of life in different periods for example, Elizabeth I and Queen Victoria, Christopher Columbus and Neil Armstrong, William Caxton and Tim Berners-Lee, Pieter Bruegel the Elder and LS Lowry, Rosa Parks and Emily Davison, Mary Seacole and/or Florence Nightingale and Edith Cavell
key stage 2
iron age
Romans
anglo-saxons / Scots
Vikings
Edward the confessor
a local history study of an event after 1066, but can include influence from before e.g. the impact of greco-Roman culture on the medieval period
early civilization (usually egypt)
ancient Greece
ancient non-european culture (usally Islam, Benin or Mayan)
key stage 3
British history in the following epochs:
years 1066 thru 1509
1509 thru 1745
1745 thru 1901
1901 thru modern day
plus at least one non-european study and it’s interconnections to world history
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I’m shocked y’all’re including Rosa Parks in there. Like, she’s awesome, but she’s an American protestor
for a deeply American issue. Ok apparently the UK had segregation, just not on the level of the American south. But I guess it makes a lot of sense to compare that to the women’s sufferage movement.
sj_zero 11 hours ago federation: confirmed
One of my favorite history truisims is that history isn't written by the winners; history is written by the people who write and maintain the history books. The distinction is subtle, but matters.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Yeah it’s really hard to completely destroy history if your enemies are dedicated to preserving it. For example Franco couldn’t kill the republican narrative of his war, he could only drive it into secrecy.
Soldiers ensure your reign, but scholars legitimize it. Oh and minority groups have a vested interest in maintaining their own scholarship that’s proportional to how hard you try to stop it.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 12 hours ago
I’m assuming they still teach the grim history in schools in the UK. They did when I went to school. I don’t think I know anybody who feels proud of “the good old days” but then it’s not a topic which comes up much.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
That’s Snyderverse Superman. He was plenty grim.
D_C@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Yep, same.
World War Two and Churchill was the only history I was taught that could be classed as being proud of. Everything else was more of a “look at all this bad shit we did” type scenario.MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 8 hours ago
Not British, but the standout things I know of Churchill are mostly related to the bengal famine and his staunch distaste of progressive social policy. I think people also thought he was a good speaker.
What’s he best known for over there?
Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Is this referencing school text books? Because if anything the problem is solved by just not teaching large chunks of history at all.
It goes Ancient Egypt, the Vikings, Henry VIII wives, WWII and that’s about it.
egrets@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Don’t forget WWII, WWII, and WWII.
BillyClark@piefed.social 14 hours ago
If you were given Superman’s powers, would you do the same thing as he does in the comics?
I try to imagine myself doing that, and I can’t imagine it would be anything but depressing. Oh, now that bad person over there wants to kill that other bad person. Probably if you went and completely stopped the fighting in the Middle East, people would just call you antisemitic. And then the moment you left, they’d all start killing each other again.
I suspect that, rather than trying to save or rule people, I’d just become an apathetic egomaniac. There’s no point to ruling humans. Just like humans aren’t obsessed with ruling ants. I’d probably just see them as the best available source of entertainment, and I’d only intervene if something interferes with the entertainment industry.
CentipedeFarrier@piefed.social 1 hour ago
Idk man, you have the capacity to do whatever. We just assume a nice guy narrative because that’s what we’ve come to expect.
If some random human was superman, they’d just kill all the bad people. In my case, until utopia existed. And then any bad people who challenged that utopia. Because whats the point of ultimate power if you never use it for good?
And sure, bad guys will pop up to cause problems, but they do that anyway. Musk, bezos, pick your poison, they crop up all the time and need to be stamped down.
You as superman stomp those all down. Fatally. End-of.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
I mean, as always it depends on which Superman we’re talking about. I’ve seen some depictions that treat the super-hearing more like a curse. Could you maintain your apathy if you could hear every pained scream and every cry for help in your city?
Not to mention, some depictions have him on the level of a god where you certainly could do whatever the hell you wanted, whereas others have him a lot weaker and closer to something that the world could defeat if he really became a problem. I don’t think I’d want to take on the world if I knew a nuclear arsenal could still take me out.
msage@programming.dev 11 hours ago
Fuck no, stop the wealthy, threaten anyone attempting to wage wars, genociding, opressing.
Distribute resources, build schools, destroy datacenters.
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
I would go in with the best intentions of fixing the world, but probably eventually end up disillusioned in the watchmen plot, because people are just so shitty and the only thing that can make humans play nice is an external threat.
altphoto@lemmy.today 15 hours ago
Also today on the radio they introduced the new prime minister or whatever and he says something like “for the royal family blah blah…” Dude! It’s 2026! If I saw a king across the street and he said something about my mother he would have to saw his sack back on before he realized the balls had been kicked into a fine paste. There’s no place for that kind of people anymore.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 hours ago Prime Minister Larry? Dare we hope for Prime Minister Jungkook?
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 12 hours ago
Yes, us still having a monarchy is a joke.
LongLive@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
British humour transcends dynasties
Steve@startrek.website 16 hours ago
Wut
Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 15 hours ago
To the left ist Superman, considered as an unstoppable force of good.
To the right is Homelander, similar powers but a fascist, mentally ill person created by a corrupt Mega-Corporation.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Idk I don’t watch capeshit either.
njm1314@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
What part are you confused about?
- HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
not everyone has seen The Boys i guess. i get it, it’s very definitely not for everyone
mech@feddit.org 15 hours ago
Did the dude on the right conquer half the world and make it adopt his culture?
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
To me as a Malaysian: it’s complicated. At least for James Brooke the White Rajah of Borneo, some local do adore him as a ruler, or at least liked him because him ruling mean no more war between tribe.
Also as a non-malay, i cannot imagine or dare to imagine a modern Malaysia where Malaya/Borneo didn’t get conquered by European, because there won’t be one, and seeing how Saudi Arabia turn out to be these day. While British leave a mess here and there, they also leave democracy to this land, combined multiple state into one, abolish slavery(the sultans endorse slavery and enslaved non-muslim), and weakened the sultans to almost a decoration state. So at least now we just have to satisfy the freeloader asking for rent, than a monarchy state that will dictate everyone based on a fantasy book from ages ago.
So while the coloniser(Portuguese, dutch, then brits) are bad guy, the one they colonised also very much a bad guy. To me they’re like the left but from Injustice universe.