The only way this stops is if people give up their RING cameras.
No One, Including Our Furry Friends, Will Be Safer in Ring's Surveillance Nightmare
Submitted 20 hours ago by Beep@lemmus.org to technology@lemmy.world
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Zephorah@discuss.online 8 hours ago
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I bought a house Dec '23, the previous owner was a guy in his late 80s in poor health, so his kids had setup a full ring system to help keep an eye on him. The hour after I closed on it, I ripped all that shit out
nieminen@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Just ordered a set of reolink cameras to replace all our ring stuff.
modus@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Once they’re set up you can probably tell your router not to let them access the internet at all. This is assuming that you’re recording locally.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Won’t somebody please think of the
childrendogsEvotech@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I thought they ment furries
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Same. Had to read that headline twice just to be sure.
Rooster326@programming.dev 11 hours ago
Them too
hector@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
They don’t want to remind us of the children right now with the epstein stuff still washing up.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Depends on the identifiability of their fursuit surely
asbestos@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
What a fucking dystopia we live in
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
It is never a good idea to trust corporations with anything if it can be avoided. Almost by definition corporations put profit above all else, and many are perfectly willing to engage in blatantly illegal actions if it’s profitable.
Amazon being trusted with video footage from inside and outside people’s home was bound to lead to a surveillance nightmare at some point.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 11 hours ago
The message that needs to be hammered in harder than anything is that times when these are used to solve crimes and find missing innocent people are the EXCEPTION and not the rule. nor are they are the purpose.
Most criminals are just as stupid today as they were 50 or 100 years ago, and despite massive advances in a shitload of surveillance and forensics, not to mention MASSIVE increases in police funding, the rates of unresolved crime have only increased. Crime rates have dropped since their peak in the early 90s, but that is more than likely due to environmental factors and an ageing population more than anything else (crime is generally a thing young people do, by the time they hit middle age they’ve either given it up or gotten so good at it that they know how to evade the system). In Canada for example, despite massive increases in car telemetry and tracking and all that shit, the overwhelming majority of car thefts are unsolved. This is often when the car theft itself is caught on camera and probably the car driving away is also captured by multiple cameras. Unless the car is then used in a homicide, the police rarely care to investigate that much.
The point of all of these is to document any form of organisation, protest, or activism. If some group of people want to unionize or protest an unpopular law being proposed, planning that isn’t like planning a burglary. It necessitates communication and organization, and you need transportation. Most protestors can leave their phones behind at home (with me I’d turn it off and put it in a Faraday bag). Also the whole ‘nothing to hide, nothing to fear’ is utter shit. A single heated argument, sour facial expressions at hearing certain news reports (if you wanted to see me be visibly pissed off, look at me when I was seeing the horrific reports of how Palestinians were (are still) being killed). They can use this to develop a profile of what kind of person you are. Are you a super progressive person and also have skills useful in tech? Good luck getting that job now, because no matter how or where you apply, the AI will work to exclude your application.
I know some people who are VERY vocal about their views and also have a lot of highly in-demand skills but cannot find any work despite applying relentlessly. Their views also got them fired from their work since the companies they work for don’t like certain… leftist views. Those people are the squeakiest clean people in terms of the law, but that doesn’t mean the powers above like them.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Most criminals are just as stupid today as they were 50 or 100 years ago
Raiding boxcars (i.e. around LA) and porch piracy are now real, so they rather do the easiest ways of making mint instead of home invasion.
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Crime rates have dropped since their peak in the early 90s
At least partly due to the ban on lead additives in gasoline.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 15 hours ago
Better start picking up some high powered laser pointers.
KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
Would this work on municipal police cameras, asking for a friend.
nullroot@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I was curious so poked around a little online and found this very old albeit quite informative post: www.naimark.net/projects/zap/howto.html
jaybone@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
It will work until they start calling it TERRORISM!!1!11
iterable@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Not like every Tesla hasn’t been doing this already…
myserverisdown@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I also despise everything this would mean in terms of state surveillance, but if you could isolate this capability, it 100% would help recover lost dogs. Speaking from experience. We lost our dog for 6 days and didn’t have any idea where he was until 3 days passed. The most effective way to recover lost dogs is by knowing their current location and setting out live traps with food for them to find at night. Scared dogs don’t recognize their owners by sound so driving around calling for them wouldn’t help.
So if it this technology could work solely as a lost pet sighting tool and not a dystopian state surveillance tool, it would be immensely helpful.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Slap an air tag on their collar if you’re that concerned. I’d rather have less surveillance.
myserverisdown@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Yeah, I would too. The argument wasn’t that it’s a net good. The argument is that if it were to work as they claim and only identify animals matching the description of lost pets using a mesh network, then that helps pets and pet owners. That’s objectively true.
And air tags rely on Bluetooth signaling. Lost pets often avoid people so they don’t work very well in most cases. The only options that do work are subscription based(gross) GPS trackers that use cell towers and GPS signals to determine their location. Which we have now, but thanks.
hector@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
Put a collar with a tag with your phone number on it. You will get a call if they run off. Unless, well you will probably get a call.
myserverisdown@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
If the dog is able to be corralled sure, but most dogs when they’re loose actively avoid interaction.
melfie@lemy.lol 16 hours ago
Not sure what would prevent the average person from buying Ring cameras unless it became commonplace for Ring cameras to be vandalized while other cameras were left alone.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 hours ago
That’s just going to grow adoption.
People are buying Ring cameras/AI surveillance because they feel unsafe and are using these cameras to feel safer. If cameras start to get damaged in a specific neighborhood, residents are likely going to see it as a coordinated attack and invest in more cameras, including cameras to watch the other cameras.
cynar@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
A better option might be a leafleting campaign.
It would need to bypass the “I’ve nothing to hide” effect. E.g. “Does your friend have an ex they don’t want to know where they are? Facial recognition would easily put them on your doorstep. Would you like a visit from them?”
Leaning on the ICE issues right now would also work in some areas.
If someone mocked up a few variants for different demographics, that could actually help.
Also, does anyone know an easy layman alternative to ring, that is more ethical?
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
That Melania documentary was financed by Besos. Reportedly $70M development cost can easily include some slush fund elements to, if not directly to Trump family, to friends of MAGA. That Ring revenue can include federal contracts for ICE to shoot more people or AWS paid to run Skynet, is predictable.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 18 hours ago
Much darker than I originally thought.
Anyone know how this affects the U.K.?
glowie@infosec.pub 20 hours ago
Wait, which furries
suodrazah@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
The friends.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 20 hours ago
Any.