Gonna need a new default browser now.
It just keeps getting worse - Firefox to "evolve into a modern AI browser"
Submitted 1 month ago by RmDebArc_5@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
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SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 1 month ago
ozymandias@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
probably Floorp or Librewolf
laurelraven@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I can recommend checking out Zen as well
punrca@piefed.world 1 month ago
Just why? AI browsers have serious security/privacy implications.
For e.g:
1. https://brave.com/blog/unseeable-prompt-injections/
2. Blog series: https://brave.com/series/security-privacy-in-agentic-browsing/jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Thank you. These are great articles.
raldone01@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I just found out about this on mobile firefox must be quite new too. That opt in is really disgusting.
aloofPenguin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, I’m just glad that it’s opt-in. I don’t find the option/ notion very palatable.
raldone01@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I forgot default. I never selected it and it activated on its own.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
compare to vivaldi flat out refusing ai, keeping mv2, and actually building a blocker and tracker into the browser.
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 month ago
Too bad Vivaldi is still based on Chrome.
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
And is closed source
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Yeah this ain’t it chief. Hope we can nuke the feature into oblivion, but we all know that won’t be possible as Firefox enshittifies
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ok so where do I go? Waterfox?
luckyeddy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I can vouch for zen browser! It’s been really good (so far)!
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In my experience, Zen’s design and customization is really nice but it’s also extremely buggy. Maybe to be expected, as I think they are still in their alpha release.
I was also concerned about maybe getting fingerprinted more easily since it’s a very niche browser.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How’s the extension ecosystem? Or is it compatible with Firefox/Chrome extensions?
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Floorp is good
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ll consider using Mozilla once Anthony Enzor-DeMeo is fired or fucks off.
My decision has been rammed through in the exact same uncaring and unilateral way that Tony wants to ram AI down Mozilla users throats.
termaxima@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
But why !? Chatbots are useful enough, I don’t need AI anywhere else than when I explicitly choose to use it on my terms !
You wanna make money ? Make a chatbot that lies less and/or doesn’t reinforce people into their delusions, or one that runs for cheaper, or both.
AI is useful. Just like knives are useful. Doesn’t mean I want every object I own to also somehow be or contain multiple knives 😅
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 1 month ago
how would this afffect the forked versions like Waterfox, LibreWolf, IronFox? The AI part is a separated feature from mainline Firefox branch, so forks can choose not to include it?
yessikg@fedia.io 1 month ago
For now
frunch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ve been using Firefox for longer than i can remember. That said, I’m ready to make the leap if necessary. What’s the next browser to succeed Firefox? Suggestions??
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 1 month ago
So, let me get this straight. You’ve been using Firefox forever, but you’re willing to switch immediately over obvious sensational clickbait?
frunch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Just looking for the next good browser, that’s all. Just the same as i was willing to ditch reddit for greener pastures, even with the snarky cunts that came along too lol
radiouser@crazypeople.online 1 month ago
I “switched” last night (just to poke about) LibreWolf for PC and Fennec for phone.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Super pleased with Vivaldi
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Vivaldi is chromium based. The goal is to not support Google’s monopoly and stranglehold over dictating web standards.
gtr@programming.dev 1 month ago
Next browser on desktop will be one that has intentionally no JS support. If I’m making compromises I might as well go all the way through. 😅
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Make sure you keep a list of all of these companies pushing ai bullshit. When the bubble pops, do not go back to them, do not give them anything, fuck them for being greedy idiots
I will gladly support initiatives that are anti-ai.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Get ready for the Firefox defenders to comment as the water in the kettle they are swimming in gets a few degrees warmer.
slacktoid@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Not defending but what’s the alternative to the chromium monopoly? Most Firefox forks people talk about are a fork of the Firefox version + some patches. You’re better off using Phoenix instead of those forks IMO.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I mean, all modern browsers are forks. I don’t understand your point.
Feyd@programming.dev 1 month ago
I’m usually a firefox defender, because usually people are blowing everything they do out of proportion, and straight up making up negatives.
That said, I don’t know what a “modern AI browser” is but I know it’s something I don’t want. Hopefully “AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off.” Is a serious statement.
But also, the AI features they’ve added so far have been out of my way and haven’t bothered me, and if what you’re calling for is to use chromium based browsers (gecko down stream is fine) then you are making the wrong decision for the future of the internet. Firefox, chrome, edge, and safari are the only browsers which have a snowballs chance of being accepted in corporate environments, and supporting google over Mozilla is a losing proposition.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re not wrong but Mozilla is real busy making Firefox another bad choice among many bad choices.
Maybe it’s time to go back to BBSes. This whole internet thing kinda sucks now.
frongt@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
It’s still tolerably warm, and there are no other kettles that would be worth switching to right now. I use Firefox and if it ever popped an AI feature at me, I turned it off a long time ago and haven’t thought about it since.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Over to Waterfox then.
I don’t care if there is a way to ‘disable it’ (there won’t be) - if it’s there, it not on my PC.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You already can’t disable AI gemerated summaries on mobile.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
noai.duckduckgo.com - yes you can
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Nope, time for a new browser.
njordomir@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If they truly believe in their AI offerings, they should release them as an extension so users can choose to install them. You only bundle shit people don’t want. If it’s good, you distribute it stand-alone.
NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
It’s not possible to bundle everything as an extension. Some things do not work that way.
group_hug@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The people are the product. You think anything is built for the end users benefit? These things only exist to spy on you, track you and spam ads for the benefit of a few billionaires that are In power so the can further enrich themselves and hold onto/increase their power.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Hahaha fuck Firefox. Been saying it for years. Used to be the goat. Hasn’t been for a decade and a half.
dewritoninja@pawb.social 1 month ago
Welp, time to move to waterfox for good
RazTheCat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They have pushed me back to Vivaldi.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Not open source.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
So chrome? Why the fuck would you use chrome that’s awful
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Chromium not Chrome.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
When talking about it earlier, they mentioned the integrated AI would be local-only… Which sounds better, but I doubt is even possible (imagine all the low-end devices attempting to generate a response or analyse the website on their 6-8-year old CPUs…).
dwzap@lemmy.world 1 month ago
FWIW the development is done publicly, so you can check these claims blog.ziade.org/…/two-years-of-ai-at-mozilla/
kaotic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Fuck waterfox use an actual trust worthy fork like librefox
Stern@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Company does AI bullshit, fails miserably.”
Countdown to the part of the headline after the comma.
Diurnambule@jlai.lu 1 month ago
That a way yo beat dead internet theory. Get IA hallucinate the web you browse and no need to webbrowser to have internet access.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Has anyone tried Mullvad Browser and would care to comment on their experience comparing to LibreFox, WaterFox, Floorp, Zen etc. ?
nforminvasion@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s pretty bland, but it’s meant to be. It’s main function is to be the second most fingerprint resistant and private browser. It’s second is the ability to use Mullvad VPN tunnels per tab or domain.
Besides that, it is not recommended that you use it for logging in to sites or for personalized use cases. If you add extensions like a password manager for said logging in, you fingerprint yourself.
Honestly, I’m going to be blunt, I think it is great for light scrolling and some media consumption, but I don’t see its use case. It is faster than Tor and so if you find it filling a need where you might not need Tor, great! Otherwise, I don’t really see its appeal.
If I really want to blend in, I’ll use Tor, and otherwise I enjoy having my browser customized to my needs. Floorp is my daily driver, and I know I’m super fingerprintable using it. I just don’t care for the things I’m looking up and the fact that I have ad blockers and other privacy features set up.
Mullvad doesn’t have vertical tabs, it is lacking web apps, it doesn’t include much customization, and its settings are really sparse. You can of course go to about::config and change whatever you want (as long as the browser has it, so not vertical tabs), but then you defeat the purpose of them having limited options: to hide your fingerprint a little less than Tor but much more than other browsers
All this to say, it’s a good browser and I am sure there are others who have found much more use out of it than I have, but it’s not the browser for me.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That makes sense. Not all browsers are meant to be daily drivers. It sounds like it would be good for certain use cases. Thank you for sharing in detail.
OscarRobin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Like many others, I switched away recently after years of Mozilla’s constant suckery. Fed up with dealing with their constant terrible decisions.
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
What did you switch to, prey tell?
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Probably a fork of Firefox that can only survive as a side effect of the Mozilla engineering team’s constant efforts.
Or a Chromium based browser.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
I just want to be able to group tabs on mobile 🥲
puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
The AI browsers took my Arc they better leave my Zen Browser TF alone with these shenanigans.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Bring on ladybird!
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
ladybird devs are right wing garbage and the entire project is backed by big tech cloudflare
MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
A non beneficial mutation at best.
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Since everyone is mentioning browsers, what should we use on mobile now? Tor isn’t really a option, since most sites won’t let you access them by it.
yessikg@fedia.io 1 month ago
Also Waterfox
kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Firefox, Firefox Focus, Fennec, IronFox.
Plenty of choice for different needs.
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s all Firefox forks :(
Is there a way that a Firefox fork does not use AI?
boboliosisjones@feddit.nu 1 month ago
I said it before but they are really excelling at alienating their users in (failed) attempts at attracting new ones.
It pains me to see, I don’t want to use chromium, but there is a limit…