cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/17489781
No thanks
Motherboards and systems with China's Loongson CPUs now shipping to US customers — options start from $373 for a DTX board with processor and cooler
Submitted 4 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
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JoMomma@lemm.ee 4 months ago
remotelove@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Why not? Those CPUs got perfect scores on Red Star OS.
eleitl@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I would buy it. No US fed backdoors, just Chinese ones, and I’m not in China.
Kualk@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Does it run Linux?
fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you’re out of luck there. For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU. Also AMD’s AM5 platform is DDR5 while this Chinese CPU and mobo combo is DDR4. $373 is a ridiculously non competitive price.
JTskulk@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Who the fuck uses Windows 11?!
Neato@ttrpg.network 4 months ago
The majority of businesses and a lot of consumers. 46% of steam users. Few years it’ll be the majority.
M500@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Me 😢
I have a critical work app that will not run in wine or with proton.
I’ve even contacted the devs and they suggested trying to run the android version on Linux, but it doesn’t work either.
Weslee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I do, I’ve been trying to get off it and onto Bazzite but I tried to do a test run by installing it on my laptop before my pc and the boot loader won’t pick up the usb 😔
I don’t feel comfortable doing it on my pc without first seeing it work, so it seems I’m stuck on windows
Aux@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Everyone.
SeattleRain@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No Intel Management Engine though.
bizarroland@fedia.io 4 months ago
Is that a bad thing though?
exanime@lemmy.today 4 months ago
This is not a good deal. First of all I highly doubt this mobo and CPU will be Windows 11 compatible so you’re out of luck there.
That’s a feature lol
For $373 you can find an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X and mobo combo deal that will vastly outperform this Chinese CPU
Really? I’m actually asking because I don’t think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price. Also, we’d need to confirm the specs and performance. So far it would be just speculation
Rinox@feddit.it 4 months ago
Really? I’m actually asking because I don’t think you can get the amd combo you mentioned at that price.
Without even trying… pcpartpicker.com/list/msJQ6D
This is not even the lowest you can go, as I wouldn’t get an A620 mobo. Also not a recommendation, just first three components I found.
BTW, afaik this is a MIPS CPU, with proprietary ISA. Who would want this other than the Chinese government exactly?
Kualk@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Give us some links for combo of motherboard, CPU and fan. I assume it needs a fan.
fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Here:
CPU + Mobo combo plus a CPU cooler which adds up to about $381.40 which is $8 more than Chinese CPU + mobo combo. I think that’s close enough to be within the margin of price fluctuations. That AM5 mobo comes with four memory slots, USB 3.2 and Wifi 6E. Those features may be worth extra $8 for some.
Aux@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You shouldn’t compare retail prices with deals. Go compare it to AMD MSRP.
Allero@lemmy.today 4 months ago
I think what people here miss out is that it’s not meant to immediately become a retail choice.
First, some specific industries might be interested, then others, then, maybe, common consumers.
fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This Chinese CPU and mobo is not meant to compete against Intel or AMD based system. This 4 core CPU is probably comparable to 2019 Intel or AMD CPU at best. This CPU meant for two markets, domestic Chinese consumers and Chinese government. The west sees China as emerging threat so they’ve been blocking lot of chip manufacturing tech and high end GPUs used for AI. The Chinese government wants to be less dependent on western technology and build their own domestic CPU. Also Chinese government may be paranoid about Intel IME and AMD ST spying on them so this CPU would alleviate that worry. Clearly it’s not meant to be sold in mass to western consumers. If I had to guess actual competitive price of this CPU and mobo combo is around $150 at the most.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Might be helpful to have this hardware if you want to develop malware targeting systems in China.
Kualk@lemm.ee 4 months ago
A few years from now we may be seeing US tariffs on these just like EVs today.
China is developing fast and it took US trade war seriously.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
History with project TRON shows that it’s more likely that importing those will just become illegal.
Fades@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No fuckin thanks
Flyswat@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
So you want to continue using the American spyware. I’d give the Chinese spyware a try, to even the ground.
Allero@lemmy.today 4 months ago
I’d even go as far as to say your data is way less likely to hurt you when abused abroad than domestically.
And we know American hardware does, indeed, have backdoors.
amanda@aggregatet.org 4 months ago
Apparently the instruction set is off-brand MIPS64?!
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I don’t think that is what they mean by “which is a bit like MIPS or RISC-V.“
breakingcups@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It is. Originally they were a MIPS-like, then they licensed it and became MIPS-compatible, then they extended it into their own instruction set.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Why would anyone want this? Maybe they are forcing Chinese nationals to buy them and inflate their popularity as a product for Papa CCP.
OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
Could be for devs? China’s long term goal is to wean itself off western software and hardware.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Speaking strictly in the US, which is what this article is about.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 months ago
They probably sell them dirt cheap domestically, no need for coercion
verdantbanana@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Toes@ani.social 4 months ago
I’m having a hard time finding a bullet point list of all it’s features.
Some articles are telling me it’s a match for Haswell others are telling me it has AVX2. None of them seem that reliable. Do you happen to know?
Aux@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s a MIPS CPU. There’s no point comparing it to x86.
TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I believe these still not beat the bang for the buck of X79 and X99 PCs.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 4 months ago
This is some really expensive hardware for a processor that’s a couple generations behind in performance.
Also, I’m surprised these can be shipped to the US. I thought this tech was sanctioned or something related to it, or perhaps, it might soon be.
Kualk@lemm.ee 4 months ago
A couple generations don’t mean much anymore.
Performance gains have been slow.
I’d rather understand where exactly is its performance in comparison to AMD and Intel.
Then I can make a call if it is worth it.
After all there’s plenty of Raspberry Pi level performance and people are happy with it as long as price is right.
exanime@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Less than $400 for mobo, cpu and fan is not expensive even if it’s a couple of gens behind
Rinox@feddit.it 4 months ago
I mean, it’s a 4 core MIPS CPU, tops out at 2.5GHz and apparently compares to an i3 10100F, which is pretty much “reheated Skylake”. This with native code.
It can translate x86 and ARM code in theory, but I can imagine the performance degradation. You can buy this if you want, I know I won’t
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I can get an AMD 7800X3D, a b650 mobo, and 32Gb of DDR5 RAM for $500 right now in a bundle from my local Microcenter. I bought that exact bundle for like $425 a few months ago when I rebuilt my gaming PC because they happened to have some other sale running that stacked with the bundle price. Gimme a modern x64 processor and DDR5 RAM I know will feasibly last me like 10 years for a few extra bucks any day.