JavaScript's days are numbered

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• rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Well y275.8k will certainly be interesting

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  • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’ll work on a solution in the year 275.799k

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    • lars@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’ll work on a solution in the year 275,759

      …written in ES5, Python 2 and mostly Rust++

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  • Quoth_The_Revan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s fun how oddly close that year is with 0°C in Kelvin: 273.15. Seeing 275.8K just instantly brought me back to chemistry…

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• call_me_xale@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bold of you to assume no one will come up with a replacement date library rather than just getting rid of JS.

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  • __init__@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s javascript. We’ll have gone through 275,760 new datetime libraries before then, it’ll be fine.

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  • Redkey@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Of course! There’s already a proposal for a replacement Temporal object.

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    • LPThinker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not just a proposal, it’s already fully defined and almost completely implemented - I believe they’re just waiting on a standards update from ISO for time zone stuff.

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  • towerful@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    String based date processing

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• pm_me_your_quackers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  slides £20 across the table make it end tomorrow

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  • ARk@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    reserve me tickets for the inevitable shit show that follows 🍿

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• EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Partitioning by integer secobds is dumb.

  Just assign 0 to the start of time, 1 to the end of time, and every point between is represented by a double precision floating point number.

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  • chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Um excuse me time actually already ended in 1991

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    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, that was the world that ended in 2012.

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    • interolivary@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • rekabis@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fun fact: infinities can be different sizes, such that one infinity can be larger than another.

    They’re still infinities, with no end. Just of different absolute sizes. Fun stuff to rabbithole down into if you want to melt your brain on a lazy afternoon.

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    • EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My nephew refuses to talk to me because of this.

      He said I smelled like farts, then I said he did times 10, he replied times a hundred, I pulled out the infinity card, then he replied with times infinity plus one, activating my trap card. I sat him down and for 90 minutes, starting with binary finger counting and Cantor’s diagonalisation argument, I rigorously walked him through infinities and Aleph numbers (only the first 2 in detail, I’m not a monster).

      Now he knows the proper retort (not infinity plus one, use Aleph 1). Unfortunately now he’s not sure if numbers are “real” or not because I taught him that natural numbers are the cardinal numbers.

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Even more fun: nobody can agree on how many their are, and mathematics is self-consistent regardless of if you assume some of them definitely do or definitely don’t exist.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For all those who believe time is infinite please apply a logistic transformation to your dates.

    In what unit? It’s not scale invariant.

    Also in case you’re serious, I’m sure (by the pigeonhole principle) you’ll run out of exponents just about as fast as you would run out of integers.

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    • EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can derive the date by first taking the smallest unit, checking if it makes sense, then moving to a bigger time unit iteratively until the date comes out right.

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  • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    boy do i have a bad news for you… en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating-point_arithmetic#A…

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  • interolivary@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    please apply a logistic transformation to your dates

    Which is definitely a totally normal and common day operation that people do with their dates

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    • EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s a little out of the ordinary for now, but for thousands of years dates counted upwards from a negative number, which this new method easily avoids.

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• xantoxis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also means you can’t reference anything earlier than the late Pleistocene.

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  • sik0fewl@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nothing happens before c. 4000 AD anyway.

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    • NegativeInf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sorry, that’s also wrong. The entire universe, in its current state, popped into existence last Tuesday. It’s been terribly inconvenient tho.

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  • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    GODDAMMIT

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• viking@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What people fail to see is that this is the largest date the API can store, not a magical cutoff date in the distant future.

  You could create a date today and send it to the API, and it could potentially crash it, or create a buffer overrun.

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  • Redkey@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The definition of the Date object explicitly states that any attempt to set the internal timestamp to a value outside of the maximum range must result in it being set to “NaN”. If there’s an implementation out there that doesn’t do that, then the issue is with that implementation, not the standard.

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• FiniteLooper@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No programming language should last 200,000 years

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  • normanwall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Replaced. Hotel? Trivago.

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  • DudeDudenson@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    JavaScript shouldn’t have lasted as long as it has and it’s still used widely

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  • 30p87@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    C

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• darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  there goes my plans to build a time machine in javascript

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• Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Javascript 2 release date

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• Turun@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s because this is the maximum integer that can be stored in a double precision floating point number without loss of precision, lol

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  • interolivary@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s one thing that really bugs me about Javascript (weirdly enough I’m okay with eg prototypal inheritance and how this works, or at least worked before the bolted on classes that were added because apparently I’m like one of the dozen or so people who had no problems with those concepts). The fact that all numbers are floats can lead to a lot of fun and exciting bugs that people might not even realize are there until they suddenly get a weird decimal where they expected an integer

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• dadGPT@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  please hide this. this is how john connor defeats skynet.

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• rekabis@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  past 13 September

  Yes, but will that be a Friday??

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  • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That will be a Saturday

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    • 14th_cylon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      it may or may not be a monday - probably won’t. it will be monday based on the (4000 | year) => !(leap year) rule, but by the year 275000 the difference will be so big that i am pretty sure people will make more rules to solve that.

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• reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve got a bunch of freeze dried food from my backpacking days. Who wants to jump in on a business selling Y275.76K Survival Kits?

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• shiveyarbles@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Cockroaches will go extinct before JavaScript is dead

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  • nailbar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The last cockroach writes an AI in JavaScript to carry on the legacy

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• jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  2036 to 2038 is gonna be wicked.

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  • SuperJetShoes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This will be a tough one to fix. There must be millions upon millions of embedded systems out there with 16-bit epoch burned in.

    They’ll all be much tougher to find than “YEAR PIC(99)” in COBOL was.

    Y2K wasn’t a problem because thousands upon thousands of programmers worked on it well in advance (including myself) we had source code and plenty of static analysis tools, often homegrown.

    The 2038 bugs are already out there…in the wild…their source code nothing but a distant dream.

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• interolivary@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I honestly don’t quite get why it’s so common to hate Javascript.

  I mean, it’s not my favorite language (I prefer type systems that beat me into submission) but as far as popular dynamically typed languages go, it’s not nearly the worst offender out there. Yes, lol, weird things equal weird things when you use == but that’s not exactly unique among dynamic languages, and some people couldn’t come to terms with it not being like Java despite the name so they never bothered learning how prototypal inheritance works, and also who the fuck needed both null and undefined when either of those by itself is already a mistake and introducing them to a language should be grounds for a nice, solid kick to the groin.

  But, warts and all, the implementations are generally reasonably performant as far as these things go, the syntax is recognizable because eg. braces are common whether we like them or not and notably also survives copy-pasting from eg. the internet or anything that doesn’t use the same whitespace you do, and it’ll happily let you write code in a quite multiparadigm way and leading to some people insisting Javascript is kind of like Scheme and other people insisting Javascript is nothing like Scheme.

  So, shit could be worse. And by “shit” and “worse” I mean eg. Python, notable for achievements such as: being one of the first if not the first language with a designer who huffed enough solvents to think that significant whitespace is a great idea especially combined with no real standardization on whether you need to use tabs or spaces, and which often doesn’t survive being copy-pasted from the web and is a nightmare to format; being unable to actually run anything in parallel up until very recently because lol why bother with granular locking in the runtime when you can just have one global interpreter lock and be done with it; or being popular in part due to the fact that its FFI makes it easy to write modules for it in languages that aren’t a crime against common sense and can run faster and more parallel than an 80’s BASIC interpreter. And let’s not even go into the whole “virtual environment” thing.

  So while Python’s not quite INTERCAL-bad, at least INTERCAL doesn’t have significant whitespace and its manuals are really damn funny.

  And then there’s eg. Ruby, with 9999 ways to do everything and all of them so slow that it aspires to one day be as fast as INTERCAL.

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  • tiny_electron@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This reads like a copy pasta

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    • interolivary@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Mission accomplished

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  • __init__@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are two types of languages: ones people bitch about, and ones no one uses

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    • interolivary@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I dunno; people bitch about Haskell too

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• Asudox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Well, I am comfortable leaving the upcoming disaster this will cause to the next generations.

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• sergih@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ll open a bug report

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  • TangledHyphae@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Be sure to cross-post it to the Usenet group for visibility.

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• lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We survived the 2000 crash, we will survive this

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  • mckean@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We definitely will not…

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Speak for yourself, mere mortal!

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• psycho_driver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Maybe by then my system will have recovered from this unresponsive javascript page

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