A lunar eclipse! So it would be that instead of the red, dusky moon we get. I believe a solar eclipse would look the same on earth if it was flat and the sun/moon were overhead. Different pattern though.
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Submitted 7 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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Neato@ttrpg.network 7 months ago
ech@lemm.ee 7 months ago
It would be more a square than a line, I believe, since the only way we’d see it is if it were facing the side of the planet we lived on. That is also assuming the shadow cast were smaller than the moon. If it were bigger, my guess is it’d look mostly the same, just with a flat line instead of a crescent during partiality.
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s assuming it’s a square. It could be a triangle… Or round, I guess.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
I don’t think flat earthers believe that earth is oriented like that.
And for that matter, I don’t think the majority of self proclaimed flat earthers actually believe earth is flat. I think they’re some kind of paid troll group or something.
Syd@lemm.ee 7 months ago
There’s a lot that actually believe the earth is flat. A disturbing amount of people have seriously tried to convince me of it. Same crowd that believes in chemtrails, or the moon is fake, or believe in reptilians. I always think they’re joking at first about the flat earth, sometimes they are, but when they bring up the ice wall they’re serious.
fishos@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Fyi, “chem trails”, or “cloud seeding”, as it’s actually called, is very much real. When you search by it’s real name, you’ll find programs going back to the 60s. California, for example.
MANY conspiracy theories are based on a shred of truth. UFOs are mostly classified craft(the Blackbird was one, once known as the UFO “Aurora”).
Flat Earth was just a group that liked to jokingly entertain crazy ideas for shits and giggles that got coopted by people who took the satire seriously.
We’d do ourselves a great service if we stopped seeing every issue in broad strokes and saw the nuance and context behind it. You’re no better with your rant broadly denouncing a wide array of topics.
cobra89@beehaw.org 7 months ago
Lol did the ice wall “theory” even exist before game of thrones?
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
There’s a lot that actually believe the earth is flat. A disturbing amount of people have seriously tried to convince me of it.
And who are these people? And who are you? When did this happen?
I still believe that flat earthers are a group of trolls being paid by some corporation or something to just clutter up online spaces with as much bullshit as possible to make people talking about real conspiracies that are actually happening look like lunatics.
“What? you think there weren’t any WMDs in Iraq? Do you think the earth is flat too?”
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
The proportion of flat earthers to people who talk about them is staggering. Post gets a downvote from me
Syd@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Sounds like something someone trying to spread round earth propaganda and discredit the true flat earth would say.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I do wonder if it’s something like the Birds Aren’t Real organized conspiracy; but snowballed out of control.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I always assumed it was something like that. A thought experiment that someone who wasn’t “in the know,” stumbled upon, latched onto, and created an entire subculture.
GCanuck@lemmy.world 7 months ago
As I understood it back in the old times…. The Flat Earth Society was a groups of logical rationalist who got together and for shits and giggles (as well as practicing rational debate) would pick an indefensible argument (eg. the earth is flat) and attempt to use rational arguments to support that indefensible claim.
Basically a rowdy drunk philosophers get together.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
but snowballed out of control.
I don’t think it “snowballed” out of control or whatever. I think that group is full of trolls that don’t believe what they say.
Each one of them is a black hole that eats all of your time while you try to debate them.
MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 7 months ago
pretty sure that there are actually people who do believe the earth is flat
but yeah AFAIK the model that most flat earthers use does not allow for either lunar nor solar eclipses , requiring a fourth object to cause the effect
hash0772@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
The flat earthers you see posting on social media, going on TV, making videos are conmen that are well-aware that the Earth is round, just trying to exploit people and make money off of this. The others are either trolls or ignorant people that actually believe the conmen.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
The others are either trolls or ignorant people that actually believe the conmen.
I think they’re all trolls that are part of some kind of agenda that will ultimately result in something like the ministry of truth from 1984, we almost got exactly that here in the US, they were going to call it “the board of misinformation”
And it turns out, as usual, the official narratives about many things the government and corporations were trying to control was all bullshit. And the people who got removed from social media for various reasons weren’t actually wrong about what they talked about.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
If the earth is flat, how thick is it?
Are we walking across a massive dinner plate, or standing on the end of a bit of cosmic re-bar?
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Centrifugal force moves the Earth’s mass outwards, so it’s thick at the edges and thin in the middle.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Hmm; so like a Frisbee? Do we live on top with the edges curling down, or on the bottom with the edges curling up? Maybe more like a pizza with really thick crust?
Can you see the edges if you stand in the middle?
ObsidianZed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Sooo… pizza. Got it.
marcos@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wait, it rotates?
Donkter@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s at least as thick as humans have drilled down cause we can see that. Probably another layer of artificially pressurized lava under that.
Er, I mean I yam beliefer in globe earth fellow cuckold. Pray tell, where is the nearest shit-eating station so I may sate myself on our governments…truths?
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
What d’ya suppose is on the other side?
EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 7 months ago
Are there any flat-moon conspiracy theorists? I feel like there’s way more evidence that the moon is flat. We see the same side all the time. If it were round, wouldn’t we see different parts of it? We’re supposed to believe that it’s a spheroid orbiting us at the exact rotational speed required so that the same side is facing us all the time? Be serious.
lemming@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
ech@lemm.ee 7 months ago
You’re drunk, Moon. Go home.
Artyom@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Dang, that’s honestly really compelling proof that the moon is round. I’m trying to think of things that aren’t definitively proved by this 5 second gig and I can’t think of any. Flat Earthers can’t even claim it’s fake, they can do this test themselves in their backyard.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 7 months ago
The wibbly wobbler.
Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 7 months ago
This made me briefly wonder if the flat earthers also think the sun revolves around the Earth, but then I remembered I don’t really care what they think. I wasted a not-insignificant portion of my late-20s and early-30s trying to reason with unreasonable people online. I’m done with that.
If anyone is curious where the real quacks hang out, check out evolutionfairytale.com. The forum is particularly juicy. If you are feeling particularly adventurous, try and join it and see how long it takes to get banned for “equivocating” (they love to accuse anyone advocating for real science of that one.)
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Saw a commercial on TV for the Ark Museum and I was flabbergasted.
Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Yeah. The staggering amount of waste indoctrinating young children to be scientifically illiterate and unemployable just because some idiots want to believe in their fairy tales. massive sigh
Raverbunny@aussie.zone 7 months ago
All I can see is the moon is PacMan
DeadNinja@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I hate you. How do I unsee that now?
daltotron@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You know flat earth is kind of a very interesting microcosm of beliefs, specifically because of how it intersects with every other conspiracy theory, but tends to be low-yield in it’s implications. It’s absurd enough to be kind of a foundational belief, it’s absurd enough to be believed in jest, but it also doesn’t, by itself, imply a kind of fully-formed worldview. It’s like believing that the moon is made of cheese, or something, it doesn’t really mean anything, by itself, but it’s also probably one of the more insane things you could postulate. You get a lot of diversity in the flat earth movement because of that.
You get people who are dedicated to JAQing off, basically just trolls, right. Those ones usually rely on the classic arguments about camera lenses warping everything. Then you get people who believe in a kind of extreme libertarian conspiracy theory, old school style, like, the types that really hate NASA and maybe think that CERN is doing some crazy shit, and those types tend to be a step further, and think that the photos are just faked. Then, that group has some overlap with the group of extremist fundamentalist evangelicals, who basically believe in weird warped versions of what medieval peasants believed, about the firmament and shit like that. You also get a good amount of people who believe in wacky shit like an ice wall, or just a big dome or something. Lots of misunderstanding of basic physics shit, and “common sense” solutions.
It’s like an alternative version of science, for the ultra-skeptical, and for the totally faithless, but then we sort of double back to the problem of not having anything to believe, and then the empty space gets filled in by pure-vibes based science shit. Probably a lot of it has to do with people just starting out disagreeing with the aesthetics of science communication and then going from there, I’d imagine.
I dunno, it always kind of reminds me of those stan accounts on twitter that end up quitting after fixing their houses’ collective gas leaks. It makes me wonder if this is just a kind of, horrible social media locus where the mentally ill are confined to their kind of online mental asylums, except instead of guards and people who try to give them medication, you just have malicious bad faith actors who are trying to drag the population around, to their own benefit.
It makes me wonder if mental illness is, in some form, actually contagious, and can be transmitted like more conventional diseases. Overall, it kind of makes me think that the top-down structure of this whole internet thing doesn’t really make any sense, and should probably be governed in a more sensible way, because the libertarian-anarchist free speech for all idealist approach of the early internet seems like it’s just gonna lead to situations like that, where nutters hang around with each other and feed into each other’s illnesses, and kinda get to the point where nobody can really talk them out of it. But then maybe that’s all putting the cart before the horse, and realistically these people just need more intervention in their physical lives, and them shitposting is just kind of a side-effect. I dunno. Probably both approaches would be fine, I’d wager.
erzatz_cadillac@lemmy.world 7 months ago
When I was in like grade 10ish in high school one of our teachers showed the class this meme or a similar one and one of the other kids went “wait, does that happen?” in a genuinely confused tone. Almost the entire class just stared laughing and the teacher had to explain that no, it doesn’t happen because the earth is not flat.
Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 7 months ago
No, sorry for the mixup. I don’t know who labeled this. The shadow here was from my massive dong.