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Why the PS5 ROM Leak Could be a Turning Point for Console Security

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://respawn.outlookindia.com/gaming/gaming-originals/why-the-ps5-rom-leak-could-be-a-turning-point-for-console-security

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  • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How dare users have control of their own hardware!

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    • TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Silly consumer, you don’t own anything! You’ll take your license and follow these terms.

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      • unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The licence over 100 pages long, with deliberately convoluted language no one ever expects you to read. Some services even block you from accepting if you haven’t scrolled to the end, but then most give a “Skip to bottom” button!

        And since most EULAs are not grounded in reality and as such unworkable, they’re pretty much just a scare tactic.

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    • FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      tbf, most Consoles sold at a Loss, so Consoles would have to become more expensive if that wasn’t the case.

      Just join the PC Masterrace

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      • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’d rather pay more money for a freer system but that option isn’t offered. Either I’m too niche or locking users down is more valuable than raw sale profit (or both).

        I’ve not bought a console since they got internet and needed updates. Been Windows-free for a while too.

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      • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The raised the price after market to make more money

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      • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not really anymore, these days consoles are sold at a profit

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    • ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If Cory Doctorow’s talk on Post US tech is accurate I suspect users may be able to take quite a bit of control back from corpos soon enough.

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      • ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Accurate? Certainly. Politically Feasible? That’s another story.

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  • altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wonder if PS5 emulation would be less troublesome than PS3 due to it being closer to the regular PC iirc.

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    • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a lot of work to play the like two games that aren’t already on PC

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      • altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Some of those on PC are under Denuvo, are different versions than console releases, not to say PS5 plays PS4 games too.

        One of my main gripes with PC releases is that they almost never translate offline co-op playability, from GTA San Andreas (yeah) to recent Borderlands titles.

        Besides, I do love a chance to deny temporal/permanent exclusives and half-baked ports my money, not for I’d play them, but for Sony and the likes knowing this tactic is not working anymore.

        Ah, and Bloodborne. I hated Dark Souls, but the drive of that game is wild.

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    • Hond@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m not particularly deep into the emulation scene or even a dev with actual knowledge. But from what i’ve read over the years X86 doesnt have to be a beneficial because the instruction set is ridiculously big and complex. While the chips are based off of PC hardware there still is a lot of custom fuckery going on which isnt publicly documented.

      Prominent example is to look at the state of OG XBOX emulation vs PS2. Based on a Pentium 3 and some semi custom Nvidia GPU of that time and you would expect it to be perfectly emulateable. But even after almost 25 years xbox emulation is still in a rough spot. While PS2 emulation with its weird custom architecture thrives.

      Widespread interest in a plattform is probably a far more important factor.

      With that said PS4 emulation is already pretty mature considering how young the shad4 project is. Even though its also x86, but they’re using an approach more like WINE i think(!).

      PS5 has almost no exclusives though. Like GT7, Astrobot aaand uh? I dont see put effort into it too soon.

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      • boaratio@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        When I was in grad school, I had to take an Intel assembler class, and the manual for their x86 instructions was over 1000 pages. It’s insane.

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      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There has been attempts to do an emulation layer for Xbox One games on Windows with XWine1.

        Will be interesting.

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      • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Widespread interest in a plattform is probably a far more important factor.

        That. Plenty of very good games were made for PS2.

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    • pelya@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      PS5 emulation is a long ways off, because you generally need 2X faster processor to emulate any console processor.

      PS5 has the same x86-64 CPU architecture as PC, but you still need 2X faster graphics card to emulate those fancy raytracing units.

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      • KittyCat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not necessarily, you can do it with equivalent hardware power if you have a good translation layer like proton

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      • NotSteve_@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        We also only just recently got a capable PS4 emulator. I’d imagine it’ll be a decade or two before the PS5 can be emulated in any sense

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      • Hond@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I dont think you can put a general number on that. But even if you do 2x is way to slow. Try maybe atleast 5-10x.

        You can emulate a SNES so accuratly that you need atleast 2,4ghz to run the emulator at all.

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      • altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Would there still be a 2x multiplier? PS3 was weird, but does it translate to future Sony systems too?

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  • stupidcasey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Blood born remastered PC port 2027?

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    • v4ld1z@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      One can wish

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  • baggachipz@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wonder if now is the time to get a PS5, under the assumption that ones produced in the future will have a different root key and thus be non-exploitable. I have a Xbox now but that platform is dead in the water. And Steam Machines will be hideously expense due to insane hardware prices.

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    • joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think it’s a bit early to assume traditional consoles won’t be effected by hardware prices.

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      • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Another potential reason to buy a PS5 now, I guess?

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    • Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Been wondering the same. If the console gets opened up I’ll be rushing to get a PS5 to get one with old firmware that hasn’t had the exploit patched out.

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      • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Don’t forget to firewall it or you’ll get a patch anyways

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  • ftbd@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What does this have to do with security? Do they expect evil maid attacks on the PS5 people carry around to do their online banking on?

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    • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a particularly narrow view of what security means.

      www.playstation.com/en-ca/accessories/#camerasrem…

      Peripherals can be used for surveillance, gaining bank account details that way, or to dox content creators, kids, etc.

      This is assuming this leak can pivot into malware for userspace in the console, I haven’t read yet.

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  • eleijeep@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Does anyone else get a certificate warning when visiting this site?

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    • q5VtXnYt@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I did not get a warning

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  • AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is this a good moment to buy a cd reader for ps5 slim?

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  • DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is probably going to encourage Sony to go the Apple route and start making their own silicon so they have full control.

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    • ziggurat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That wouldn’t solve the problem

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