If you’re going to add AI shit it should be something people can easily turn on. It should be off by default.
It just keeps getting worse - Firefox to "evolve into a modern AI browser"
Submitted 1 day ago by RmDebArc_5@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
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ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 1 day ago
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not only the setting off, but any sort of behind the scenes stuff related to it disabled as well. No automatic updating, no background processes to “keep it ready, just in case”. Do that when it’s enabled.
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
3abas@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve been really enjoying zen.
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 1 day ago
You should be careful with zen.
The devs made questionable choices in the past.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 day ago
The idea is nice, but they all trail behind when it comes to updates and that includes security updates. The browser is just the biggest attack vector on my system and I really don’t want that bit of software to be outdated.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 day ago
he browser is just the biggest attack vector on my system and I really-
Want to add another software 8 suites worth of vulnerabilities to that…
communism@lemmy.ml 23 hours ago
They should be pretty on it for security updates. Librewolf is also hardened compared to upstream Firefox so if security is a concern, you’re probably better off using the fork anyway.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Yeah this ain’t it chief. Hope we can nuke the feature into oblivion, but we all know that won’t be possible as Firefox enshittifies
RazTheCat@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
They have pushed me back to Vivaldi.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Not open source.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
So chrome? Why the fuck would you use chrome that’s awful
kaotic@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Fuck waterfox use an actual trust worthy fork like librefox
ChuckTheMonkey@fedia.io 1 day ago
It's very sad as I don't think there's a proper alternative in short term. In the end, I am afraid that I'll have to keep using Firefox because it's essentially the "lesser evil",
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
FF was suppose to be alternative to google, until google “captured competition” by making up majority of thier revenue.
bilb@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
It started as an alternative to Internet Explorer and was so much better it actually overtook it.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Waterfox, Librewolf, Ironfox
zewm@lemmy.world 1 day ago
[deleted]douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m currently running Vivaldi and it’s been fine. YouTube is even smoother.
So you switched to a Google controlled ecosystem. To no one’s surprise their own products, which intentionally run worse on competitive browsers, will work more smoothly once you use their backing software…
Google has a long history of abusing their position of power to “punish” users of other browsers and ecosystems by violating web standards, don’t use Google’s browsers or their derivatives.
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 day ago
When Firefox started recording key strokes
Source? That’s news to me, and when I tried finding a source myself, all I found were extensions etc. to add that to the browser.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Better to “send keystrokes” to Google.
punrca@piefed.world 1 day ago
Just why? AI browsers have serious security/privacy implications.
For e.g:
1. https://brave.com/blog/unseeable-prompt-injections/
2. Blog series: https://brave.com/series/security-privacy-in-agentic-browsing/jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Thank you. These are great articles.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Waterfox. LibreWolf. Fennec.
Just use a fork; rawdogging Firefox is already a bit crazy.
Turret3857@infosec.pub 1 day ago
IronFox over Fennec
blunderworld@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Very unfortunate development, which seems par for the course from Mozilla these days.
I’m jumping ship. Which browser would y’all recommend at this point? Preferably something I can get on android as well as linux.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world 1 day ago
LibreWolf is a great alternative on Linux. It’s Firefox with all the bs stripped out and out-of-the-box privacy settings turned on.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is what I have used for the last few years (after being a Firefox user for almost 2 decades), and yeah we’re probably safe for a little while, but it seems the writing is on the wall. The LibreWolf team can only do so much when the core browser is constantly being enshittified. I hoped this was a flash in the pan thing and LibreWolf would save us until Mozilla regained its senses, but it seems they’ve gone batshit.
I too will be keeping my eyes peeled for what to use next.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
What do you do to move your bookmarks/history over?
I really do like using Firefox sync. I know its probably bad but it is a super nice feature that works.
yessikg@fedia.io 11 hours ago
Waterfox works in both, it's not on f-droid so if you want to avoid the Play store then you have to use something like Obtainium
TheLastOfHisName@piefed.social 1 day ago
I’m a fan of Vivaldi browser. Works great on Linux and Android. Bonus: Their leadership has gone on record stating there will be no AI in their browser.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Where do they stand on manifest v3 things? Can we use uBlock origin? Full, not lite. Haven’t followed them enough to know.
cabbage@piefed.social 1 day ago
I found their roadmap for 2026 to be pretty inspiring.
darreninthenet@piefed.social 1 day ago
How do you find the speed vs Firefox?
goatinspace@feddit.org 1 day ago
Floorp, brave, fennec
raldone01@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I just found out about this on mobile firefox must be quite new too. That opt in is really disgusting.
aloofPenguin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah, I’m just glad that it’s opt-in. I don’t find the option/ notion very palatable.
raldone01@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I forgot default. I never selected it and it activated on its own.
boboliosisjones@feddit.nu 1 day ago
I said it before but they are really excelling at alienating their users in (failed) attempts at attracting new ones.
It pains me to see, I don’t want to use chromium, but there is a limit…
ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Over to Waterfox then.
I don’t care if there is a way to ‘disable it’ (there won’t be) - if it’s there, it not on my PC.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You already can’t disable AI gemerated summaries on mobile.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
noai.duckduckgo.com - yes you can
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Gonna need a new default browser now.
ozymandias@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
probably Floorp or Librewolf
laurelraven@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
I can recommend checking out Zen as well
Diurnambule@jlai.lu 18 hours ago
That a way yo beat dead internet theory. Get IA hallucinate the web you browse and no need to webbrowser to have internet access.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ok so where do I go? Waterfox?
luckyeddy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I can vouch for zen browser! It’s been really good (so far)!
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 1 day ago
In my experience, Zen’s design and customization is really nice but it’s also extremely buggy. Maybe to be expected, as I think they are still in their alpha release.
I was also concerned about maybe getting fingerprinted more easily since it’s a very niche browser.
korendian@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I don’t know if the zen browser on the play store is the same as this one, but I just tried it out and got hit with an unskippable full screen 10 second ad. Not the experience I was hoping for.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
How’s the extension ecosystem? Or is it compatible with Firefox/Chrome extensions?
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Floorp is good
frunch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve been using Firefox for longer than i can remember. That said, I’m ready to make the leap if necessary. What’s the next browser to succeed Firefox? Suggestions??
radiouser@crazypeople.online 1 day ago
I “switched” last night (just to poke about) LibreWolf for PC and Fennec for phone.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 1 day ago
So, let me get this straight. You’ve been using Firefox forever, but you’re willing to switch immediately over obvious sensational clickbait?
frunch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just looking for the next good browser, that’s all. Just the same as i was willing to ditch reddit for greener pastures, even with the snarky cunts that came along too lol
gtr@programming.dev 1 day ago
Next browser on desktop will be one that has intentionally no JS support. If I’m making compromises I might as well go all the way through. 😅
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Super pleased with Vivaldi
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Vivaldi is chromium based. The goal is to not support Google’s monopoly and stranglehold over dictating web standards.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
I just want to be able to group tabs on mobile 🥲
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ll consider using Mozilla once Anthony Enzor-DeMeo is fired or fucks off.
My decision has been rammed through in the exact same uncaring and unilateral way that Tony wants to ram AI down Mozilla users throats.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Make sure you keep a list of all of these companies pushing ai bullshit. When the bubble pops, do not go back to them, do not give them anything, fuck them for being greedy idiots
I will gladly support initiatives that are anti-ai.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Get ready for the Firefox defenders to comment as the water in the kettle they are swimming in gets a few degrees warmer.
slacktoid@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Not defending but what’s the alternative to the chromium monopoly? Most Firefox forks people talk about are a fork of the Firefox version + some patches. You’re better off using Phoenix instead of those forks IMO.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean, all modern browsers are forks. I don’t understand your point.
Feyd@programming.dev 1 day ago
I’m usually a firefox defender, because usually people are blowing everything they do out of proportion, and straight up making up negatives.
That said, I don’t know what a “modern AI browser” is but I know it’s something I don’t want. Hopefully “AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off.” Is a serious statement.
But also, the AI features they’ve added so far have been out of my way and haven’t bothered me, and if what you’re calling for is to use chromium based browsers (gecko down stream is fine) then you are making the wrong decision for the future of the internet. Firefox, chrome, edge, and safari are the only browsers which have a snowballs chance of being accepted in corporate environments, and supporting google over Mozilla is a losing proposition.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’re not wrong but Mozilla is real busy making Firefox another bad choice among many bad choices.
Maybe it’s time to go back to BBSes. This whole internet thing kinda sucks now.
frongt@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
It’s still tolerably warm, and there are no other kettles that would be worth switching to right now. I use Firefox and if it ever popped an AI feature at me, I turned it off a long time ago and haven’t thought about it since.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Has anyone tried Mullvad Browser and would care to comment on their experience comparing to LibreFox, WaterFox, Floorp, Zen etc. ?
nforminvasion@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
It’s pretty bland, but it’s meant to be. It’s main function is to be the second most fingerprint resistant and private browser. It’s second is the ability to use Mullvad VPN tunnels per tab or domain.
Besides that, it is not recommended that you use it for logging in to sites or for personalized use cases. If you add extensions like a password manager for said logging in, you fingerprint yourself.
Honestly, I’m going to be blunt, I think it is great for light scrolling and some media consumption, but I don’t see its use case. It is faster than Tor and so if you find it filling a need where you might not need Tor, great! Otherwise, I don’t really see its appeal.
If I really want to blend in, I’ll use Tor, and otherwise I enjoy having my browser customized to my needs. Floorp is my daily driver, and I know I’m super fingerprintable using it. I just don’t care for the things I’m looking up and the fact that I have ad blockers and other privacy features set up.
Mullvad doesn’t have vertical tabs, it is lacking web apps, it doesn’t include much customization, and its settings are really sparse. You can of course go to about::config and change whatever you want (as long as the browser has it, so not vertical tabs), but then you defeat the purpose of them having limited options: to hide your fingerprint a little less than Tor but much more than other browsers
All this to say, it’s a good browser and I am sure there are others who have found much more use out of it than I have, but it’s not the browser for me.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
That makes sense. Not all browsers are meant to be daily drivers. It sounds like it would be good for certain use cases. Thank you for sharing in detail.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
When talking about it earlier, they mentioned the integrated AI would be local-only… Which sounds better, but I doubt is even possible (imagine all the low-end devices attempting to generate a response or analyse the website on their 6-8-year old CPUs…).
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Bring on ladybird!
MehBlah@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
A non beneficial mutation at best.
Stern@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“Company does AI bullshit, fails miserably.”
Countdown to the part of the headline after the comma.
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Since everyone is mentioning browsers, what should we use on mobile now? Tor isn’t really a option, since most sites won’t let you access them by it.
OscarRobin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Like many others, I switched away recently after years of Mozilla’s constant suckery. Fed up with dealing with their constant terrible decisions.
puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
The AI browsers took my Arc they better leave my Zen Browser TF alone with these shenanigans.
scala@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
How can we write to them? This is idiotic
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
compare to vivaldi flat out refusing ai, keeping mv2, and actually building a blocker and tracker into the browser.
Scrollone@feddit.it 21 hours ago
Too bad Vivaldi is still based on Chrome.
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
And is closed source