‘Just switch to Linux’ isn’t a solution to a problem. It’s a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.
Comment on Microsoft in their infinite wisdom has replaced the Hide Desktop icon with Copilot.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.
Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.
mriormro@lemmy.world 7 months ago
shiftymccool@lemm.ee 7 months ago
When “this lemon is too sour” is the problem, maybe “here, try this orange” is the solution. Can you imagine responding like “No! People are always talking about oranges! I’m sick of it and won’t try one!” Ridiculous…
knexcar@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Trying an orange is a lot easier than creating a boot USB, copying all your files over to an external hard drive, installing a new OS, fixing weird things like the graphics card having crap performance or the laptop screen brightness not dimming, learning the weird 3 letter file structure, being bogged down by apt-get vs snaps vs flatpak and adding repos (why not search and download an .exe like a normal OS), realizing that your more specialized programs don’t work, etc.
Besides, it’s not just ONE person, seeming everyone says it every time a lemon has a scratch or a blemish or too many seeds. And then they dramatize it by calling it an “abusive relationship”.
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yup. I’m about over lemmy cause of this shit. Linux bros are worse than vegans.
AzureRT@reddthat.com 7 months ago
“or the screen brightness not dimming”
This. Have this issue on my laptop, tried to fix it, didn’t work. Not gonna bother with Linux now when I’ve had this issue happen to me both on said laptop and my desktop
I can see the appeal in Linux and wouldn’t mind continuing to use it, but I will stick with Windows because I am more familiar with it and because I play games that can only run on it (Not saying this part to you but just in general)
FoxBJK@midwest.social 7 months ago
OK well if you’re looking for the actual solution to the problem brought up in this thread… here: i.imgur.com/nHEcFG2r.png
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How much more practical it is to complain about users of a different system than the one the thread is about? It got to a point people are doing this preemptively even.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 7 months ago
I mean “Just fix Microsoft and change its direction to be less consistently hostile and disrespectful of users” is a solution…
“Put an end to the data and attention harvesting economy” is another.
…but…switching OSs was easier for me personally, until we figure out how to wrangle a tech behemoth or fix underlying problems with human civilization.
echodot@feddit.uk 7 months ago
As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It’s not like we don’t know it exists, we don’t need constantly reminding that it’s an option.
Although it isn’t an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don’t run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It’s tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If Linux is not for you that’s understandable. The thing here is that they are not having a conversation about Microsoft. They are having the pettiest, least technical possible discussion about Linux, it’s devolving to pure clique shit talking.
If you want to talk about Microsoft, just talk about Microsoft.
HKayn@dormi.zone 7 months ago
Problem is, whenever you try taking about Microsoft, someone just has to interject and be like “yeah you should be using Linux instead”
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 months ago
voodooattack@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
/s
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
And whenever someone mentions Linux, we have to take up 75% of the thread responding to it.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The Microsoft company is not happy with me–that’s okay, I’ll still keep downloading patches for that garbage.
Alborlin@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Or how about
- You can’t easily define what apps start with startup
- Even when wine is installed , lot of programs won’t run in wine
- You cannot easily find where the program is installed like you can in windows
- You attach a external disk but some apps won’t see it mounted making it Impossible to explore in their file picker , not all but some
- There is almost huge lack of programs , for which there is huge possibility that a windows program exists.
- There is constant need to use terminal for lot of things for which you can’t a program see point 4.
I keep telling Linux is still not for common home use for users who are in between power users and people only using it for browsing. This will get me downvotes here on Lemmy all the time . Linux edge lords are their own bubble.
icedterminal@lemmy.world 7 months ago
All but one of your points here appear to be your lack of understanding Linux and/or user error. Point 4 is understandable due to Windows just being the default and most popular choice.
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 7 months ago
And that’s exactly the fucking point. It’s a terrible idea to tell people to switch. Cause they don’t understand it.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 months ago
Even point 4 is something I have never experienced, and is probably also lack of understanding.
A filesystem is either mounted or it isn’t. Mounted for one program but not for another doesn’t exist. If they don’t see it in the filepicker, they probably just don’t know the mount point.
unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 7 months ago
- You can’t easily define what apps start with startup
For point 2, that is true and improving. Always do some research about program compatibility before completely changing your computer’s OS.
For point 3. Programs are generally installed in
/usr/binand~/.var/appfor Flatpaks (analogous to MS Store). Much easier than finding where MS store apps are installed.Never come across point 4, so I can’t dismiss it.
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As with 2, depends on your usecase
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GNOME Disk manager (comes with Fedora and Ubuntu) has options to mount drives to arbitrary locations if needed.
I understand your argument but making points like these don’t really contribute to the discussion.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Why is micro shit even the first choice? Go ChromeOS or something cool. Smh
FoxBJK@midwest.social 7 months ago
Because MS puts work into backwards compatibility, so the business who paid someone to write an app for them 30 years ago can still use it today on a Win11 box. No shot of that happening on macOS, who has deprecated PowerPC and 32-bit support, and Linux is just too much of a wildcard.
CustodialTeapot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their “passion” down everyone’s throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can “offer”.
Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Complaining about Linux and Linux users in every Windows-related thread, and you are doing it right now.
As a slight aside I am also sooo tired of people calling talking about something “shoving down our throats”. People talking about someone you don’t care for is not physically assaulting you. That expression seems to exist solely for people to wind themselves up over stuff that absolutely doesn’t justify that level of outrage.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
It’s shoving down throats when Linux is brought up in every single Windows discussion. The complaints about Linux are in response to Linux users never being able to just let it lie, people aren’t just bitching in a void.
This is absolutely not people being mad for people just talking about something. I have an extremely hard time believing you truly believe that is the issue here.
There are countless places to discuss Linux without bringing it into the comments of every Windows post. Windows users are not commenting on every post in the Linux communities about how much more straightforward running Windows is.
It would be like vegan eaters commenting about how good it is to be vegan on every post in food communities that features non-vegan food.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Lol this is a thread that was started because of a minor cosmetic windows issue, where the proposed solution in the original post is to switch to Linux.
It’s Linux users shitting on Windows to begin with… With the response being essentially “Linux doesn’t meet my needs”.
I used to think evangelicals were bad, but this is a whole new level…
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Fanbase because the philosophy is based on owning your computer. If some asshole you don’t know needs your trust to run their closed-source-no-one-really-knows-what-it-actually does inside what is no longer really your computer just because you paid for it then here…here’s a dum-dum. Hands you a sucker.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Will maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is completely switching operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.
Zetta@mander.xyz 7 months ago
I would say “notoriously flakey hardware support” is a false statement these days
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.
But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Nope. And that’s the problem and why people like us tell the Linux fan boys to fuck off.
Zetta@mander.xyz 7 months ago
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Well in my personal experience it has been rock solid
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ah yes notoriously flakey hardware support. Like Microsoft doesn’t used it to power their entire cloud platform. The hardware support argument is dying tbh used to be true about 20 years ago
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.
But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!
voodooattack@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Maybe try another distro?
Also I’m curious. What distro were you testing with?
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
I guess people downvoting you are thinking of Brother printers, AMD graphics cards and Intel WiFi cards. Sure, it’s great when you have the right hardware, but what if you don’t. I’ve banged my head against Optimus and Broadcom, until I learned to be extra picky when buying a laptop.
HKayn@dormi.zone 7 months ago
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people spam “USE LINOOX INSTEAD!”
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
- Switched to Linux years ago
- Sometimes I need to help a friend or do professional work for someone else’s komputer
- I am annoyed about some stupid Windows thing I have to deal with
- People tell me to switch to Linux
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Fuck linux, the’ve had 30 years to make a consumer grade product but NoooOOooo all the devs spend their energy making 50 different weakly compatible distros that no one needs.
I’ll say it again, fuck linux. Fuck linux and its shitty community of elitist basement trolls.
Twitches@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Maybe the mods wouldn’t be an asshole to you if you didn’t act like one yourself
veniasilente@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Are you ok?
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Lol holy persecution complex, batman… This is a thread shitting on Windows.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You’d think but here we have your annoying ass throwing insults at someone you think uses Linux.
uSpetzWon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can’t shut up about it. And they don’t realize that using Linux doesn’t make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.
SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I love Linux, but it’s extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying “Use Linux!”. As if Linux doesn’t have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 months ago
People be like:
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TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
tbf I get it. Sometimes you just want to be mad.
But like, it’s Microsoft’s fault.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
Or Adobe, Autodesk, Nvidia, etc.
HKayn@dormi.zone 7 months ago
“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”
“Drop it and get an iPhone instead”
This is what you guys are like.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 months ago
When people tell you to use Linux, they’re not telling you that to solve your immediate problem (e.g. your “show desktop” icon has been replaced with a different icon), but they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft, because that is the real problem: Microsoft does not respect you, the end-user of their product, and this kind of abusive shit will keep happening for as long as you keep using Windows.
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Who asked you for help with our relationship? I believe someone complained about a random feature change. And here you are. Telling everyone to just fuck off and switch completely. It’s insane.
HKayn@dormi.zone 7 months ago
And how well has that worked so far?
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 7 months ago
More like:
“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”
“Here’s a custom ROM you can install instead” (but also glosses over a lot of the finer decisions that go into whether or not to choose to run a custom ROM)
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 months ago
iPhone is $999+, Linux is completely free.
capital@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s funny this meme of iPhones being expensive is still a thing.
The cheapest one is under $450.
long_chicken_boat@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
you don’t have to pay for a +1000$ device to switch to Linux. In most cases, you can just install it in the same machine you have Windows.
It’s more like replacing Samsung’s Android ROM with a custom ROM. Sure, you’ll have to learn new things to use it, but you don’t have to buy an iPhone.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’d argue that’s still not a very good comparison, because for ROMs you have to go through the trouble of researching the specific method for your phone brand, model, & firmware version, learning adb, unlocking the bootloader, flashing a custom recovery, then from there you can install a custom ROM. Then if you fuck up you have to figure out how to debrick the device.
While Linux(user friendly distros specifically) is just burning an ISO to a USB, possibly changing 1 or 2 settings in the BIOS & booting from that USB, then just clicking through a graphical installer like calamares. The barrier to entry is drastically smaller.
capital@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I get what you’re saying but I just want to point out that the lowest cost iPhone is under $450.
prole@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Nah, I switched to Linux last year and it cost me $0. No new hardware needed. So not a good metaphor.
HKayn@dormi.zone 7 months ago
You misunderstood what the metaphor was.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It does sometimes feel like a guy with face scars from an exploded Samsung reaching for another Samsung while saying “I hope they’ve made improvements”
veniasilente@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Lol you wish Linux was an equivalent to an iPhone in this analogy. Pretty analogy from you.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Linux isn’t a solution if you play competitive multiplayer games, which most people do.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
What??? Do you have a statistic on this like does most of the population of earth play call of street fortnite 20 or whatever “competitively”?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think you are confusing “professionally” and “competitively”. Anyone playing to win is being competitive.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 months ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Lolwhut?
Most people who play competitive multiplayer games (a minority of total users) do so on console
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
“But the controller is an inferior aiming device”
“Yeah and the foot is an inferior ball handling device, but soccer still exists as a game”
iN8sWoRLd@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m upvoting you because I know what you’re trying to say. Personally I don’t have a lot of time to game anymore but I vote with my wallet and I try to only buy games on steam that are linux native. I have found a lot of great indy games this way and I don’t feel like I’m “missing out”. Still, I get it.
CheesyFox@lemmy.world 7 months ago
there are 3 billion people playing videogames, most of them playing casual af shit like candy crush (explodingtopics.com/blog/number-of-gamers).
About “competitive” multiplayer games: have you tried proton? I myself was sticking with Windows untill i eventually tried it.
Linux is not a solution if you have a skill issue. The longer people have this kind of mindset you have, the longer Microsoft will pretend to be a monopolist, the longer they will behave like total shitheads towards their customers.
btr_fan87@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Is proton also a work around for easy anti-cheat now?
prole@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Lol yeah “most people” definitely do not play competitive multiplayer games. Are the other children in your friend group literally the only other humans you’ve ever met?
long_chicken_boat@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
“most people” = “most teens”. I don’t know any adult that plays competitive multiplayer games other than maybe CSGO.
caron@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I am not sure if most people play competitive multiplayer games
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Sounds like something a Bronze leaguer would say
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Fair, but also depends on which one’s.
veniasilente@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Care to cite sources for that? Haven’t seen people playing “competitive multiplayer games” from most people in a while, now.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Fuck off sealion
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
You probably live in some weird outlier community. 88% of Americans are competitive gamers now.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I don’t think this meme applies here. The person who’s mad isn’t the one using Windows. They got mad about a “problem” someone else was having and decided to use it as an excuse to push Linux.
aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Exactly. The Linux bros are not offering a solution. They are the same people as the “just move” people. Annoying ass trolls.
Kyatto@leminal.space 7 months ago
But moving costs money, switching to linux costs nothing (if you don’t have free cloud storage or a second drive to backup and migrate important data, even then you could get one of those for cheap or free depending on your needs), and with how linux is these days there are distros that are as plug and play as windows for basic tasks that most people do, and a welcoming community and infinite resources to make learning curves small if you want to take on something more advanced. Further than that Linux can be more friendly, allowing easy configuration and GUIs to do things that would require “hacking” to do on windows or third party bloated applications.
I’m on a more advanced distro, but it’s basically easy-mode arch skipping the technical set up stage, and honestly it is not hard to pick up at all, if I did what I did on windows my experience would be roughly the same except I designed my own task bar set up and my PC has been running quieter and more efficiently, everything past that is me tailoring my experience past what a normal user would do.
I tried linux a decade ago and it was sluggish in the UI and didn’t have support for a lot of things but these days it feels 99% to what windows is for me with some extras. It’s time to switch for people on the fence, especially with the rapid enshittification of things.
echodot@feddit.uk 7 months ago
Your solution isn’t a solution though it’s like saying that the solution to drowning is to set yourself on fire. It’s just a different kind of problem.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 months ago
No it isn’t.
It’s more like saying: if that guy you hang out with keeps pushing you into the water and you almost drown every time, perhaps you should stop hanging out with that guy.
Of course, that’s not what people who are in an abusive relationship typically want to hear.
echodot@feddit.uk 7 months ago
It’s hardly a big deal, none of what Microsoft has done is really that annoying. Individually they are barely even noteworthy.
Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass to have to go through so Microsoft would have to do something seriously messed up for me to even want to put up with it. I’m not assuming that I could find equivalent programs that even ran on Linux.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
“He’s always ready with a life preserver and a towel though”
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 months ago
And in this case they aren’t even drowning. They have a slightly annoying icon in the corner of their screen.