“Struggling” implies the American Auto industry is at least trying to keep pace. But really, they aren’t trying at all. They are content to sit back thinking their current flock of geese will lay golden eggs forever even as more and more of those geese drop dead from old age.
BYD Reveals the ‘World’s Longest-Range EV’ as American Auto Industry Struggles to Keep Pace
Submitted 5 hours ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Vieric@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 minutes ago
Tesla was definitely trying…
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 50 minutes ago
That‘s the main problem in Europe as well. I don‘t mind tariffs on heavily subsidized cars that are designed not to make profit but to destroy our industries. However, even then our manufacturers are in a constant crisis mode and unable to adapt. It‘s really pathetic.
But hey, when the car lobby is dead maybe that means more trains and cycling paths in the long run? Perhaps there‘s an opportunity here.
BoJackHorseman@lemmy.today 3 minutes ago
Isn’t profit supposed to bring prices down?
Looks like crapitalists are scared to shit of free market competition.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
1,036 km (644 miles) on a single charge under China’s CLTC testing standard.
Does anyone know how realistic this range is? You can get some absurd range from a vehicle if you’re driving on a closed course at 60kmh with no air conditioning or entertainment.
zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
en.wikipedia.org/…/China_Light-Duty_Vehicle_Test_…
The CLTC testing accounts for the country’s higher congestion levels with more frequent stop-and-go and lower speed limits, which lead to increased low-speed driving and longer idling times that benefits electric vehicles.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Right, so you’re not getting anywhere near that on the open road.
postnataldrip@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Came across this which I’ve not validated but does seem to make sense at a glance: Comparison of WLTP and CLTC
Based on that the WLTP range would be 828-900km (515-560 miles).
Real world, 6-700km at a guess?
dupelet_comments@piefed.social 1 hour ago
The WLTP is pretty accurate to the actual range I get on my BYD.
AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yeah, the EV range is frustrating.
270 miles? Pretty good. Except you shouldn’t drive it below 20% or above 80%, so really the range is like 170. Cold winter? Now it’s like 75.
No regrets on our EV, but I would feel a whole more more comfortable with 2x the capacity.
Too bad we can’t buy BYD here.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
Never heard the “above 80%” thing. I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about this. With lead-acid batteries, this was optimal. I’m pretty confident that lithium ion batteries it’s best to keep the charge as high as possible. Ideally you’d only ever use it fully charged. It’s health is harmed by draining it low/fully.
I don’t own an EV, but I know enough about it that I’m pretty sure this is the case. You should look it up for your vehicle though. This advice also applies to phones and other lithium ion batteries too. Lead-acid was damaged by keeping the charge high, but lithium ion is damaged when low, and almost all devices are lithium ion now.
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
Expect CLTC to be advertising the best possible range.
There’s a ceramic battery hitting the market that has a marginally higher density and nothing is stopping them from adding more batteries. There’s also a new hub-motor concept that has a lot less losses, but they’re not car sized yet.
Getting to 644 would be as easy as throwing more batteries at it, but i’d expect those numbers to come down a bit, or the price to be much higher.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 3 hours ago
Adding more batteries increases the weight, though, which in turn makes the motors work harder, and therefore makes them use more energy to do the same thing.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
I wish they would publish the battery capacity and fast charge rate. Assuming 4 miles per kWh I estimate it to be around 160kWh. If it can fast charge using a Megawatt charger then it could likely go from 20% to 80% in roughly 10 minutes gaining about 384 miles of range.
xenomor@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It’s amusing to me that the same folks to deride Chinese car manufacturers because they are somehow cheating by getting support from the government are the same people demanding that the US government artificially protect the US car industry by blocking Chinese imports. The point being that neither side actually objects to government participation in the market. But, one side uses it to make better products and service consumers, and the other does it to protect worse products from market forces.
reev@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
“A free market is self regulating” until someone makes a better product for less money, I guess.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 59 minutes ago
The point both of you deliberately overlook is that China is not participating in a free market anyway. They never played by those rules so there‘s no point in treating them the same way as anyone who does. There is a lot of hypocrisy to be found in politics and economics around the world and China itself is a prime example of that. But a measure to defend yourself from an obvious case of economic warfare is the most understandable thing in history. Your criticism is misplaced and irrational. I mean do you seriously think a monopoly is desirable?
Quazatron@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
We tasted some of that self regulating ‘free market’ a while ago. Banks were having huge profits from the housing bubble until the subprime crisis hit, banks went into default, and the losses were picked up by public money.
My profit. Our losses.
Legitimate_lake@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
After that it’s “unfair competition” and the state has to intervene