I wonder if PS5 emulation would be less troublesome than PS3 due to it being closer to the regular PC iirc.
Why the PS5 ROM Leak Could be a Turning Point for Console Security
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altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
That’s a lot of work to play the like two games that aren’t already on PC
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Some of those on PC are under Denuvo, are different versions than console releases, not to say PS5 plays PS4 games too.
One of my main gripes with PC releases is that they almost never translate offline co-op playability, from GTA San Andreas (yeah) to recent Borderlands titles.
Besides, I do love a chance to deny temporal/permanent exclusives and half-baked ports my money, not for I’d play them, but for Sony and the likes knowing this tactic is not working anymore.
Ah, and Bloodborne. I hated Dark Souls, but the drive of that game is wild.
Hond@piefed.social 2 months ago
I’m not particularly deep into the emulation scene or even a dev with actual knowledge. But from what i’ve read over the years X86 doesnt have to be a beneficial because the instruction set is ridiculously big and complex. While the chips are based off of PC hardware there still is a lot of custom fuckery going on which isnt publicly documented.
Prominent example is to look at the state of OG XBOX emulation vs PS2. Based on a Pentium 3 and some semi custom Nvidia GPU of that time and you would expect it to be perfectly emulateable. But even after almost 25 years xbox emulation is still in a rough spot. While PS2 emulation with its weird custom architecture thrives.
Widespread interest in a plattform is probably a far more important factor.
With that said PS4 emulation is already pretty mature considering how young the shad4 project is. Even though its also x86, but they’re using an approach more like WINE i think(!).
PS5 has almost no exclusives though. Like GT7, Astrobot aaand uh? I dont see put effort into it too soon.
boaratio@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When I was in grad school, I had to take an Intel assembler class, and the manual for their x86 instructions was over 1000 pages. It’s insane.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
There has been attempts to do an emulation layer for Xbox One games on Windows with XWine1.
Will be interesting.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
Widespread interest in a plattform is probably a far more important factor.
That. Plenty of very good games were made for PS2.
pelya@lemmy.world 2 months ago
PS5 emulation is a long ways off, because you generally need 2X faster processor to emulate any console processor.
PS5 has the same x86-64 CPU architecture as PC, but you still need 2X faster graphics card to emulate those fancy raytracing units.
KittyCat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not necessarily, you can do it with equivalent hardware power if you have a good translation layer like proton
NotSteve_@piefed.ca 2 months ago
We also only just recently got a capable PS4 emulator. I’d imagine it’ll be a decade or two before the PS5 can be emulated in any sense
Hond@piefed.social 2 months ago
I dont think you can put a general number on that. But even if you do 2x is way to slow. Try maybe atleast 5-10x.
You can emulate a SNES so accuratly that you need atleast 2,4ghz to run the emulator at all.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Would there still be a 2x multiplier? PS3 was weird, but does it translate to future Sony systems too?
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Blood born remastered PC port 2027?
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
One can wish
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I wonder if now is the time to get a PS5, under the assumption that ones produced in the future will have a different root key and thus be non-exploitable. I have a Xbox now but that platform is dead in the water. And Steam Machines will be hideously expense due to insane hardware prices.
joyjoy@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I think it’s a bit early to assume traditional consoles won’t be effected by hardware prices.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Another potential reason to buy a PS5 now, I guess?
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Been wondering the same. If the console gets opened up I’ll be rushing to get a PS5 to get one with old firmware that hasn’t had the exploit patched out.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Don’t forget to firewall it or you’ll get a patch anyways
ftbd@feddit.org 2 months ago
What does this have to do with security? Do they expect evil maid attacks on the PS5 people carry around to do their online banking on?
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
That’s a particularly narrow view of what security means.
www.playstation.com/en-ca/accessories/#camerasrem…
Peripherals can be used for surveillance, gaining bank account details that way, or to dox content creators, kids, etc.
This is assuming this leak can pivot into malware for userspace in the console, I haven’t read yet.
eleijeep@piefed.social 2 months ago
Does anyone else get a certificate warning when visiting this site?
q5VtXnYt@infosec.pub 2 months ago
I did not get a warning
AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Is this a good moment to buy a cd reader for ps5 slim?
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
This is probably going to encourage Sony to go the Apple route and start making their own silicon so they have full control.
ziggurat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That wouldn’t solve the problem
tabular@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How dare users have control of their own hardware!
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Silly consumer, you don’t own anything! You’ll take your license and follow these terms.
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
The licence over 100 pages long, with deliberately convoluted language no one ever expects you to read. Some services even block you from accepting if you haven’t scrolled to the end, but then most give a “Skip to bottom” button!
And since most EULAs are not grounded in reality and as such unworkable, they’re pretty much just a scare tactic.
FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
tbf, most Consoles sold at a Loss, so Consoles would have to become more expensive if that wasn’t the case.
Just join the PC Masterrace
tabular@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’d rather pay more money for a freer system but that option isn’t offered. Either I’m too niche or locking users down is more valuable than raw sale profit (or both).
I’ve not bought a console since they got internet and needed updates. Been Windows-free for a while too.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The raised the price after market to make more money
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Not really anymore, these days consoles are sold at a profit
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
If Cory Doctorow’s talk on Post US tech is accurate I suspect users may be able to take quite a bit of control back from corpos soon enough.
ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Accurate? Certainly. Politically Feasible? That’s another story.