ARM looking pretty good too these days
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floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Intel has not halted sales or clawed back any inventory. It will not do a recall, period.
Buy AMD. Got it!
xantoxis@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
arm is very primed to take a lot of market share of server market from intel. Amazon is already very committed on making their graviton arm cpu their main cpu, which they own a huge lion share of the server market on alone.
icydefiance@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Yeah, I manage the infrastructure for almost 150 WordPress sites, and I moved them all to ARM servers a while ago, because they’re 10% or 20% cheaper on AWS.
Websites are rarely bottlenecked by the CPU, so that power efficiency is very significant.
tal@lemmy.today 3 months ago
I rrally think that most people who think that they want ARM machines are wrong, at least given the state of things in 2024. Like, maybe you use Linux…but do you want to run x86 Windows binary-only games? Even if you can get 'em running, you’ve lost the power efficiency. What’s hardware support like? Do you want to be able to buy other components? If you like stuff like that Framework laptop, which seems popular on here, an SoC is heading in the opposite direction of that – an all-in-one, non-expandable manufacturer-specified system.
But this is a legit application. A non-CPU-constrained datacenter application running open-source software compiled against ARM, where someone else has validated that the hardware is all good for the OS.
I would not go ARM for a desktop or laptop as things stand, though.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Linux works great on ARM, I just want something similar to most mini-ITX boards (4x SATA, 2x mini-PCIe, and RAM slots), and I’ll convert my DIY NAS to ARM. But there just isn’t anything between RAM-limited SBCs and server-grade ARM boards.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
arm is a mixes bag. iirc atm the gpu on the Snapdragon X Elite os disabled on Linux, and consumer support is reliant on how well the hardware manufacturer supports it if it closed source driver. In the case of qualcomm, the history doesnt look great for it
digdilem@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
They’re already doing it. We replaced our 6 vmware hosts earlier this year. Initially priced for Intel but then got offered AMD. Less cost, twice the power. Got 5 of them and saved some money.
Some code that relied upon intel hardware did need rebuilding, but otherwise it’s been very good.
mox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
RISC-V isn’t there yet, but it’s moving in the right direction. A completely open architecture is something many of us have wanted for ages. It’s worth keeping an eye on.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
If there were decent homelab ARM CPUs, I’d be all over that. But everything is either memory limited (e.g. max 8GB) or datacenter grade (so $$$$). I want something like a Snapdragon with 4x SATA, 2x m.2, 2+ USB-C, and support for 16GB+ RAM in a mini-ITX form factor. Give it to me for $200-400, and I’ll buy it.
RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
I’ll take that as well please.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
It’s not quite there for desktop use yet, but it probably won’t be too much longer.
whostosay@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I hope so, I accidentally advised a client to snatch up a snapdragon surface (because they had to have a dog shit surface) and I hadn’t realized that a lot of shit doesn’t quite work yet. Most of it does, which is awesome, but it needs to pick up the pace
barsoap@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Depends on the desktop. I have a NanoPC T4, originally as a set top box (that’s what the RK3399 was designed for, has a beast of a VPU) now on light server and wlan AP duty, and it’s plenty fast enough for a browser and office. Provided you give it an SSD, that is.
Speaking of Desktop though the graphics driver situation is atrocious. There’s been movement since I last had a monitor hooked up to it but let’s just say the linux blob that came with it could do gles2, while the android driver does vulkan. Presumably because ARM wants Rockchip to pay per fucking feature per OS for Mali drivers.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
GPU support is a real mess. Those ARM SOCs are intended for embeded systems, not PCs. None of the manufacturers want to release an open source driver and the blobs typically don’t work with a recent kernel.
For ARM on the desktop, I would want an ATX motherboard with a socketed 3+ GHz CPU with 8-16 cores, socketed RAM and a PCIe slot for a desktop GPU.
Almost all Linux software will run natively on ARM if you have a working GPU. Getting windows games to run on ARM with decent performance would probably be difficult. It would probably need a CPU that’s been optimized for emulating x86 like what Apple did with theirs.
SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Not really
henfredemars@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Smells like a future class action lawsuit to me.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You mean the type where the lawyers get eight figure payouts and you get a ten dollar check?
frezik@midwest.social 3 months ago
Yes. Problem is, this is the only way our system of justice allows for keeping companies accountable.
However, in this case, there’s a lot of big companies that would also be part of the class. Some from oem desktop systems in offices, and also for some servers. The 13\14900k has a lot of cores, and there’s quite a few server motherboards that accept it. It was often a good choice over going Xeon or EPYC.
Those companies are now looking over at the 7950x, noticing it’s faster, uses less power, and doesn’t crash.
They’re not going to be satisfied with a $10 check.
Exusia@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah that’s pretty shitty to continue to sell a part that they know is defective.
lath@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yet they do it all the time when a higher specs CPU is fabricated with physical defects and is then presented as a lower specs variant.
tal@lemmy.today 3 months ago
Nobody objects to binning, because people know what they’re getting and the part functions within the specified parameters.
lath@lemmy.world 3 months ago
And so do these, under the updated parameters.
grue@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’ve been buying AMD for – holy shit – 25 years now, and have never once regretted it. I don’t consider myself a fanboi; I just (a) prefer having the best performance-per-dollar rather than best performance outright, and (b) like rooting for the underdog.
But if Intel keeps fucking up like this, I might have to switch on grounds of (b)!
spoiler
___ (Realistically I’d be more likely to switch to ARM or even RISCV, though. Even if Intel became an underdog, my memory of their anti-competitive and anti-consumer bad behavior remains long.)
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
Same here. I hate Intel so much, I won’t even work there, despite it being my current industry and having been headhunted by their recruiter. It was so satisfying to tell them to go to pound sand.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s good to feel proud of where you work. I’m not too sure on whether or not Intel treats their workers good though, do they?
aard@kyu.de 3 months ago
I did not sign with them after I had some issues with the contract provided, and the resulting interactions with my future manager. I’d say at least for someone from Europe the company culture is less than ideal from that encounter.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Ummblrag
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 3 months ago
…assssssholeeeee…
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
I can see it might appear that way if you have no knowledge or experience with recruitment or recruiters. It’s especially common in my field as it can be hard to get qualified people.
Damage@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
I’ve been on AMD and ATi since the Athlon 64 days on the desktop.
Laptops are always Intel, simply because that’s what I can find, even if every time I scour the market extensively.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 months ago
Honestly I was and am, an AMD fan but if you went back a few years you would not have wanted and AMD laptop. I had one and it was truly awful.
Battery issues. Low processing power. App crashes and video playback issues. And this was on a more expensive one with a dedicated GPU…
And then Ryclzen came out. You can get AMD laptops now and I mean that like as they actually are nice.
But in 2013 it was Intel or you were better off with nothing.
orangeboats@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Indeed, the Ryzen laptops are very nice! I have one (the 4800H) and it lasts ~8 hours on battery, far more than what I expected from laptops of this performance level. My last laptop barely achieved 4 hours of battery life.
I had stability issues in the first year but after one of the BIOS updates it has been smooth as butter.
Damage@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Yeah I never really considered them before Ryzen, but even afterwards, it’s been very difficult to find one with the specs I want.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Sorry but after the amazing Athlon x2, the core and core 2 (then i series) lines fuckin wrecked AMD for YEARS. Ryzen took the belt back but AMD was absolutely wrecked through the core and i series.
Source: computer building company and also history
grue@lemmy.world 3 months ago
AMD “bulldozer” architecture CPUs were indeed pretty bad compared to Intel Core 2, but they were also really cheap.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I ran an AMD Phenom II x4 955 Black Edition for ~5 years, then gave it to a friend who ran it for another 5 years. We overclocked the hell out of it up to 4ghz, and there is no way in hell you were getting gaming performance that good from Intel dollar-for-dollar, so no AMD did not suck from Core 2 on. You need to shift that timeframe up to Bulldozer, and even then Bulldozer and the other FX CPUs ended up aging better than their Intel counterparts, and at their adjusted prices were at least reasonable products.
Doesn’t change the fact AMD lied about Bulldozer, nor does it change Intel using its market leader position to release single-digit performance increases for a decade and strip everything i5 and lower down to artificially make i7 more valuable. Funny how easy it is to forget how shit it was to be a PC gamer then after two crypto booms.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’ve had nothing but issues with some footers, laptops, etc…m once I discovered the common factor was Intel, I haven’t had a single problem with any of my devices since. AMD all the way for CPUs.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m with you on all this. Fuck Intel.
vxx@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I hate the way Intel is going, but I’ve been using Intel chips for over 30 years and never had an issue.
So your statement is kind of pointless, since it’s such a small data set, it’s irrelevant.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
© upgradability and not having motherboards be disposable on purpose
nek0d3r@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Genuinely, I’ve also been an AMD buyer since I started building 12 years ago. I started out as a fan boy but mellowed out over the years. I know the old FX were garbage but it’s what I started on, and I genuinely enjoy the 4 gens of Intel since ivy bridge, but between the affordability and being able to upgrade without changing the motherboard every generation, I’ve just been using Ryzen all these years.