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Why are official subs so awful, they can't even be bothered to translate character names? (Chainsmoker Cat))

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩ to ⁨anime@ani.social⁩

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  • neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In all seriousness, there might be style guidelines that explicitly say to not translate proper nouns like character names that have literal translations.

    And in most cases this probably makes sense. Frieren is reportedly a bit cringy for people who know German because the series uses on-the-nose German words for basically every character and place. Frieren = freezing, Himmel = heaven, Stark = strong, Fern = far/distant, Heiter = cheerful. There are probably similar examples for Japanese characters in other series, though I cont think of any at the moment.

    Chainsmoker Cat is an ideal show to bend that rule though. “Thanks for the help, Chainsmoker Cat!” is legit a better line than “Thanks for the help, Yani Neko!”

    It’s like that scene in Coffee and Cigarettes where GZA and RZA from the Wu-tang Clan meet Bill Murray in a cafe, and they constantly refer to him by his full name. Never “Bill” or “Mr Murray”, always “Bill Murray”. It’s not always funnier to do that, but sometimes it just is.

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    • Unboxious@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I assumed OP was talking about the white rectangle that says "Penname: Ochinpo Tatsuo (Dick Tatsuo) Real Name: (I have no idea how to read that sorry Japanese names are hard)

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      • themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yep, I meant the white rectangle that is why I said untranslated.

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      • Unique_Emerald_Sol_I@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        My guess is Tatsuhara and Saori but there’s a few different ways each could be pronounced, it seems.

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      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think it's Tatsuno Saori, but don't quote me on it.

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      • neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh, whoops lol :3

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    • mo_lave@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Thanks for the help, Chainsmoker Cat!”

      Chainsmoker Cat?

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    • konata_izumi@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are probably similar examples for Japanese characters in other series yeah for example every name in komi san can’t communicate is a japanese pun or a play on words that describes the character and they are also better left untranslated

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  • ReluctantlyZen@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Netflix is notoriously bad at this. CR gets a bad rep, but compared to Netflix they’re a godsend.

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    • Crank@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s annoying when Netflix or Amazon gets exclusive rights to a show. You either need to wait for fansubs (and you’ll only get them for the most popular shows after a wait) or deal with this bullshit.

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  • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most official subs are AI these days. Companies are feeding the show’s transcript into the machine and it’s spitting out translations for all the different markets. If it’s not dialogue, it’s not getting translated.

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    • Unboxious@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You have any source at all for that? I’m pretty sure the subs would be way worse if that were actually the case.

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      • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t have an exact source, I think last I heard on it was over a year ago, but I bet if you search “Crunchyroll” and “ChatGPT Said” it’ll come up. Basically, Crunchyroll was so lazy with the AI translation for an episode that it actually left the ChatGPT Said: in the sub. Idk if Netflix is doing AI as well, they haven’t been caught so blatantly, but I’d be surprised if they weren’t looking into it since I have heard they’ve been looking into AI recently.

        Also idk if you’re just lucky but holy hell I’ve seen some dogshit subs recently. Like, fucking up the main character’s catchphrase levels of bad. idk how much worse that can get.

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  • wizblizz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Chainsmoker cat is not a great phrase, it’s clumsy and hard to say. Yani Neko is actually her name, why is this a big deal?

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    • themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I am talking about the untranslated text bubble, not the name.

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      • dalekcaan@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, whether or not on-screen text is translated seems like a total crapshoot. Some translators go the extra mile and format the translated text to look like the original, but far too many just ignore it entirely.

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  • pglpm@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lack of love.

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    • Unboxious@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lack of money. I’m sure most translators would be happy to do a better job if they were given the time and money necessary to do so.

      Also I’m not certain Crunchyroll’s new player can even render the subtitles while also rendering more English text for the name.

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      • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Lack of love by whoever paid for the translation.

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      • ReluctantlyZen@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        CR’s new player can actually do this, but Chainsmoker Cat is not done by CR. This is on Netflix

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  • Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Here to step on a landmine and say the dub is good.

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    • hubertmanne@piefed.social@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I watch dub with caption and often times the caption phrases things in a better way to me.

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      • Unboxious@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’d bet they’re trying too hard to match mouth flaps or something.

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    • vrek@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Someone introduced me to “ghost stories”… The English dub of that definitely better

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  • SOAD@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    low effort so that the blurays sell for more later probably

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  • degen@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ain’t no way they named the cat Yoni Neko

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  • buei@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Always thought fansubs were the best subs… Are there any teams who translated Chainsmoker cat yet? are there any who at least plan to? it would be useful if there was a DB website purely for anime fansub groups

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    they do get subbed properly, on dubs.

    when you watch it dubbed, flip the sub’s from English-cc to just English. most the time the text is translated.

    it’s dumb, like really dumb, that they can’t just include them on one sub.

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