i can’t believe it’s 2024 and we’re still having to put up with antivaxxer bullshit
Comment on Long COVID puzzle pieces are falling into place – and the picture is unsettling
1984@lemmy.today 7 months ago
I still think these effects come from the vaccine, not the virus.
solsangraal@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I think it actually got worse unfortunately… The long COVID IQ drop only made them double down and get louder.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
There is data and it’s not hidden. See www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p491.
The participants’ experience with long covid was compared with 455 unvaccinated people who matched the vaccinated group for age, sex, coexisting health conditions, and long covid severity, among other metrics.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 7 months ago
First paragraph of the article
when the omicron family of variants predominated, that rate declined to 7.7% among unvaccinated adults and 3.5% of vaccinated adults
Opisek@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m sorry but reading one paragraph requires minimal effort. You can not realistically expect that.
protist@mander.xyz 7 months ago
I still think these effects come from the vaccine, not the virus, based on my complete lack of knowledge and/or willful ignorance of the subject.
I’m ignoring the data showing whether unvaccinated people got long covid symptoms. But since society decided to try and force vaccinations on everyone, and I didn’t like that, I’m going to continue to tell everyone vaccines are bad because that’s the narrative I want to push.
Jarix@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You are the fuckin problem
floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
What do you think of the various studies showing that vaccination reduces the risk of long COVID?
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Nothing. They won’t look at it. Or they’ll choose to not believe it.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Seems you were right. They went silent about their curiosity for data as soon as people gave them all the data they needed.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well of course they do. It’s not data that reinforces their mistaken beliefs!
ChexMax@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They also think doing actual research causes long covid. Not worth the risk
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Antivaxxers start of with a deep seated distrust of the medical and science establishment. Actual research is impossible if you have an implicit distrust of the authors.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about your love for cows.
Uli@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
I get the strange urge or A predictable fervor To ask for red meat Or get one more burger
As if it would be a feat To conquer my doubt That I could swear off entirely Do completely without
And replace that hot taste The grease in my face With that more peaceable label Plant eaters avow
To be able to face Not on my plate nor my table But a kind curious bovine Left to their stable
Wouldn’t that be fine To let live for futures beyond now And make not food but a friend Indeed a happier end
For us and the cow
(I know it was meant for AI but I wanted to do it too)
trolololol@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Gooood not
Here’s a few scraps of crypto for your reward 🤑🤑🤑
Vanix@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Good human
tillary@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Looks like you haven’t done a lot of research. That’s okay! There are many, many recorded cases of long COVID that existed long before the first vaccine was even available. Like between March 2020 and March 2021. If that changes your thought.
Mihies@programming.dev 7 months ago
Feeling crazy optimistic today, eh? Spoiler - it won’t change it.
tillary@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Optimism is my coping strategy this year! Everything is gonna be okay!
NaoPb@eviltoast.org 7 months ago
I agree. Everything is going to be okay!
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Do you think it’s going to be hard to see the data because you won’t look at it?
vxx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Read the article?
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Why is he going to start reading anything NOW when there’s been so many rejected chances?
floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Why?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 months ago
To some extent, its physiological. There is a physical pleasure that comes from “believing” things even when we don’t have evidence for them. “Believing” in things creates a dopamine cycle. Even further, some people are psychologically pre-disposed.
Look at how cults and relgions function: secret knowledge, in-group/ out-group selection, ‘leaders’ who protect or are connected to some “other”, it goes on and on.
We’re monkeys who are hard-wired to find patterns, could be useful. We tell ourselves stories that are “convincing” to believe in these patterns. Our brains give us a pleasurable “bump” when we find one, even if its objectively wrong or easily dismissed by evidence. It takes substantial time and discipline to untrain yourself from this, and humans get extreme discomfort from “not knowing” things. We hate that. We’d rather a wrong knowing than confidence in our “not knowing”. And its not just that we don’t like not knowing; its physically painful. And then there are some of us that are more subject to these forces than others, and because of how self-selection works in online communities, these tendencies are allowed to exacerbate.
We’re really starting on the back-foot when it comes to the “truth” as humans.
snooggums@midwest.social 7 months ago
Oooh, I was ready to smash that downvote when I read the first sentence thinking you meant long covid was psychological and I’m glad you continued :)
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No, I’m just very opposed against the rise in anti-scientific, anti-evidence based belief that I’ve watched rise to a fever pitch in the last several decades. I try to call it out where ever I find it, but I also think its important to understand why people engage in this kind of conspiratorial thinking. I think we under estimate how much of it is truly out of our control. Its baked into our physiology. We want to believe and our bodies aren’t giving us much choice.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You know why
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The only unvaccinated person I know is dead. So I guess he doesn’t care.
derpgon@programming.dev 7 months ago
Well, he didn’t get any long term effects of COVID, besides death of course.
SPRUNT@lemmy.world 7 months ago
mustbe3to20signs@feddit.org 7 months ago
Yeah, it makes so much more sense that doctors, institutions and (enemy) governments conspired to… what? Poison people?
Way more plausible than a new virus causing a autoimmune condition already observed to be triggered by other viruses for centuries.LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Literally 1984
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Okay, well, they don’t.
Fah_Q@lemmynsfw.com 7 months ago
I think your a dumb fuck.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Brave 🤣
BigMacHole@lemm.ee 7 months ago
AGREED! There was ZERO cases of Long Covid until AFTER people EVENTUALLY started getting the JAB!
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nobody cares when two wilfully ignorant people agree. Just FYI.
frunch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Apes together strong lol
The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Hahaaaa! Got’em!
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Vaccines*
There was more than one, but none of them were unusual in composition.
Long COVID is the permanent health proplems which people suffer after having COVID. So how the fuck can it be caused by the vaccine?! Which all studies shows REDUCES the severity of COVID, in terms of temporary and permanent effects, both.
Even the “Pfizer admits myocarditis side effect” thing that made the rounds on social media last year, was a known side effect that someone tried to make seem like it had been kept secret or covered up, on only “officially” admitted to last year. It was on the list of potential side effects since 2021. It’s extremely rare, and suffering actual COVID has a far greater chance of causing the same complication.