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Elon Musk says Tesla is an AI company now. Here’s how plausible that is.

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨vegeta@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-an-ai-company-now-heres-how-plausible-that-is/

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  • Cadeillac@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As plausible as removing an image from the internet forever

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    • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      or like from 6 years ago when elon replied to someone saying tesla was emphatically pro lgbt and if you didn’t like that, go elsewhere.

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    • LazaroFilm@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      MySpace enters the chat and loses more that 1/2 of their photo storage

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      • SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Tom from MySpace did it right. Took a massive paycheck and then fucked off.

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  • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The company’s profit and loss sheets back that up—Tesla was spending heavily on GPUs from Nvidia rather than on new car lines, although that was followed by news that Musk has had many of those GPUs redirected to his social media company X. And over the past few years, we’ve seen more demonstrations of humanoid robots—with varying degrees of verisimilitude—than new cars.

    So, let me get this straight… Tesla, a publicly owned company, of which Musk is an employee (and major shareholder) is buying GPUs to be used by Twitter, a privately held company of which Musk is the owner?

    How is that not embezzlement?

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    • MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good fucking point

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    • kurcatovium@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      By sheer weight of his wealth spent on bribes here and there.

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  • vegeta@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Additionally, Musk announced a full self driving robot driver to make the robotaxis look more authentic

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    • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      it’ll be here in september december next may a year from now soon

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      • nforminvasion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        soon-ish

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    • rekorse@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol is this for real?

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  • thejml@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Elon could have spun off Tesla’s AI (FSD) into a separate company or created a new AI company that Tesla uses for their FSD. Instead, he’s pivoting Tesla, a fairly successful, if troubled car company that uses AI, away from producing cars. Why? I mean, this is consistent with his firings and division layoffs, but it seems like a dumb decision from the board’s/investors point of view.

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    • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To pump up the stock with the next hype train now that reality is catching up to EV production.

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is tesla a fairly successful car company? Or is it an overvalued piece of shit memestock?

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  • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I saw a cyber truck in person for the first time this week. One thing I can say with certainty is that they are definitely NOT a truck company.

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  • jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Elon musk is not interesting any more

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  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Elon says, we have another AI. AI says, we have yet another “Elon says” post.

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  • jhoward@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Makes sense. It sure as shit didn’t have any real intelligence.

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  • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tesla has always been an AI company. They’ve had tons of machine learning going on in their cars basically as long a they’ve existed. What exactly is changing? Are they going to start trying to use generative models like GPTs in their cars?

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    • breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “We are a car company we sell cars. We have machine learning for self driving”

      to

      “We are an AI company”.

      It hasn’t always been an AI company. They are an automotive company suddenly shifting gears

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I guess if you think AI and car are mutually exclusive. I would have described Tesla as an AI car company.

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    • cakeistheanswer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For the most part what kind of company you are is what kind of product you’re selling or making money off of.

      So you could contend that Tesla is a battery company or a car company feasibly. Nobody ahead of the AI bubble would have mentioned Tesla and artificial intelligence in the same category.

      Besides, if it’s what he makes money selling Tesla is a tax credit company.

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So you could contend that Tesla is a battery company or a car company feasibly. Nobody ahead of the AI bubble would have mentioned Tesla and artificial intelligence in the same category.

        Nobody really thought of AI as an independently marketable product before the AI bubble though. And many “AI companies” now have some kind of hardware product they are attaching their AI offering to. I’d circle back to the Apple example. They are a tech company and a phone company, but they also have Siri. That probably required a significant amount of R&D behind the scenes. Maybe we wouldn’t call them an AI company in the same sense as OpenAI, but they’ve probably been selling an AI assistant as a feature in their products for longer than OpenAI has been selling ChatGPT.

        Besides, if it’s what he makes money selling Tesla is a tax credit company.

        Lol that’s funny. I’d wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. But in my mind it’s more about where the operating budget goes, not where the revenue comes from.

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    • Nougat@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are no AI companies until anyone can demonstrate actual intelligence. LLMs are not intelligent. Self-driving car systems are not intelligent. Machine learning is not intelligence.

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t disagree, but ML and AI are both meaningful terms in the field of computer science, neither of which is meant to be understood as actual human intelligence. Research into self-driving cars is AI research. Regardless of the success of that technology.

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    • db2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We have always been at war with Eurasia.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      By this logic, any car company with any advanced driving aids are “AI” companies, and therefore the likes of VW, Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, BMW, Hyundai, Jaguar, etc aren’t actually car companies.

      Come off it. They’re car companies. It’s just that one of their car’s features is some function that relies on machine learning.

      You may as well call Ford a cup holder company by this logic - after all, they’ve had cup holders for so long now!

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        aren’t actually car companies.

        You’re making the same assumption many others in this thread do that “AI company” and “car company” are non-overlapping circles on a Venn diagram. In my view this is as ludicrous as saying that “Apple is a phone company, not a software company”

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For them to be an AI company, they first have to sell self driving and not a pipe dream.

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    • breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To reply to your edit.

      You can mentally categorise whatever you like into whatever you want. It doesn’t mean anyone else will agree with you, or even understand what you’re saying. You have the right to express your categorisation. But don’t whinge and whine when no one else agrees with it.

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Who’s whinging and whining? I’m just explaining my reasoning. I actually am fascinated by the discussion that’s developed here. I’m amazed at how upset people are getting about this. I made the above comment as a genuine question about what exactly is meant to change about Tesla following this statement from Elon. Like what exactly it means that he’s acknowledged his company is heavily invested in AI development. I never would have guessed the semantics would be so controversial as to give me maybe my most heavily downvoted comment ever.

        People are saying I’m using mental gymnastics, logical fallacies, bringing up completely irrelevant examples including Amber Heard and 1984 for some reason (???). People just love to find any reason to get outraged up I guess.

        Maybe people interpret any comment in a thread about Tesla as supportive if it doesn’t begin with a virtue signalling “Fuck Elon” (which TBF, I agree with. Fuck that guy. But I don’t really think it needed to be said for my comment)

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    • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Have you considered that you could just be wrong, and that’s why you are getting down voted?

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    • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly the closest thing I can think of is the fact that techically every Tesla is a compute node for Tesla that can be tasked to not only process local data but also other cars data.

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s a great observation. They’ve put a lot of resources into their OTA update system. They could abuse that for lots of other things like distributed computing if it were profitable for them to do so, even if it introduces additional risk for their drivers.

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  • bwf93@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I thought xAI was the ai company.

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  • MyOpinion@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    AI will save anything! Except the stock market.

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  • chakan2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Great…the company known for running cars into EMS vehicles at 80mph is focusing on AI. This will turn out fine.

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  • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ITT: @bionicjoey@lemmy.ca demonstrates the informal fallacy multiple ways

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  • El_guapazo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sure, and the cyber truck can be used as a flotation device.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I believe it’s a device to remove all the oxygen from the local environment and convert it all into iron oxide. It’s actually a remarkably effective. It even has wheels for easy transport.

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  • vxx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is he getting desperate because Tesla is down 20% in a month?

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  • kurcatovium@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    AI means Automobile Industry. Right? Right?!?

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