Submitted 11 months ago by fahad@lemmy.world to selfhosted@lemmy.world
Hey guys, I’m new to self-hosting; I’m trying to set up cloud storage to store pics and other content. However, I’m unsure whether to use my old computer, Buy NAS or ResberryPie to set up a home server.
Also, what is the best privacy-friendly OS to use with the home server?
Lastly, do’s and don’ts.
Any help would be appreciated (:
Start with hardware you have already, its high likely overkill anyway. If you have CPU that supports quicksync (intel 7th gen or newer iirc) you could remove GPU to reduce power consumption. QuickSync will make streaming easy.
Raspberry pi cant transcode so its not best for media server, but it can direct play so that might not be an issue at all. I upgraded from rpi to desktop PC because I had issues with power on rpi USB ports for storage. Its also impossible to upgrade RAM on rpi. Good thing about rpi is super low power consuption, but some small factor PCs can drain ~10W. My PC was at 22W with 3 SSD. You can get power meter like Shelly plug S to see power consuption yourself.
Any OS (I use debian) of your choice + docker and docker-compose. Then install portainer and manage all services from there.
I was going this route and Im super happy with everything
Raspberry pi cant transcode so its not best for media server
To expand on that:
Kinda right and still wrong.
You actually can transcode. But the performance wont be great.
I tried it with Jellyfin by transcoding anime episodes thanks to SSA subs (1080p ~1GB @ 20min episodes). Performance was about 0,7-0,9x
because I had issues with power on rpi USB ports for storage.
Corrupted my kernel by having 2 USB powered disks on it (hdd and ssd) and wondered why the write performance sucked so hard if I wrote to both at the same time.
Then I updated the kernel and corrupted it c:
Check wiki.servarr.com
Don’t forget trash guides.
The 2 usb ports on RPI share the same usb controller and pcie lines, so you can’t expect max throughput on both ports simultaneously
Whatever you do:
That means you’ll really understand it and how to maintain it.
And others have said: 3-2-1 backups
Still chugging along with my broken permissions ACL from my 2nd or 3rd attempt and knowledge from my Pi4.
ext with the Sticky Bit? Ah, yes, me too 🤭
Don’t use Raspberry pi.
A cheap old laptop will work a lot better.
I think Raspberry pi is only good if you need gpio, otherwise save money and use an old laptop.
Don’t use Raspberry pi.
Oversimplified and in many cases is not good advice. Raspberry Pis are perfectly capable low cost home servers that absolutely sip power and take up little room.
Mini pc’s such as dell optiplex micro’s and intel nucs are also a good consideration.
Exactly. Just know the limitations and capabilities of your hardware and implement your system accordingly. My Rpi4 works well for adguars home, wireguard, NPM etc. While my media server and other resource heavy stuff are installed on a Mini PC.
How can you day"low cost home server"? they cost so much and when you need them they are out of stock
Old think pads can be had for dirt cheap on eBay, you’ve essentially got a little server you can hide anywhere, you don’t have the keep the lid open (disable sleep on lid close, you can hide it wherever you want now) , ANDmost importantly it has it’s own little integrated UPS :)
Ya know what… That’s actually a really good idea 😅😎
Good one. And Lenovo battery management until allows setting the state of charge level. Set it for 50% and the battery will last mostly forever.
Any cheap PC is going to be way better than raspberry Pi.
Also, may I suggest you to checkout Immich? I am in love with the project and have been using it as Google photos replacement.
Welcome to selfhosting!
Immich is great. Works so much better as a photo storage than Nextcloud does.
i found their site and in confused by this part of their intro page:
“That was how the idea started to grow in my head. After that, I began to find existing solutions in the self-hosting space with similar backup functionality and the performance level of the App-Which-Must-Not-Be-Named. I found that the current solutions mainly focus on the gallery-type application. However, I want a simple-to-use backup tool with a native mobile app that can view photos and videos efficiently.”
what is the main thing that separates immich from other “gallery-type applications”? wouldnt all comparable apps have some kind of gallery?
What are you comparing it with? Something like photoprism? If so, then photo prism does not have multiple users. If you compare it with Lychee, then Lychee does not have facial recognition.
The Raspberry Pi can work if you don’t need a lot of space or high performance. You will need an external drive or two for it. The power consumption will be very low too.
You can use an old PC if you need more drives. Just don’t use an old gaming PC since the power consumption will be rather high.
You can always just undervolt the cpu and take out the gpu. Sure, a 1000w power supply is going to be inefficient at 20% draw, but if you already have old hardware it isn’t always cost effective to replace it just because of a higher power draw.
Also the pi is great for stuff like dns and network storage, but it’s going to struggle with transcoding as a media server. I can’t speak for the 5 from personal experience, but the 4 was completely incapable as a jellyfin/plex server. I just use an old stripped down computer for media and the pi is relegated to dns adblocking.
For real time transcoding, you will need a PC with a newer CPU that supports hardware H.265 encoding.
Always remember: RAID is not a backup.
Having only one backup and the server dying means you now have no backup, therefore the 3-2-1 scheme for backups is worth looking into.
I wouldnt never do raid with only 2 disks, it doesnt seeem safe tbh, 3 disks min (2 disk as backup)
Raid 5 with 3 drives survives one dying disk. Raid 1 (mirroring) with 2 disks survives one dying disk. if either setup loses two disks all the data is gone.
When you run 3 disks then the odds of two failing are higher than if you run 2 disks.
So 3 disks are not significantly safer and might even be worse.
That being said: both setups are fine for home use, because you've set up real backups anyway, right?
Raid 1 on two drives is perfectly reasonable.
For a privacy friendly OS, surprised nobody has mentioned Freedombox
It’s designed explicitly for your use case, along with an easy path to other self hosted services. When you’re ready for more than it offers through the web interface, it’s a full Debian install under the hood - so you can install whatever you need to. Privacy friendly and super stable, with smooth upgrades to new releases and security updates for old versions several years after the new one is available.
As far as hardware, your old computer is probably more powerful than a Pi and can support more drives, but the Pi will be more power efficient. As others have mentioned, if you care about your data long term then backups are a must, so a separate NAS or a Pi with a large drive for backup storage is a good idea as well, whatever OS you choose.
If you want something that works without you fretting with the base system too much, and gives you a decent GUI to handle the base: Proxmox. Run VMs, run containers on said VMs, and experiment as much as you would like.
I will personally not be doing this (I plan to run Alpine as my base instead of Debian, even though I hold the latter in very high regard), automate provisioning with Ansible, and exclusively use Podman instead of Docker. I’m willing to go through the pains of not using Docker directly, but at least I’m not learning how to run everything on k8s (which is not a bad idea at all, but for most homelabs without HA, it’s overkill).
Learn networking, learn container orchestration, learn GNU/Linux (or in my case, non-GNU/Linux - yes you plebs, musl is good) security, auth basics, UNIX permissions, general automation, and give yourself time.
Also, do not become the family system-admin without having a fair bit of experience doing this already. You don’t want the homelab becoming a job, which means getting to fix it at your own schedule, not when Jellyfin is broken and Wifey is bearing down on you because you cancelled Netflix in favour of your Linux ISO-powered library.
A cheap used PC with a Ryzen 9 or something? Ez to maintain, very power efficient, especially when idling (compared to servers, not Pi), and you get to choose the important bits (like what new enterprise level disk you gonna buy, etc) as its easier to upgrade.
And you get a lot faster CPU than duo Xenon builds in the same price range (used ofc). What you don’t get is ECC & more RAM lanes.
Also much easier to make it inaudible (or like 18~19dB?) compared to servers.
I do use a Pi-based Proxmox Backup server.
Got a link for a cheap Ryzen 9 pc?
I don’t (and it depends on where you live). But R9s have been around for quite a bit, maybe try looking for a 4~5 year old 3900x (or 5900x), you get 12c/24t.
But it’s not like 7 (8c/16t) series lacks power for a home lab.
(I am taking about used PCs)
Personally I prefer older PCs in standard formfactors. I avoid HP, Dell, Lenovo pre-builts because they use proprietary power supplies and motherboards, making them difficult to upgrade. Laptops aren’t really upgradable, they don’t have enough SATA ports, and USB isn’t reliable enough for long term storage. Raspberry Pies, while power efficient, are too underpowered. Old server hardware is also an option, but they are generally too noisy.
Micro PC, install Linux. External nas. Or mini-pc with builtin nas.
Nextcloud is a good platform for hosting self cloud stuff. You might want a fixed ip, or other method to route if wanting to use out of home.
Go for a used small form factor PC. They usually have a decent amount of house power and can house many drives
I personally think a NAS would probably be the easiest option and on top of that they are optimized for low electricity consumption, which a PC, especially when it’s older is not. It makes a huge difference because it’s running 24/7 for 356 days a year.
I used a PC once and didn’t realize that it took always about 300 W so at the end of the year surprisingly the electricity bill was much higher than normally.
I used a PC once and didn’t realize that it took always about 300 W
Were you mining bitcoin or something?
It was running zoneminder.com but idling it used almost the same amount. It was a old PC my dad saved from being thrown out at his company. It must have been from around 2002 or something.
For a small pocket and low power consumption but incredible performance I would recommend the Odroid M1. Add a cheap nvme drive for the os (I prefer debian) and a 2,5" hdd. On top of debian you can install OMV for a webui based linux home server control. DietPi is nice for beginners too. And like other ppl already said, you can use docker/podman for running your software.
Oh and don’t forget the 3-2-1 backup rule. 3 Backups, 2 different media types (ssd, hdd, usb stick, cloud, …) and 1 offsite backup (cloud or hdd at your friend’s house).
Thank you for the info. I wasn’t aware of the 3-2-1 backup rule until now.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| DNS | Domain Name Service/System |
| NAS | Network-Attached Storage |
| PiHole | Network-wide ad-blocker (DNS sinkhole) |
| RAID | Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage |
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Those are my old PC specs:
GPU: GeForce GT 240 DDR3 1GB CPU: unknown Motherboard: Lenovo is6xm PSU: Dell L240AS-00 240W RAM: 2x 2GB Storage: 1TB HDD and 128GB SSD
I want to build a low power consumption yet power enough server to run any apps, etc. What upgrades would be the best for my use case?
You might look for a used Optiplex SFF or micro form factor PC. These can be purchased for around $100 in the US and have full fledged PC hardware which is capable of running most things. The downside here is less peripheral support for things like PCIE or internal storage.
After fighting my old PC the whole day. 😂 I have concluded that not to go with pc. I’m looking at NAS Synology and FreedomBox Pioneer Edition, etc.
I wouldn’t recommend Optiplexes… HP, Dell, Lenovo pre-builts use proprietary parts making them a pain in the rear to work with. I recommend getting a PC made with standard parts.
Yunohost is beginner friendly
Since you’re new, I’d recommend just using the old PC to start and get comfortable. Once you’re sure you want to invest some money, you can either build it buy yourself something more energy efficient if you’re super concerned about that.
As for the best OS, just any server OS will do. I run Rocky Linux which is a RHEL derivative, but you can also try TrueNas or anything else you want. Even Windows Server would work if you wanted to go that path.
There are many paths you can take, and which you go down depends heavily on personal preference and the desired use of your system.
Do backups. Don’t forget to test if recovery works as expected.
I started with an old computer, then I moved to Raspberry Pi’s and now in about to get rid of the last Pi since I’m replacing everting with small Lenovo or Intel PCs.
Lots of relevant comments in this post aussie.zone/post/4286731
Try the pi for tinkering since it will be cheaper. If you end seeing issues with performance for the usage you need you could start looking up used laptops or optiplexes.
I had some used componentes lying around so I frankesteined a server with used parts after buying some disks
Really depends on what you have, what you’re trying to store, etc, etc.
Like we need more info.
I’ve been running a windows desktop as my “server” for years, with a large data drive, that’s backed up by Crashplan.
It stores all our phone stuff - pictures, downloads, app Backups, etc, that get their via Syncthing and Foldersync.
I’m currently in the process of switching to a Raspberry Pi to handle a few things: Tailscale (mesh network), PiHole (for home network), Syncthing. It’s data drive (however I decide to do that, direct connected or some kind of NAS) will be backed up to a service like Backblaze B2 or something like it.
Sorry for the lack of clarification. I’m mainly into backing up personal and device data and the ability to add media through Plex. I’m also exploring the idea of self-hosting Bitwarden for password management, allowing access to data from anywhere through the internet. Although both Raspberry Pi and NAS are options, privacy concerns lead me to favour Raspberry Pi over NAS.
I think Pi will struggle with Plex. Maybe the latest version does it better, I’m not sure. Hit up a Pi forum or a Plex forum. I’ve seen it talked about.
There’s also mini PCs, that have real graphics, but have idle power draw of maybe 10 watts. More than idle on some Pi’s, but I believe RPi 4 idle is like 5 watts? 8 watts? I forget. Those mini PCs start around $100. They can run with a monitor or headless. You’ll see them talked about in Plex and Jellyfin forums/communities.
For everything else, you’re looking to do what I’m doing.
I just finished PiHole and Tailscale (mesh network, so all my mobile devices can now connect to home from anywhere with a transparent encrypted connection).
Bitwarden and Syncthing are next. And I’m looking to switch to dockers for this stuff.
Enabling SSH on RPi (basically you create an SSH file on the boot partition)
Latest versions of RPi use nmcli command line for managing network interfaces, just an FYI. pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-ssh/
Instructions for Tailscale on RPi tailscale.com/download/linux/rpi-bullseye FYI, requires a reboot after setup.
Syncthing on RPi pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-syncthing/
Here’s instructions for a PiHole Docker (I haven’t tried this, my PiHole I installed directly.) pimylifeup.com/pi-hole-docker/
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I can only speak from my personal experience. But I knew nothing about self-hosting and went with a Synology NAS over three years ago and never looked back. I essentially replaced all Google, Dropbox, Microsoft, Evernote, music/video streaming, and per-PC backup services, with one device. LOL
Yes, the initial cost up front was not cheap. Yes, the cost of getting large HDDs is not cheap. But I broke even a while ago, and I’m actually saving money by self-hosting now.
juli@programming.dev 11 months ago
Use docker compose . Like “everyone” uses it. If the service doesn’t have a compose file, request it, or write it yourself as son as you are knowledgable enough.
Use podman as soon as people and services switch to it (you’ll know when the latest tutorials talk about podman instead of docker).
Use ngingx proxy manager or another easy to use reverse proxy.
Don’t think it’s production ready after it was working 2 days. It may be, but it’s unlikely you have enough knowledge how to fix things.
Automatic updates.
Don’t install crap on the system.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 months ago
This is a good way to get started.
Docker and Docker compose on whatever hardware you want to start on.
Most important there. You aren’t building a production system for corporate clients, you’re doing this for fun. Focus on one thing, try to get that one thing running. Toy with it, make it work. Then start on your next thing. Slowly you’ll build up a large system, but it won’t be immediate.
I personally have been working on switching from compose to kubernetes, which is way more advanced than a starter needs - but I’ve been slowly migrating for about 4 weeks now, one service at a time. Just how homelabs are done