Monitors. It’s not there yet but imagine a world where you have like 8, 30-inch, 4k monitors in a giant grid and it costs like $600. That’s the endgame here. Get VR tech to the point where it’s better than buying physical displays for general productivity.
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originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
the ipod filled a hole in the market. wtf is this solving for?
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Though in that case, I’d rather have these virtual displays driven by my PC, not some bs apple ecosystem.
And their resolution and size are arbitrary. Those have meaning in the physical world because they are physical objects that need to have dimensions and must fit those pixels within that space. For virtual displays, it’s only limited by how much of your field of view would you like to dedicate to each display and how high is the resolution of your headset.
And this is only really scratching at the surface of what AR might be capable of. Why use virtual displays when windows could be displayed floating without a display? Why use windows when UI elements could be floating on their own? Why show a screen playing a video when you could render the video as a semi-transparent 3d scene happening around the viewer (other than the obvious "because it’s in video format, not 3d)?
That said, I’ll wait for someone else to do it since apple likes to take good ideas and simplify them down to the point of frustration.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah I don’t want Apple’s implementation either, just saying to the other guy where I thought the endgame was headed
AA5B@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Your vision starts with iVision. You can see that Apple is trying to do most of that. If the high priced niche product succeeds, everyone else will jump on that bandwagon and your vision is a few years away
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
the use cases ive seen would never use this, like 911. having run a 911 center, this product would never be implemented despite the 8 giant monitors at each station.
this is just an incredibly niche product, with very niche uses.. and realistically its a toy that might be also used by some very specific industries.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why not? it’s a lot more space efficient; it’s a lot more power efficient. The only thing holding it back is cost and comfort. I’m a developer rocking 4 monitors standard for work and I can absolutely imagine a world where I just have a desk, a keyboard, and a headset.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
its about use case. in a 911 center, for example, all people need immediate access to all information in the room... often personnel not sitting at that station it is a non-static environment for a plural audience.
and cost is not really an issue anymore. giant, flat screens are Dirt cheap. this will never, ever be cheaper than the equivalent. they have new monitor tech rolling out that is literally like wallpaper.
i just cannot envision a generic use case that would make it popular
bizzle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When the iPad came out everyone thought it was the dumbest thing ever 🤷♂️
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You can get that for $500 with the quest 3
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The resolution isn’t quite there yet, and I think the headset is too heavy to wear for 8hrs a day, 5 days a week (plus leisure if you’re a gamer or hobbyist)
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Quest 3 is light. 515 grams. Vision Pro is 600-650 grams.
Yes, pass through resolution isn’t there yet. Virtual monitor are fine though, especially large.
conciselyverbose@kbin.social 8 months ago
No you can't.
The resolution is not close to sufficient for a monitor with any meaningful amount of text on it. Your eyes will be bleeding in about 2 minutes.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 months ago
For pass-through monitor reading, yeah. 4MP won’t compare to the iVision’s 12MP. But “Quest generated” monitors are perfectly fine, especially if you blow them up to 8 feet.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t understand how that would work, I work a lot across multiple spreadsheets and looking from screen to screen is ideal. Moving my eyes to look from division to seems straining.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You wouldn’t just move your eyes you’d move your head the same as you’d do at a desk. That’s the tracking part of the headsets
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 8 months ago
From what randos on the net have said the next closest headset that doesn’t require a computer to operate costs $5k+ so from an enterprise standpoint they could more cost efficient there. So apparently it might appeal to the enterprise market.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I have seen much dumber, much more expensive tech in the wild in offices.
If it lives up to the hype, it could replace 2-3 desktop monitors (or convince some executives it can, anyway). It’s about the same price as two Apple Studio Displays. I’ve seen offices with very expensive standard equipment. $3500 per employee isn’t all that much to begin with if it’s legitimately useful.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
I’m just genuinely confused by the value proposition. $3500 seems to be about a 1000% Apple Tax over comparable tech. I’m sure the interface will be slightly nicer, but the Venn diagram of those who need the unique benefits of Apple’s product overlapping those who have this much money to spend has to be very small. For business or personal use.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 8 months ago
$3500 seems to be about a 1000% Apple Tax over comparable tech.
Do you have an example of comparable tech?
conciselyverbose@kbin.social 8 months ago
There is no comparable tech.
You can't get just a headset with comparable resolution, without the high quality low latency passthrough or the computer), for meaningfully less.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Except an employee leaves and a new one doesn’t mind using used monitors. Try that with a stinky used headset.
potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The best explanation I’ve seen is it would be nice on airplanes so you can watch movies and not have to awkwardly scrub past everything that might offend the toddlers behind you.
noride@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Sony has had a product like that for over a decade. HMZ-T1
PoopMonster@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah but you can’t flex without an apple logo you dingus.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Old hype
pearable@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Admitably I have too much money, but I might buy one of these in a few years as a monitor replacement. Depends on how good it is and how good the alternatives are
excitingburp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Here’s the state of the art VR: www.bigscreenvr.com. You’d need that plus Valve base stations and controllers, so about $1500 total. It’s miles ahead of anything anyone else is offering, especially Apple. You can’t demo it to others though, it really does only work for the person that it’s made for.
pearable@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’ve seen the LTT video on that. Trouble is I’d need a computer to power it since my work computer struggles as it is. I work from home and the office and being able to use it in both environments would be helpful. Base stations are a pain in the ass to setup when you want to switch location a couple times a week.
One of the standalone headsets make a lot more sense for my use case. I’ve been thinking about getting a quest 3 but I need to use one to see if the fidelity is good enough. I wish there was a linux based headset I could tinker with but the VR market is still young. Hopefully Valve will pull a steam deck in VR.
qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 8 months ago
To be fair, a lot of people were wondering the same thing when the iPad was announced. Now there’s like a billion of them out there.
ji17br@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
They were wondering that for the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the Apple Watch, and AirPods. I’d bet that in 10 years a decent portion of the population will have some sort of headset, Apple or otherwise.
herrvogel@lemmy.world 8 months ago
None of those had a point nearly as questionable as this headset thing. The ipod was an advanced mp3 player, which was very popular and common tech at the time. The iPhone was an advanced phone with a large touchscreen, which was rapidly becoming very common at the time. The iPad was an advanced tablet, which was a concept that had already been tried many times by many other companies by then. The air pods are just advanced wireless earbuds, which nobody could ever deny were rapidly becoming more popular.
VR headsets are fundamentally different from all of those, in that there’s no technological and social precedence quite like it. People used mp3 players and watches and phones before Apple did something new, but the history of humankind says nothing about the masses’ willingness to walk around in public with big ass high tech ski goggles strapped to their faces. VR is much, much more unknown compared to those.
ji17br@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I get what you’re saying, and regarding people walking around in public wearing a headset, I completely agree. It’ll be a very long time before that happens, if ever.
I disagree that AR won’t become more ubiquitous in people’s lives. Right now, the biggest gripe I see when people talk about Vision Pro is the price. Which was also the case with all the other Apple products I mentioned. The price will come down, it’ll get more features, and it will become more attractive to consumers.
Only time will tell which of us will be right.
Eggyhead@kbin.social 8 months ago
If you have a computer space with multiple monitors with various equipment interfacing with it cluttering up a desk at your home, imagine all of that just completely gone, cleaned up, with nothing there but a recliner and a headset.
I think this is the value proposition. The price is too high for me, but I don’t think there’s anything to be confused about. The smart watch and iPad took more for me to wrap my head around than this.
scarabic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We can argue that this product has no continuity with anything anyone has ever used, or we can admit that it is a new kind of immersive screen for a world where people are absolutely hooked to screens. It’s pretty simple.
And the very concept of virtual reality has been an inevitability for decades. This is something people have been fantasizing about for a long time, thought they underestimated the technical challenges and limitations of it all. We’re getting close to overcoming most of them now.
While the whole world laughs at Mark Zuckerburg, Occulus headsets are selling in rapidly increasing numbers. They sold more headsets in 2021 than Microsoft sold Xboxes. So to use your own words, yes, this product is a foray into a space that is rapidly growing in popularity.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 8 months ago
People understood what the iPhone was about immediately. Heck, they knew before it was even announced.
Same for the Apple Watch…ish. People didn’t know exactly what area it would end up focusing on, but the idea of getting and responding briefly to notifications without getting your phone out has always been appealing.
AirPods people have, again, always understood the appeal of. People are/were just angry at the option of using wired headphones being taken away.
ji17br@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I mean, yeah, you can find people who believed in them. But the general consensus around all those products was they are too expensive, don’t offer any meaningful upgrades over current tech, or are just useless and no one will want them.
I’ve been reading MacRumours forums since before the iPhone launch and it’s always the same thing regarding new products. Without using them, people can have an hard time seeing the positives. I think that issue is even bigger now with the Vision Pro.
scarabic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Occulus sold more headsets than Microsoft sold Xboxes. And that’s 2021. x.com/JackSoslow/status/1471549480595955716?s=20
ji17br@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Wow I never would have guessed. Very cool! Thanks for the info.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
They were wondering why the iPad wasnt a keyboardless mac instead of an oversized phone. Not why it existed.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
no, they werent. the ipad replaced the netbooks everyone wsa using until tablets became viable. again, an actual use case for a product.
theyve been pushing these headsets for years now, and theyve gained little traction and not solved any of the common problems.
anyone who thinks this is will some popular thing everyone will be doing is smokin the reefer, or just not paying attention
Pepsi@kbin.social 8 months ago
do you seriously think retail consumers are the demographic Apple is trying to capture right now?
talk to some creative professionals & craftsmen. my company used to work with hololens on a regular basis but there way too much jank in how it performed in a live setting. If the Vision Pro provides even the same level of utility but manages to make live object rendering & tracking consistent and reliable, they’re going to sell truckloads. Hollywood alone has probably 100 different ways to use this tech to slim creative workflows and save time (and therefore money) on set.
MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How is retail not their demographic? All the marketing for this thing has people sitting on the couch, watching movies, viewing their children’s photos in 3D, relaxation and meditation, taking photos with the headset on at a kids birthday, playing NBA 2K24, browsing news, spacial audio. Even the work stuff is pushing things like FaceTime and virtual screens. If retail consumers aren’t their demographic someone should let the marketing department know
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
nope, i think this will sellout to their core audience, the 1%s. its just funny many people think they are part of that number.
but my point is, this isnt a mass market device. its not a new ipad or iphone... this is an imac. a niche product for their niche audience.
Nurgle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Reddit clowned soooo hard on the iPad when it was launched.
dpkonofa@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How have they been “pushing these headsets for years” considering that we’re literally discussing the launch of this product?
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
The giant thing on my head that's spose to help...ar/vr...
This is unnecessary technical debt compared to what is already in place. It solves no current problem in my space.
But hey, maybe it will work for your niche use case
aluminium@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The iPad always made 100% sense to me. The first Smartphones were fun and just joyful to use for simple Tasks. A lot of stuff was managed at a system level and Apps and games at the time were genuinely made very well and were great to play / use to use. Also keep in mind that at the times phones were at best 4". So getting the same experience on a much bigger screen always made sense to me.
Its only now that people try to use these things as a laptop replacement where they fall apart. But i.m.o. that was never the point and people got gaslit by marketing to believe that using a tablet as laptop replacement is viable.