I still love how everyone acts like America is the only racist country on the planet.
Woht24@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Why do they have to be black? America is bizarrely obsessed with race, I’ve never seen anything like it both in person and on the internet.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
We wanted to pretend it was ending ourselves until 2016.
Eagle0110@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
[deleted]ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Or ask a European about their feelings on gypsies and watch them pull out some of the darkest shit you’ve ever heard.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What’s really fun is that “gypsys” can refer to two entirely different groups of people, both hated out of pure bigotry.
Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
While the EU acts more like one country than the US we are not a single country. So it vastly differentiates from country to country.
Asking people about gypsies will either bring out the worst or they will correct you and say that calling them Gypsies is like calling a black person Niger. Romani is the preferred term btw.
Elrecoal19_0@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
As long as they aren’t assholes idc, I have had white/white-ish (if you consider Spain genrally white, which some don’t lmao) “friends” that are way worse than gypsies or moroccans (which are other ones that are mentioned often).
geissi@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
I’m not entirely sure, what you’re advocating for.
There are Turkish supermarkets, restaurants, döner stalls, and barbers all over the place.
I also know a Turkish electrician, but I’ll go to him when I need an electrician, not when I need a Turk.
lady_maria@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
TIL posting/having conversations about a characteristic of one country implies that you believe that no other countries have that same characteristic.
While I’m sure the fact that the dominance of US news and culture on the internet is probably really frustrating for non-Americans, it’s pretty natural for Americans (or anyone, really) to talk about our own country and experiences… especially while having to grapple with how things have been escalating here. You’re certainly free to share your own experiences.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Funny how I rarely hear about racism in other countries. Except when someone like me brings up that other countries are also extremely racist but it’s been so normalized it’s not newsworthy.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Can’t say I’ve ever seen people do that
Revonult@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I would prefer knowing my money is going to people who have been systematically disadvantaged for this nation’s entire history.
I suppose your post could imply other minorities could be included but they way I read your comment gives off big WLM energy.
Woht24@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yeah and I understand your thought process. However the entire point is to skip large corporations and buy food from local farmers. Again, why do they have to be black? Coming from a country not obsessed with race, the very mention of race prior to a product or service, seems strange and segregating in itself.
Race should just be taken out of it, support your farmers. That is my point.
And fuck off with the white lives matter shit. I would say the same shit to white farmers, Latino farmers etc. Race+service = bizarre.
prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Dude this is discrimination also. It’s like why do I have to pay for things that my gparents have done? This brings me to other questions such as how long do you will be “systematically disadvantaged”? I have seen those cases with my eyes: Afro has their college fees paid and they got paid for studying. he/her reproved. Do state retired the help? NO. They just had a talk with he/her and keep with aid. Meanwhile my mixed friend had to put gmother home as warrant to get a loan in order to pay the stupid college. I got enough with it.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Because they were kept poor, imprisoned, and abused until at least 1965. So the kids born in the 1950’s had the first real chance to go to college. In reality though red lining continued right up into the 1980’s, making sure black people couldn’t get access to services and jobs because they were physically out of reach from the housing areas they had been pushed into decades prior. And job hiring racism still occurs to this day. It was in the 2010’s they did a study with applications that differed only by having an “ethnic” name or a “white” name.
So until black people can access the same opportunities as white people there needs to be support. Everyone wants to assume this shit ended in 1865 or 1965 but not only did it not, it’s still going on.
prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
So why do I have to pay what my ggparents have done to black people? I don’t think it works like this. My friend is a good example of discrimination also.
prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
They ALREADY have, you will not be ETERNAL VICTIMS
Lightor@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Guy said he wanted to help people so have been and still are supposed and you took that as discrimination? I guess if we don’t help everyone all at once we shouldn’t help anyone?
prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
No, my point is what criteria are using to help? I feel it should be used not because you are black. For me should be done in meritocratic order: First the extremely poor yet good students, second the poor yet good students, third excellent students ON ANY ECONOMIC SITUATION. Not because black or LGBT or because you are women…
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Nobody alive has lived through this nation’s entire history
MangoCats@feddit.it 4 weeks ago
NorthEast Florida has: www.melanatedgrowersinc.com
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Because they still get shut out of opportunities based solely on their skin color, names, and application photos. So they work together to create their own opportunities and are rightfully proud of that. America can stop worrying about race when we finally end racism.
gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 4 weeks ago
Do you ever stop to consider that it may be exactly because of your obsession with the skin tone of people, that you have so much racism?
Try imagining being just as obsessed about eye colors. It seems ridiculous right?
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It does seem ridiculous to me. But we tried that. In the 1980’s and 1990’s they made talking about race a social taboo. You just didn’t talk about it. The only effect was to freeze racism in place while white people congratulated themselves on solving it because they didn’t hear about it anymore.
So it turns out that in order to fight racism you have to talk about it and give financial support to the class that’s been oppressed.
PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You get out of here you SOCIALIST. How dare you suggest we even the playing field for the people who we took opportunities away from for hundreds of years!
gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 4 weeks ago
I am not saying you should just ignore it, or making it taboo. But Americans have gone to the very extreme version where skin-tone apparently has to determine who you are. It seems you have made it taboo not to define yourself by your skin-tone.
I truly do not understand how you cannot see the problems with that.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
Do you have a recent example of someone who was denied an opportunity, that is afforded to everyone, based solely on their race?
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
2024 hiring link, PDF Warning, EDU domain
The studies go on and on. The sheet brigade may not march in your town anymore but they’re still in positions of power pushing down on minorities.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
I didn’t doubt it’s still happening somewhere; just curious how wide spread it is. I read the third link. It was interesting. I wasn’t aware the Justice department spent almost 2.5 years going after lenders.
Woht24@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That’s the mentality that perpetuates it though
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Alright let’s break this down Barney style. You have group A and group B. Group A decides to pelt Group B with oranges every time they leave their house. So Group B moves in together and buys communal umbrellas to live as unmolested as possible. And you think that is perpetuating Group A’s conduct.
Woht24@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You don’t get it buddy, but that’s alright. Best of luck to you.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
It’s because America is obsessed with race, and has systematically attempted to demolish black economic power from the foundation of the society, that people may choose to shop this way.
Woht24@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yeah sure, but you’re just perpetuating. It should just be ‘buy from local American farmers’, race shouldn’t be a thing.
constantturtleaction@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Intentionally buying from black owned businesses does not perpetuate a racist white man that is in a position of power that allows him to deny black people economic power.
Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Fighting racism with more racism.
3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
This is why im gonna teach my future kids to bully white kids like I was, they need to understand /s I got them sent to juvie that was good enough for me lol, fight racism with the law, give them a criminal record and get them thrown out of school, way more satisfying
3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
For context so mfs dont defend my old bullies they were 5 years older, would surround me and call me a terrorist (I was in 3rd grade) They eventually escalated and spat on my grandpa when he noticed them fking with me, he chased them and fell, and cops got called. They did this shit for like a month before anyone noticed, I was scared theyd actually beat me up if I told my parents. It was 5 white teens and one indian me, Idk any white kids that had to deal with that shit, I was being called a terrorist before I knew what it was.
Agent641@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This is like, 50% the value of pissing off people in power.
88leo@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
the democrats have built their entire brand around performative racial justice where everything they do is designed to appeal to different groups. Its super toxic and while I am vehemently anti-racist this tokenization of policy is counter productive and the reason why a lot of people reject the democrats as “racist”
taanegl@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Bro, the US wins world champions in racism. There are ethno-nationalists in India that think Americans take it too far.
It’s also important to note that POC, black people or melenated people (take your pick - i.e Pakistani and some Indians are PoC) are not exempt from being racist.
In fact, if you suffer racism there’s a chance you’ll then turn racist, because it triggers pack instinct, paranoia, group think - etc. Humans gonna hume. “You’re claiming reverse racism” - bitch, did I stutter? Racism is racism is racism is racism.
That being said, zoning laws are still CRT based and some neighbourhoods in the US only get the most basic super markets - if even that.
“All I see is church, church, liquor store” - Black Milk.
If black people need access to raw produce in areas they can’t get access to it, then I think it’s completely acceptable. Sad, but acceptable.
I could also see a bunch of Karens buying out the stock so that they can brag that they eat “black produce”, effective depriving black children of proper produce.
To err is human, and also be awful is human, and also racism… is human, and also (say it with me now):
Humana gonna hume. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think this is downvoted because people don’t realize the face of modern racism.
taanegl@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Naw, it’s probably because they define racism as actual systemic oppression and not the psychology behind racism - which is dumb, because the latter leads to the former.
But it’s also a question of yankie ire. - i.e the Ugly American. No lie, you’ll meet Africans who have the darkest skin who say they aren’t black or identify as black, simply because they don’t want it to override, generalize and trivialise their own people group’s unique identity and culture.
Then some yankie fuck will lose their ever loving mind and call it racist because they won’t placate to either Pan-Africanism, black nationalism or black erhno-nationalism, as if that’s somehow positive, even though white nationalism isn’t, nor is Pan-Europeanism… the last point I added, because FUCK off if you can me Mediterranean.
Like boy, are you calling me french? Bitch, I’m Nordic. Me and Habibi will slap the shit out of you with a muttom kebab for making that comparison. Like we still have honor and pride in adoption and there are plenty of melanated Nordics today because of it, while yankies have adoption auctions?
Like my brother in Christ, what even is this vile act? Your selling kids like vintage furniture? Are you sick in the head? “Oh, but that’s a white people thing”… again, I’m not fucking wHite then, am I? Because that shit would be fucking dishonourable to my people. Sometimes there are adoption scandals and it hits national news… but sanctioned, legal adoption auctions? Wtf.
People also immigrate, which is fine, since you want people to have the freedom to migrate. Can’t have it one way and not the other. And besides, I love my countrymen, of all shapes, sizes and hue of skin, and I damn sure don’t identify as wHite, because that’s how they got the circus over the pond going completely Texas.
Somehow it seems Americans just wanna make everything pink slime. You need to be put into the people group grinder so that you conform to your identity blob. You shall be pigeon holed, you shall be boxed in, you shall be stereotyped.
Honestly though, I’m racist against yankies - or I’m turning racist against yankies. I’m getting so sick and tired of their bullshit, brainrot, CRT and broad generalizations.
Build the wall - keep those fuckers in.
((And they say irony is dead - you can down vote this dick))
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
Americans always think they have the market cornered on everything. As if slavery and racism didn’t exist until the 18th century.
taanegl@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Right? Gah!
TheFunkyPickle@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Because uh… Orange man hates black people or something…
eyelevel@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sure, it can seem on the surface like wanting to support people of a particular race is in itself a kind of racism, or at least a situation that emphasizes unfair distinctions.
Unfortunately, race does still matter in America, even if we personally disagree with it or want to ignore it. The health and economic research data make it very clear that people of color in America, especially black people, experience harder lives in almost every category. This is due to both recurring experiences of present-day prejudice and discrimination, as well the inter-generational impacts of wealth inequality and psychological trauma.
You might already know about this, but redlining is one example of the way that patterns of discrimination can creates a systemic effect, which, in turn, can impact the physical and financial effects on a family across time. These kinds of systemic effects can then make it harder for current generations of these families to recover and live safe lives today though, we personally might celebrate that the policy doesn’t exist anymore, and even though we personally might say that we don’t support people acting like that anymore.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
No one really has to do anything, but some people might choose to support groups of people or organizations who they think might have experienced similar kinds of hardships in their families, and might be glad to have a way to try to do something different with their money than give it to another multinational corporation every time.
Woht24@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Yeah I’ve heard these arguments. I still hold my opinion. America needs to move away from the race obsession.
SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Completely fair - do you have a counterargument? I’d be interested in hearing the other side.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Constantly talking about race makes race a topical issue.
echodot@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
Right but as far as I understand it the supermarkets and wholesalers screw all farmers over equally race isn’t a consideration.