Submitted 10 months ago by STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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This is a pretty funny image because the kid looks like they’re 8 and in full uniform, but there’s no way to know their age from this picture. They could be like 14, and a part time job at that age (or a bit younger) isn’t weird.
What’s weird and, frankly, extremely fucked up is some internet weirdo taking creepshots of a minor and posting it on Lemmy. What the fuck is wrong with you, OP? How would you feel if someone was posting pics like this of your kid on the internet?
Hmm. Maybe minors shouldn’t be working in that type of role if they can’t be photographed at work then? It’s a job in a business that serves the public, photography has to be assumed.
I’m not saying it’s illegal, just that it’s fucking creepy to take pictures of children like that. I know Lemmy is full of old weirdos, but this is just gross.
I am getting downvoted in another thread for pointing out that in Canada it’s illegal to identify minors taking part in, or convicted of a crime. So I am not pro-nazi, just that we view those children as victims as well. People get weird about this stuff.
There’s no way you’re serious, right?.. Right?
Sheesh, have you seen a 14 year old kid before?
This kid is at oldest 10-12.
is that in Oshkosh WI?
the average geogessr player
Oh my gosh.
When I was that age I was mowing lawns to pay for my video arcade habit. This is probably safer
Thirteen year olds working in the Netherlands don’t qualify for minimum wage- > 13: (The minimum age of employment under the supervision and with no guarantee of a minimum wage.)> en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_working_age
Yeah this is so much worse than 5yo kids working in coal mines a hundred years ago.
Sure its not exactly ideal, but if this is a kid whose parents own the franchise and he is legally working and being paid at the family business its better than him being left at home on the xbox.
I don’t disagree.
My grandpa brought my brothers and I to work at the family business when we were pretty young. Mostly it was stuff like sweeping and cleaning tasks, nothing really cruel or stressful or that we could screw up.
A bit different than customer service but convenience stores often have the kids helping out too.
Oooh! Look at that! A bunch of people opining on a picture with zero context given! What a special surprise! We never see this happen nowadays.
Obligatory /s.
Kid in old age, probably: “Yeah, I was working in the Salt Mines at 11. Then they petered out, so I got me a job at the Pepper Mill. By the time I retired, I was first shift at the Olive Garden, doling out shredded cheese like a fiend. Yessir! Them was the days!”
No way this shit is real. It’s like something I would expect to see in 1920 or something like that.
It you zoom in they look younger, but in a gigantic uniform. In fact it’s hard to gauge their age. The could be a little person.
Probably a family business that own’s a franchise.
Lol Republicans with their shenanigans. All red states have made child labour legal and kids aged 16 can work at a bar. #MAGA
Yep, exactly what happened. This cotton candy land: communist Poland.
Also weird as fuck to be sneaking photos of children like this.
Nobody s documenting anything with that photo. It’s an out-of-context snapshot. Could be anything. Part of a make a wish with a cancer patient. A school thing to experience five minutes of adulthood. A prank. Staged. You name it. What exactly is documented here?
So yeah, just posting some picture is weird as fuck.
If this was a playground or doing normal childhood activities, then yeah, but this is a fucking Culver’s (I think)… This is not normal.
Are we supposed to take OP at their word or something? “Guys there’s a kid working fast food! I would have taken a picture but it would have been weird. My Canadian girlfriend who was in town that you all have never met urged me not to!”
You take photos of extraordinary sights. I’m sure the shitheads who have allowed this to happen would agree with you since they want to normalize it.
I’m hoping there’s a legitimate, innocent reason for this.
There was an innocent reason apparently, from the now top comment:
“This is Culver’s. They’re a burger fast food joint located throughout the Midwest and have things called “Scoopy Night” where a percentage of the proceeds go toward a specific cause. Schools, dance groups, etc can partake and the kids who attend that school/dance group/etc help take orders and deliver food to tables. Not quite as dystopian as OP has made it seem.”
Oh my fucking god it’s a kid working behind a register in full work clothes, in broad daylight, surrounded by people. There is absolutely nothing about this that suggests predatory behavior except possibly some Capitalist tossing on a shiny wrapper for a reason this happens at all. Which, btw, this image circulates periodically. You can find explanations even in this comment thread.
I would just walk out.
I started working at McDonald’s at age 13. Was the worst job I ever had and that remains true to this day even in my 30s.
Great. Now I’m craving a butter burger
Next, companies are going to start recruiting at Day Care centers lmfao
Babies serving babies
Creddit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
People offended just by looking at this picture out of context should really try explaining their preferred authoritarian social policy to a teenager who wants a part-time job but for whom some people would forbid them by penalty of the law.
Spoiler: They won’t understand why you should have any authority over their body and time.
I don’t understand why you should have that authority either. I mean, where does it end?
What are your criteria for exceptions? Shouldn’t it be between the kid and their parents, and not you?
Are you imagining there is a parental figure with a bull whip for this kid in the back office and you want to outlaw physical abuse? There are already separate laws for that!
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Children should not be working. We have piles of dead children that died in the past for the profits of capitalists, and it took millions of maimed children marching to DC led by Mother Jones for anything to be done about child labor. I highly doubt that there’s anyone, let alone children, that want to be in the coercive environment we call work. If you want to say protecting children from the dangers of a capitalist workplace is authoritarian, then so be it. I don’t want to see children in a workplace where they will be exploited by everyone above them.
Creddit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If the business commits a crime like killing a kid, there are laws for that - just like there are laws for when businesses kill adults.
You are not providing a reason to bar the kid from working, you are providing a reason to outlaw murder(which is already illegal).
You doubt there are people under 18 who want to work? Should everyone just take your doubt for evidence of the absence of those people? I think not.
I do agree, if you stand by your beliefs on this issue, you are officially a self-proclaimed authoritarian on this issue.
Xero@infosec.pub 10 months ago
I started working at age 13 back in 1980 because I wanted money to buy GI Joes, and comic books. So I started going to construction jobs with my shithead father on Saturdays and helped him put up sheetrock. My first legitimate job was the summer I turned 15, I was big for my age so I started doing deliveries for a furniture store, worked there for two summers until I was fired after a workplace injury. The guy I worked with was a racist Italian from Whitestone New York, and I was a smart slightly autistic black kid. His delivery truck only had one seat so I stood in the open door on the right side holding on for dear life. One day we were moving a heavy office desk upstairs and I was bringing up the rear, he lost control which resulted in the desk sliding downstairs and slamming me into a wall. My ribs were badly bruised so after I got home the store panicked and fired me, they probably thought we were going to sue. Anyway I went into a deep depression and couldn’t leave my room for a month. One of my therapists later told me that it was the first appearance of my bipolar disorder.
I was legally employable, and of age but still got hurt on the job. I just had shithead employers.
tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Why tf should a kid want to work? Why would you want a society to normalize a 14 old hustling and working after school. It’s not authoritarian to protect children from parasitic businesses.
Creddit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I don’t presume to know why anyone else wants anything for themselves, why do you?
To make it clear that I am answering your question: I do not know.
Can you answer my question? Why do you presume to know what the kid wants?
Like I said, there are separate laws for child abuse. Physical abuse, mental/emotional abuse too. The bases are covered.
jimbo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s already normal and kids want to buy things as much as anyone else. This is like incredibly easy to understand.
NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 10 months ago
Yeah, we tried to learn people have the permission to do that, kids died.
Enough kids died that even America decided we needed to make laws against it, and we love exploiting the under class people
Creddit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
As others have pointed out, those laws have important exceptions to account for kids who want to work, and that is the question I am asking all of the knee-jerk authoritarians:
What is the actual policy position they support? What are the exceptions they support or are they completely authoritarian about this issue? (I think a strict rule prohibiting all people under 18 from ever earning a living is a pretty embarrassing position to defend.)
What are emancipated teenagers supposed to do? Should they live 100% at the mercy of state programs and not improve their living standards beyond the meager social welfare they are afforded until they turn exactly 18 years old? Really? Not even a day sooner, even if they are ready and qualified to work?
That would be completely inhumane. Certainly it’s depriving them of their bodily freedom and natural ability to extract capital value from their own labor.
So where is the line? 13? 14? I think somewhere in there is reasonable. Perhaps a test could determine their capacity to participate in their own economic fate? Or an evaluation by a social worker? I could go for something like that.
What if they are NOT emancipated and their parent is supervising them? Should the age minimum be higher then? 17? 18? I do not think so.
I think it’s only logical that the age minimum should actually be lower if a parent is directly supervising - their physical and economic risk is lower if the parent is looking out for their best interests. This of course presumes that the parent is not physically or mentally/emotionally abusing the kid(again, separate laws exist for the abuse component and most parents don’t abuse their kids).
ray@kbin.social 10 months ago
You're right. How can we claim to live in a free society if our children don't even have the right to be exploited?
Creddit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Are all jobs bad because someone else skims part of the profit? Or is it just bad to you because it’s a person under 18?
Just trying to sort out whether you are for eliminating all work or just work for minors?
If it’s just work for minors, would you support any exceptions?
Like, for example, for an emancipated 17 year old with a baby of their own to support?
GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 months ago
This is like…yuck.
What if a teen really really wanted to date an adult. They’re a child, no one cares what they “understand” because their capacity to understand is literally crippled. Their brains aren’t developed yet.
Creddit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It sounds like you are equating any job to getting sexually abused or raped.
That is “like… Yuck”.
It’s an irrelevant comparison because the work itself is not abuse. There are other laws that protect kids from being abused, if they are being abused to force them to work(or for any other purpose).
If you don’t care what people under 18 think, you should reflect on how selfish and closed-minded that sounds to me and especially to the real human people you are proposing to lose their ability to work.
Do you really think there is a major difference between the brain of a 17 year old the day before their 18th birthday and the day after? There is no significant difference at all.
So, my question is, where do you draw the line for a person under 18 whose quality of life might depend on working? Should they just have that freedom stripped because you don’t care what they think?
Even if they are on their own? Or supporting a dependent, like their own baby? Really? If you are that authoritarian about this, I hope you forget to vote on it.