Comment on How decentralized Bluesky is compared to the Fediverse.

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  It’s where the useful idiots are being herded.

  They are using it because it’s “not twitter” and other people are influencing them.

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• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because silicon valley thinks it can define reality however it wants and keep telling us not to believe our lying eyes.

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Does it? None of my normie progressive friends are on the fediverse.

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The tech press is talking to your normie friends?

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      • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No I’m saying the logic and propaganda of corporate social media seems to work on them, despite it being in obvious contrast to their ideals.

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• tfm@europe.pub ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So why does everyone keep referring to Bluesky as decentralized or even comparable to the fediverse

  They call it marketing, I call it propaganda.

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  • Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    "It's the same picture."

    Always has been. The only difference is what they're selling.

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I feel like this speaks to an unchallenged myth in our society. That corporate organizations and government organizations are somehow completely categorically different from one another such that they exist in totally separate spheres of reality. But they’re both political groups of people, exercising power over the peasants. It’s not as different as people think. And they often have similar goals and use similar strategies, like propaganda, to achieve them.

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• roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because, despite being wildly impractical, it’s technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized. Only recent a new PDS launched called Black sky. So it is no longer just one host. But it’s been one host for so long it almost doesn’t matter because so few people will switch.

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  • tomenzgg@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Technically, yes, if you squint; but, practically, no. It was designed with a prioritization of passing the information/data around to avoid any lack of missing anything (so you get a closer experience to the connectedness of Twitter than Mastodon) which means every instance hosts, basically, the entire world. Naturally, there’s only going to be a few entities that can store and afford to store the entirety of the data of the network. There’s no such thing as a small instance, in their protocol.

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  • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because, despite being wildly impractical, it’s technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized.

    Yes exactly, it reminds me of the logic of cryptocurrency boosters. I just found out that the bluesky CEO (not to mention jack dorsey) are both crypto advocates so it makes a lot more sense now.

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  • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Doesn’t BS have things in it’s software that are hard coded to the main server, so it’s not possible to make a completely independent host at the moment?

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    • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They continue to control 100% of the relays so they can control what servers are connected to the others.

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      • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Blacksky runs their own relay

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      • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l

        A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month

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    • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The PLC registry is the only such thing, and also it’s not a blocker because you can use the DID:Web scheme to manage your own account identity

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• hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So why does everyone keep referring to Bluesky as decentralized or even comparable to the fediverse

  Parrot the marketing hyperbole.

  The enshitification continies.

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• Kirk@startrek.website ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t understand it at all. Where are all the supposed blueskys? It’s so easy to fact check.

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• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because people who are Bluesky fanatics tend to be tech illiterate and are easily swayed by vibes and marketing.

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• irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because it is decentalised, and beats the fediverse in many aspects.

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  • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s not:

    In July 2024, running a Relay on ATProto already required 1 terabyte of storage. But more alarmingly, just a four months later in November 2024, running a relay now requires approximately 5 terabytes of storage. That is a nearly 5x increase in just four months, and my guess is that by next month, we’ll see that doubled to at least ten terabytes due to the massive switchover to Bluesky which has happened post-election. As Bluesky grows in popularity, so does the rate of growth of the expected resources to host a meaningfully participating node.

    dustycloud.org/…/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

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    • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hey, that’s a blog post from months ago. It no longer applies, hosting a relay can be done for $34 a month now.

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    • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They fixed the large cache needed to validate all traffic on your own relay. Now the cost is mostly bandwidth and whatever CPU power you want to spend on indexing

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