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• phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What kind of fucking court would accept AI output as evidence, even for probable cause? Where has it ever been validated? What are the documented Type 1 and Type 2 error rates in independent peer-reviewed tests? Where is the output that gives the rationale for why it said there was a match? Because without that, there’s no more reason to believe it than a Magic 8-Ball.

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  • eddie@feddit.online ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    doesn’t sound like a court was even involved. per the article, she was held in jail 5 months before even being interviewed by police. that sounds entirely unconstitutional?? how does that even happen? like someone said below, i hope she is able to sue for millions. this is insane

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    • Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well its possible because we have a constitutional right to a speedy and quick trial in the united states.

      So, since it is a constitutional right they get to shit all over it and do whatever the fuck they want to us anyway.

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    • Bakkoda@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The Constitution has never once showed up to save anyone. People show up to save the constitution. Or they don’t.

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  • wunami@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    According to the court documents, the Fargo detective working the case then looked at Lipps’ social media accounts and Tennessee driver’s license photo.

    In his charging document, the detective wrote that Lipps appeared to be the suspect based on facial features, body type and hairstyle and color.

    Seems like a possibility the detective could have conveniently “forgot” to mention that the initial identification was by AI.

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  • Test_Tickles@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And holy shit, she’s 50? That’s three miles of bad Tennesee road.

    Alcohol can be rough on the body.

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• grue@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Let’s not forget about this part:

  On Christmas Eve, five days after the interview with Fargo police, the case was dismissed, and she was released from jail.

  But, Lipps was now stranded in Fargo.

  “I had my summer clothes on, no coat, it was so cold outside, snow on the ground, scared, I wanted out but I didn’t know what I was going to do, how I was going to get home,” Lipps said.

  Fargo police did not cover Angela’s expenses to get home after her release from jail. Local defense attorneys gave her money to pay for a hotel room and food on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.

  This shit was barely one step up from a “starlight tour,” and only because she didn’t actually die of exposure.

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• mech@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  No, people jailed her!

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    vendors certainly deserve a share for convincing cops their shit is flawless.

    here’s another example, where the cops trusted the casino AI face matching over the guy’s own identifications (plural, all kinds of IDs on him and he had a CDL etc.,)

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUBXN2Fd_E

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  • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    ACAB

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• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Spoiler, it wasn’t AI but a detective and a failed system abdicating using any thought.

  Why did it take 5 months to even interview her? What the fuck it’s happening in US jails.

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  • XLE@piefed.social ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To steal a comment:

    [W]e’re seeing the first instances of what reality looks like with AI in the hands of the average bear. Just like the excuse was “but the computer said it was correct,” now we’re just shifting to “but the AI said it was correct.”

    Don’t underestimate how much authority and thinking people will delegate to machines. Not to mention the lengths they’ll go to weasel out of taking responsibility for a screw up like this (saw another comment in this thread about the Chief of Police stepping down but it being framed as “retirement").

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  • nucleative@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah the 5 months thing… That’s the difference between having a $400/hour lawyer and no lawyer. The first guy could get you out by 6:00 p.m. on bail. If you have no lawyer, your appointment to be assigned lawyer is scheduled for next month.

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    and a failed system abdicating using any thought

    So the whole government at this point. Idiocracy was supposed to be funny fiction not depressing reality.

    Why did it take 5 months to even interview her? What the fuck it’s happening in US jails.

    Money and profits in that order.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      For the umpteenth fucking time, this is not “Idiocracy!”

      In Idiocracy, the people were stupid, but honest. This is not that. This is malicious, which is worse.

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    • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Idiocracy is about what happens after the current time when smarter more level headed people are trying to put the pieces back together. We are in the prequel era, things are going to get worse before they get better.

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• ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What a bunch of incompetent pigs. I hope she sures for millions. 

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  • Wammityblam@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    More money out of our pockets to cover for these useless fucks

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    • billwashere@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is the part that infuriates me. The cops that fucked up will face no repercussions. It’s the tax payers that will foot the bill for this obviously incoming lawsuit and settlement. The solution is clear. Make cops get the equivalent of doctor’s malpractice insurance. Then make the insurance companies pay the settlement. And when the cops insurance payments go up, the cop has to pay. Or stop being a cop because they suck at it. Problem solved.

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• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  AI is shit.

  Facial recognition is shit.

  But none of that was really the issue here:

  Lipps spent nearly four months in a Tennessee jail without bail - classified as a fugitive, she had no hearing, no interview, nothing. North Dakota officers didn’t retrieve her until October 30, 108 days after the arrest. October 31 was her first court appearance and the first time police spoke to her, reports InForum.

  Arrested and thrown in jail for 108 days before seeing any sort of judge is a constitutional violation.

  We hear about this because it’s an obvious wrong case to an old innocent grandma…

  But it’s not the only time it’s happening. And if this happened to her, it can happen to anyone.

  A lazy/dumb cop or ICE agent can just declare you’re someone they’re looking for, and by the time it’s settled your life is destroyed.

  We can’t keep kicking police reform down the road.

  We can’t settle for moderate politicians who say they’ll try on a few issues.

  We need politicians who understand that everything is fucked and desperately needs fixed across the board.

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  • Yliaster@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Do politicians still have your faith?

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is like asking if you have faith in plumbers…

      But no, I don’t have “faith” in anyone or anything.

      That’s why I vote and advocate for others to do so, because lots of informed voters mitigates the threats from bad politicians.

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• Beep@lemmus.org ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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• alecbowles@feddit.uk ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m appalled on how she was treated. I hope that throughout this whole ordeal she met kind people that treated here with decency and humanity.

  Also, if that’s how the US treat its own citizens imagine how people being arrested by Trumps immigration police are being treated. Scary times.

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• Damage@feddit.it ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Facial recognition software. Whether it’s AI or not is debatable.

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  • XLE@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What’s the other side of the debate? CNNs are excellent at facial recognition and they’ve been around for decades.

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Debatable as in I cannot be 100% sure it’s not AI, despite being 99% sure

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I hope she sues and makes it hurt.

  ACAB

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• 1dalm@lemmings.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sue the software company for defamation.

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• MintyFresh@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Archive It said she lost her home, job and dog. What a bunch of assholes.

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  • chaogomu@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That particular archive has a nasty habit of changing the content of saved articles, and then hijacking your browser to launch DDoS attacks on people the secretive owner of the archive doesn’t like.

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    • Manjushri@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Damn! Thanks for pointing this out.

      Ars Technica article about it

      In the course of discussing whether Archive.today should be deprecated because of the DDoS, Wikipedia editors discovered that the archive site altered snapshots of webpages to insert the name of the blogger who was targeted by the DDoS. The alterations were apparently fueled by a grudge against the blogger over a post that described how the Archive.today maintainer hid their identity behind several aliases.

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    • black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It…what??

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    • systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Do you have a source for this? I never ask for sources, but I’m making an exception for this.

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Clown ass country

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• Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sue baby sue

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• Arctic_monkey@leminal.space ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Lipps is back home in Tennessee

  she lost her home, her car and even her dog

  At least there’ll be a lot of very relatable music…

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