So why does everyone keep referring to Bluesky as decentralized or even comparable to the fediverse
They call it marketing, I call it propaganda.
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ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
So why does everyone keep referring to Bluesky as decentralized or even comparable to the fediverse
Bluesky is the newest iteration of privately owned and controlled social media
tfm@europe.pub 3 weeks ago
Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
"It's the same picture."
Always has been. The only difference is what they're selling.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
I feel like this speaks to an unchallenged myth in our society. That corporate organizations and government organizations are somehow completely categorically different from one another such that they exist in totally separate spheres of reality. But they’re both political groups of people, exercising power over the peasants. It’s not as different as people think. And they often have similar goals and use similar strategies, like propaganda, to achieve them.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because, despite being wildly impractical, it’s technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized. Only recent a new PDS launched called Black sky. So it is no longer just one host. But it’s been one host for so long it almost doesn’t matter because so few people will switch.
Kirk@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
Because, despite being wildly impractical, it’s technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized.
Yes exactly, it reminds me of the logic of cryptocurrency boosters. I just found out that the bluesky CEO (not to mention jack dorsey) are both crypto advocates so it makes a lot more sense now.
tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Technically, yes, if you squint; but, practically, no. It was designed with a prioritization of passing the information/data around to avoid any lack of missing anything (so you get a closer experience to the connectedness of Twitter than Mastodon) which means every instance hosts, basically, the entire world. Naturally, there’s only going to be a few entities that can store and afford to store the entirety of the data of the network. There’s no such thing as a small instance, in their protocol.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Doesn’t BS have things in it’s software that are hard coded to the main server, so it’s not possible to make a completely independent host at the moment?
roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They continue to control 100% of the relays so they can control what servers are connected to the others.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Blacksky runs their own relay
Natanael@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l
A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month
Natanael@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
The PLC registry is the only such thing, and also it’s not a blocker because you can use the DID:Web scheme to manage your own account identity
humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 2 weeks ago
It’s where the useful idiots are being herded.
They are using it because it’s “not twitter” and other people are influencing them.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Would have been nice if they went to Mastodon, but I wouldn’t call them idiots. I don’t use that media format, but if there isn’t a lot of users there, I cant see the service being that useful to the users who do go there. It’s like Lemmy struggles with niches. Not enough people, want to find something or ask someone about something, you’ll hit a wall and find yourself looking for results elsewhere. Someday hopefully, but that movement from Twitter would have been a great time for activity pub to shine if it hadn’t gotten skipped over
knexcar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why should they care about decentralization anyway? Isn’t number of users and ease of content discovery far more important?
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
So why does everyone keep referring to Bluesky as decentralized or even comparable to the fediverse
Parrot the marketing hyperbole.
The enshitification continies.
Kirk@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
I don’t understand it at all. Where are all the supposed blueskys? It’s so easy to fact check.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Because it is decentalised, and beats the fediverse in many aspects.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
It’s not:
In July 2024, running a Relay on ATProto already required 1 terabyte of storage. But more alarmingly, just a four months later in November 2024, running a relay now requires approximately 5 terabytes of storage. That is a nearly 5x increase in just four months, and my guess is that by next month, we’ll see that doubled to at least ten terabytes due to the massive switchover to Bluesky which has happened post-election. As Bluesky grows in popularity, so does the rate of growth of the expected resources to host a meaningfully participating node.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Hey, that’s a blog post from months ago. It no longer applies, hosting a relay can be done for $34 a month now.
Natanael@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
They fixed the large cache needed to validate all traffic on your own relay. Now the cost is mostly bandwidth and whatever CPU power you want to spend on indexing
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Because Bluesky claims that they want to develop their relay tech into a standard like HTTPS or something, and then hand it off to a nonprofit to maintain so that it’s usable by everyone. The tech has the possibility to be decentralized/federated baked into it, but whether or not it will be anything other than a pipe dream/marketing hype has yet to really be seen.
They present themselves as basically a Lemmy.world equivalent to those who care about decentralization, which is not a significant portion of their user base. For most people it’s just a buzzword, I believe.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Wasn’t there a similar promise made by Reddit at some point? I remember people referring it to often until it became just some myth … and then at one point, people just realized it was never going to change and then it became a full blown private corporation that wanted an IPO and became a monolith that never even considered sharing anything.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I honestly have no idea, that would be going much farther back in Reddit’s history than I was on the platform for. It reminds me of Google’s “Don’t Be Evil” motto, though. It’s true until somebody realizes that there’s a lot of money to be made doing the thing that you said you wouldn’t do.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Because people who are Bluesky fanatics tend to be tech illiterate and are easily swayed by vibes and marketing.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Because silicon valley thinks it can define reality however it wants and keep telling us not to believe our lying eyes.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Does it? None of my normie progressive friends are on the fediverse.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
calling people normies tends to do that
Kirk@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
The tech press is talking to your normie friends?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
No I’m saying the logic and propaganda of corporate social media seems to work on them, despite it being in obvious contrast to their ideals.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not weird at all; this was the case with cryptocurrency too. Otherwise qualified and intelligent people would invest in centralized scam coins because they had no understanding of economics, just tech.
It’s sad but cool that it works the same way with social capital.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Intelligence and expertise is worth pursuing for the benefit that comes from learning for the sake of learning, but it is true that there is a danger to knowing more and more about something in that it becomes more and more seductive to believe that the thing you are in expert in is a key to understanding everything else and that this gives you a righteous vantage to look down upon the genius of others and judge from afar.