If the 2028 United States presidential election was held today, who would you vote for?

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

My question WASN’T actually clear enough, so I had to add “United States presidential” to the title. That said, I’ll start by saying I’d vote for Governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear.

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DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Democratic Primary: Which ever one in the top-two that’s more progressive

General: Democratic nominee

I mean that kinda is the only strategy

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- Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You could register Republican, then vote in the Republican primary for the less evil candidate.
  
  Then in the general election vote for the Democratic nominee.
  
  Although I don’t think many people are doing that, so maybe there’s a flaw to my thinking
  
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  - gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I simply don’t believe the GOP is possible to save at this point. So I’d never do that.
    
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  - DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Nah bro
    
    Even if a “moderate” candidate wins the republican primary, its still gonna be 10x worse than the average corporate dem
    
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- PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Actually I have a better voting strategy:
  
  But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to ~~make it c~~lose.
  
  — Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine.
  
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  - Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    So what is your plan to actually achieve goals? Protest? A coup d’etat? Civil war?
    
    Do you think archiving those goals in a MAGA-autocracy will be easier than in a less evil system?
    
    How many lives is that sort of change worth?
    
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  - surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I also like to fail at my goals. High five!
    
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- DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It was also the only strategy last election, but millions of idiots still voted for non-starter 3rd party candidates or didn’t vote.
  
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  - humanamerican@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Voting third party in non-swing states is one of the few ways for people to register their disgust with fake-ass corporate shill Dems.
    
    Voting third party in a swing state is idiotic.
    
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Klox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Never republican. Prior to that, whichever Democrat says they will reign hell fire.

Disbanding ICE, disbanding TSA, slashing CBP, cutting military 75+%, expanding the supreme court by 10 seats, expanding DOJ for all the criminal prosecurions, forcing better vote methodologiss, forcing a constitutional convention (new branches of government, independent DOJ), encouraging new states (DC, Guam, Puerto Rico) to join the union to fix Senate proportions, remove electoral college, and add in mechanisms for national no-confidence votes. There’s a lot more heh.

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- fonix232@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Getting rid of the TSA would be such a helpful step forward better air travel.
  
  Most countries' airport security is to some extent modelled after the TSA, and was done in lockstep with the US increasing "travel safety" via invasive processes. Obviously it is toned back A LOT, but if the US were to get rid of the TSA and provide more lax regulations on air travel, most international countries would follow.
  
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  - Scirocco@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    How so?
    
    I fly enough to hit “gold” status on major airlines, and have seen the transition from the shit-show that was TSA initially into a universally smooth and fast process.
    
    I think a lot of people don’t truly know the chaos that was pre-TSA screening. Do you recall being stuck in an aircraft at the gate, because the airline had to unload luggage for a passenger that hadn’t boarded?
    
    For a long time after 9/11 the only airport operating smoothly was DCA (Congress uses DCA)
    
    But for the last dozen or more years, things have only gotten smoother, everywhere.
    
    I passed through JFK screening in less than 22 minutes a few weeks ago.
    
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- DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  How about using that constitutional convention to turn the US into a socialist republic (or a “Cooperative Republic”)?
  
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- Scirocco@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’d do more than that
  
  Disband DHS. This agency was never required and was created merely as a knee-jerk to the information sharing problems that contributed to how 9/11 turned out.
  
  Ironically, the majority of those problems were actually between the FBI and CIA and DHS has no authority over either — that role was handled to the also-newly-created Director of National Intelligence (DNI)
  
  Sooooo we never needed the orwellian DHS in the first place
  
  Abolish ICE, HSI and CBP*. The the other constituent agencies carry on as they did before 9/11 and leave the LE/intelligence coordination to the DNI
  
  *Some folks would love to see ATF go, others want the end of TSA
  
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- K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You would actually trust a Democrat that came forward like that? We can even get them to commit not being assholes.
  
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  - Klox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Not Republican is the only qualifier if you’re not an insane person.
    
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DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
A 3rd party candidate that can’t possibly win because they’re from a non-viable party that isn’t actually trying to be viable and who has zero representatives in Congress.

Or maybe I just wouldn’t vote. It’s all so corrupt anyway.

PSYCHE!!!

I’m not a fucking blithering idiot. I’d vote for the candidate most likely to defeat Republicans/Fascists. So the Dem candidate. Whatever Dem candidate.

Because I’m not a fucking idiot.

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SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I would vote for whichever candidate that has firm, unflinching, support for Trans, NB and GNC people. Someone who will rescind every EO (with special focus on anti-LGBT orders), return our dignity and sense of belonging, and vow to veto any and all anti-LGBTQ+ pieces of legislation.

This is of course in addition to abolishing ICE.

Fat chance of either, unfortunately.

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- surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You only have two options. And this is first past the post voting, so you’re not really voting for anybody. You’re voting against the worst candidate.
  
  So given that, which party would you vote against?
  
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  - SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You’re right, there are effectively 2 options. Guess which option a trans person would vote for?
    
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Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I wouldn’t be able to.

But if I could, I would vote for the Democrat nominee. The voting system of the USA is a bit screwed, and voting for anyone but the better of the two most popular candidates is a wasted vote.

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- DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What do you think of parliamentary systems?
  
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  - Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    They are flawed as well. You will never agree with any party on all issues, so you have to already compromise during voting. Even more so if there is an electoral threshold.
    
    If that legislative would then try to find different majorities for every different issue, the population would still be represented relatively well. But that’s not what actually happens.
    
    Instead, two or three parties that represent just barely more than half the population get together and form a government. An executive government. That alone goes against the separation of powers.
    
    And after that, most legislative decisions are made unilaterally by that government coalition.
    
    That whole coalition circus doesn’t work without an electoral threshold, which again forces voters to compromise more.
    
    Instead, I’d like to vote for the government directly, through ranked voting. With a separate ranking for each minister. That way I could eg. give my highest vote to the green candidate for the ministry of transportation, and Dr. med XYZ of the conservative party for the ministry of health.
    
    Then, separate from the executive branch, I could imagine a parliament without an electoral threshold for the legislative. That would keep compromise during voting to a minimum. 0.5% of votes would already grant a seat. That way, voters can choose representatives they agree with on multiple issues.
    
    Although my preferred solution would be a more direct system of petitions and citizen’s assembly. If an open petition gets enough votes, or the government petitions something, then a randomly selected citizen’s assembly would be called to meet, research, debate and decide on that issue. Similar to jury duty in the US.
    
    Random selection sounds counter to what we generally consider democratic today. But it would be much less susceptible to corruption. And random selection means we get a representative sample of opinions.
    
    Direct voting on issues is also relatively safe from corruption. However, especially with less mainstream topics, it has a tendency to let extremists win. Because they are better at mobilizing their voters.
    
    For really important issues direct voting is still a pretty decent idea. For example for changes to the constitution. Especially if it takes 50% of eligible voters to change the constitution. Not just 50% of cast votes.
    
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birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Mamdani.

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- cibbecker@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Unfortunately the constitution prohibits him from ever becoming president, since he was born outside the US.
  
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  - birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The constitution didn’t prevent a felon and rapist from becoming a president. I say the constitution is dead and needs to be replaced by one in where socialism is prevalent.
    
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MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
To quote Jeopardy host Ken Jennings,

The “prosecute the former regime at every level” candidate has my vote in 2028.

Since we’re stuck with the two parties at the moment it’ll need to be a Democrat.

Mark Kelly has mentioned interest and seems to be willing to fight back, so I’m leaning towards him at the moment.

But it’s early so I’m open to candidates who meet the first requirement.

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zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Any politician that has put their own safety on the line. I don’t care if they ratiod Trump on truth social or even took him to court. People with far less privilege are showing up on the front lines to demand accountability, we should expect nothing less from our leaders.

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Skyrmir@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ll vote for the candidate that I think is going to do the most to advance the policy goals I’d like. Right now that happens to be the opposite of everything the GoP is doing, and half of what the Dems are doing.

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DemBoSain@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

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tiredofsametab@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Not the GoP. Not the green party, at least with Stein still around. Not the dems after all their nonsense. So... I don't know; we'll have to see who runs. The "good" news for anyone disliking my selections is that the (heavily-Gerrymandered) district means my vote will almost certainly mean fuck all anyway (assuming they don't come up with some bullshit to throw out overseas votes to begin with since I can't really do anything about that).

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BroBot9000@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Luigi

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Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Greta Thunberg

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Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
JB Pritzker I just think he would be a solid candidate

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DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Oh and by the way there will be an election in 2028

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- A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Hope springs eternal!
  
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- Railcar8095@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s been only one year of Trump and I’m not sure of that.
  
  I have the baseless theory that ICE is only an excuse to hire and arm like mined individuals that will fight and kill to protect Trump the day he announces no more elections.
  
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  - DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Do you think that there will be no elections in 2028?
    
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bryndos@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Pedro

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- DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Napoleon Dynamite reference?
  
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  - bryndos@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    yep.
    
    "If you vote for me, all of your wildest dreams will come true."
    
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Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Kang

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GroundedGator@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Sharp Guillotine (they/them) and their running mate Three-in-one Oil

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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Same answer: Nobody amerikkka 🏴

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- starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That’s why Trump won last time. People like you. Disgusting.
  
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  - PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Your faction of capital lost because they couldn’t stop fucking genociding Palestinians, campaigning with the fucking Cheneys, and they couldn’t even be fucking arsed to lie about a concept of a better future to a population so fucking servile than they would have forgotten about everything else if even offered the tiniest amount of mercy in domestic affairs, it was always ‘let’s go back to normal like Trump never happened, like the Gaza genocide never happened, like COVID-19 and Biden’s homicidal return to “normalcy” never happened, and like Kamala didn’t literally promise that there would be no fucking daylight between her and Biden’.
    
    And turbo fuck you for trying to claim the moral high ground or even a harm-reduction position when the candidate you want me to fucking vote for did a genocide and supported stronger ICE, police, and military. Just fuck you and fuck everything you care about, and I hope all your nightmares come to life forever.
    
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  - Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yes, people that expect better. We’re the problem. You caught us. Good job.
    
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  - K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Trump won last time because the party you are defending decided to run a senile POS that chose to court the right wing vote while throwing the marginalized communities they claim to support under the bus.
    
    Leftists told Democrats this is exactly what was gonna happen when they backed Biden in 2020.
    
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- DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Found the anti-American dipshit.
  
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  - PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    anti-American
    
    Buddy I’ve been pasting amerikkka emojis, of course I’m anti-AmeriKKKan, and if you’re not anti-AmeriKKKa by this point then your morals are worse than worthless.
    
    anti-democratic
    
    I oppose the (liberal) Democrats (big D) precisely because I support (direct anarchist) democracy (little D), and the Democrats do everything in their power to not foster democracy or even represent their constituents.
    
    Like you haven’t found anything, I’ve been screaming it from the rooftop 😆
    
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AccoSpoot1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Who’s in charge of the Communist party these days?

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- DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What?
  
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international9@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
vote for fishback! he’s running for Florida governor and he’s anti aipac

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- DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What did that person say?
  
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  - Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Modlog just says troll but doesn’t show what they wrote
    
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