google search results are still kind of useful especially for non-english language queries, anyone knows a good alternative?
searxng also doesn’t really seem to work these days…
SearXNG works flawlessly…
just realized whoogle is dead now
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crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 5 hours ago Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Not the same but you can use a terminal browser like lynx, links2, w3m, or browsh and pipe the output wherever you want. Similarly you can force standard browsers to run in an html only mode.
mysterious_cake@feddit.nl 3 hours ago
It’s not much of a loss because google search results are shit anyway.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
What’s your choice search engine?
mysterious_cake@feddit.nl 1 hour ago
Mostly Qwant but I also run an instance of searxng (google does not respond to it though).
dial_pootis@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Duckduckgo is surprisingly okay, even with non-english queries by using the region selector (your experience may vary)
hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
ddg is my primary right now, it absolutely sucks for korean queries sadly
charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Isn’t it just Bing with privacy? Or do they use there own tweeks or something? It’s what I use nowadays since google never finds anything i look for these days
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 1 day ago
DDG is an US based company. They will comply to all the patriot act bullshit and pipeline all your searches to the NSA…
If they really cared about privacy they wouldn’t be based in the US.
kalpol@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
Searxng works fine for me. It’s at least as good as google?
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago Entirely depends on the instance admin and whether or not they keep it maintained and up to date.
thenikraj@lemmy.ml 1 day ago The modern internet is getting filthier by the day. Gone are the days where independent software used to be a thing I suppose.
irmadlad@lemmy.world 1 day ago Oh, idk. The entire internet and supporting infrastructure pretty much runs on opensourced software. When you’re talking about a search engine tho, unless you have a data center, a huge pile of cash, and a willingness to part with most of it, search engines are expensive to run.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We’re going to have a lot of data centres sitting idle when the AI bubble bursts.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hear me out. From day one we all needed to collectively reject any effort to make any profit online. I don’t care if you built something cool, sold furry art or create some neat SAAS. Day one everything should have been stolen and replicated. Everyone should have been terrified of putting anything online out of fear that the monetary value would go to 0 as it was digitally recreated. We wouldn’t be in this situation today with Trump if we stood our ground. We’d have flying cars and world peace
- irmadlad@lemmy.world 1 day ago
From day one we all needed to collectively reject any effort to make any profit online.
WUT? Why?
We wouldn’t be in this situation today with Trump
Trump was inevitable and is a product of silly, gullible Americans blown about by political winds without a compass or direction. Americans don’t vote with the long term in mind. For the most part, their future lies within 4 year increments, never really grasping the fact that legislation passed today will be with us for generations if not longer. All you have to do is look at Cannabis laws in this country perpetuated by rich, white, racist, capitalist from 100 years ago.
We’d have flying cars and world peace
As someone who has been promised flying cars for 71 years, I don’t think I want the average motorist flying about all willy nilly. We can’t even handle the tarmac ffs…and you want flying cars? World peace? The world doesn’t want peace. There is too much to be had in conflict.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We’d have flying cars and world peace
No we wouldn’t. World peace will never happen because there’s always something that will happen. Some (so called) leader will get killed, someone will mine for oil where they’re not supposed to, someone will bomb a religious group.
Flying cars, lol that is a crack head thing to want or ever think it will happen. People can hardly drive in the fuckin’ road!!! There’s accidents on the highway every single day, so every single day you’d see someone fall out of the sky.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
A few months ago before joined lemmy I said to my friends and family, we’re going to see an open-source revolution where people are going to start going in on community based ideas. There’s nothing like it either.
Coming together to make an open source project happen is one of those things that makes my back to that happy drippy feeling because everyone gets a say and their input is heard plus a lot of people who give their input aren’t even looking for a pay, nonetheless want to be credited unless were hands-on with a project (like a coder).
Every single thing that’s open source is for the people. Everything that is closed is for the greedy ass corporations.
1984@lemmy.today 18 hours ago
All of this when you get the super excellent Kagi for 10 dollars, from an actual search company that values privacy.
Its exactly what everyone wants but no, can’t pay 10 dollars I guess. :)
- ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
from an actual search company that values privacy.
California company obliged by FVEY? While I appreciate their efforts, American based companies don’t exactly scream privacy respecting when they can be turned into Data Collectors under the Patriot Act.
- crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 5 hours ago
USA gag orders are real. Cannot trust US companies selling privacy at all.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
To be honest, this is one of those times where I would say that it’s not that bad. Can’t expect a company to outright violate the laws of the country they’re registered in, you need to be friends with Trump to do that. If they keep their shit away from all the corpo vultures and only comply with direct subpoenas, it’s probably the best we can hope for.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I’ve seen so many people say that kagi is overhyped
thestrike@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago Degoog! github.com/degoog-org/degoog
hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
looks neat, will look into it. tysm!
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
“internet indexer” should really be a government / EU / UN sponsored public utility thing. And then you have front ends that can improve the search query and filter and sort the results.
There is just no reason to have so much wealth / advertising drain from the public for such a fundamental thing.
DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
There’s probably going to be a large data center or 10 for sale in a few years 🤞🏻
cdzero@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
“Just pickup an old data centre on the cheap and slap Linux on it”
The next step in selfhosting.
fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
And all of them will be borderline useless for actual compute
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sociologically, economically and environmentally, these data centers aren’t going to be feasible. Our planet can not sustain them. You can build a nuclear energy site in every state, you will have fails and net losses, you will have nuclear, biological and chemical contamination along the way amd you will destroy lives trying to make a form of automation better.
That is what the observation I’ve had is. Is unless we put these things near propane sources or have them generating their own c02 as a coolant or having them do anything else but use water based energy even nuclear rods being soaked for steam based energy isn’t going to save the data centers it will only make things worse.
Also nuclear power plants are just massive targets for enemies. Right now it’s airforce bases and potential silos, you add nuclear power plants intkt he mix and have those in major civilian areas that’s now something an enemy can leverage. Bet you all never thought of that one.
I think we will see the effort aof Ai die out and it will be the world coming back to its senses and it’ll be one for the history books.
The future will be like, we gave up artificial intelligence because our planet would get fucked badly.
It’s not meant for this planet and trying to make it work out is a fatal, futile, worthless endeavor.
Bluefruit@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Agreed. The internet is a utility at this point. Its required for many things included services the government runs already.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Site maps on all websites should come back. Beir Abeltto navigate every service the site offers rathe than downloading the app and using fuck all directions from a shitty side bar that lags and then you’re redirected to an Ai assistant that tells you inconvenient hours of when you can actually talk to a real human. All because the navigation is fucked up and everything is relying on automation and laziness.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago searxng also doesn’t really seem to work these days…
Of note, this depends on the instance. I occasionally hop between public instances whenever one is no longer reliable.
As for alternatives, I would avoid DDG since they seem to be going a similar route as Google with a front page filled with ads and the emphasis towards their chatbot is not to my taste. Plus, DDG is hosted in the U.S., so privacy-wise it’s not as good. Startpage was purchased by an American advertising company some time ago, which isn’t great. Brave Search is also one, but they are doing some shady things on their browser with crypto and whatnot, so I don’t particularly trust them. Plus, they are an American for-profit.
Qwant and Ecosia are solid options, the former is a French for-profit and the latter a German non-profit, and they are working towards an independent European search index that is being trialled in France! Both are quite good, Qwant is shinier and magical blue, while Ecosia is simpler and earthy green.
Ecosia also uses a portion of their revenue for planting trees, which is really neat, and they are super transparent about where their earnings go!
I personally use a mix of SearXNG and Ecosia, and I sometimes use Qwant too for certain queries.
axolotl_cpp@feddit.it@feddit.it 1 day ago Ecosia also has an LLM which make little sense with their mission IMO
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ecosia
Chat gpt says the search results are served by Bing and Google. You’re not escaping Google, just the AI.
- sbeak@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
That’s fair enough! Thankfully they do let you disable it, which is nice. I mostly like that they are quite transparent about how they operate! The planting trees thing is a nice bonus, but they certainly aren’t saints to the environment, no search engine is
hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
recently saw this article here, i’m not sure if ecosia is a good solution now. their results seem mostly identical to ddg/bing too though it’s occasionally better than them for some reason
qwant is good, but they geoblock certain countries including mine since 2023 or so. having to use proxy/vpn for just searching really sucks
- sbeak@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
their results seem mostly identical to ddg/bing too though it’s occasionally better than them for some reason
I believe Ecosia uses either Google or Bing search indexes depending on the region, but they are working on an independent index with Qwant that will hopefully be a good alternative! If you live in France, it’s already bring trialled!
But yeah, Ecosia is like any search engine and there is bit of greenwashing with LLMs and all. However, they are a non-profit with transparent earnings reports, and that makes them better than Google, Bing, DDG, etc. for me.
they geoblock certain countries including mine since 2023 or so
Dang, that sucks.
otterpop@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This might be one of those things where self hosting isn’t worth the pain, like email.
I’ve been using Kagi for several years now and have been very happy with it.
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
They are literally giving part of your subscription fee to fucking Russia. In comparison, DuckDuckGo have ended their partnership with Yandex. Vlads refusal to follow suit and his steadfast support of Yandex is quite telling to say the least.
Yet another part of your subscription goes to Elon Musks xAI to support Grok in their AI assistant. Even if you are not using that model, all paying users are effectively subsidizing the cost of the Grok API calls. You can’t opt out of that.
beegnyoshi@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Man, I used kagi for 2 months or so and stopped subscribing after that because while there wasn’t really anything that I’d seen that’d make me outright unsubscribe there were many things that I found odd and it didn’t make sense to pay so much for a product that I didn’t agree with all that much. For instance:
Unable to remove yandex from my search because:
what makes it difficult to act on this is that Kagi does not save searches as a matter of privacy policy, and including more moving parts would make debugging search quality issues nearly impossible
- link here
Despite having so many AI features that barely fit into a search engine, such as a translator (slop frontend) and an entire browser?
It called itself “unprofitable” while giving an honestly insane quota of AI use (ex. if user pays 10$: 10$ - 20% worth of tokens = 8$ total quota), giving 100 free searches with, as far as I could see, very little protection against burner emails (the translator seems to not need an account at all and it’s an llm frontend, so it shouldn’t be cheap), and it had many different views in many different places from me.
But all that made me do was hmmm and shrug it off. I mean, we’re different humans from different backgrounds, of course we’d hold different views.
But holy shit. Hoooooooly shit. That conversation about the GDPR in the article. What the fuck. What in the actual fuck did I just read there. The fact that the CEO emailed him an explanation despite him explicitly asking to not be emailed too. Bruh.
Sims@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
You should look into why so many people isn’t angry at Russia and are now blaming US. Your anger is exactly how US manufactures consent for all their wars, and it keeps you from discovering why people doesn’t hate Russia and even blame US/the west for starting it. They simply create a lynchmob - an echo-chamber - where people won’t listen to counter points bco anger. It works.
ALL US moral attacks on their ‘enemies’ (Ussr/Russia, N.Korea, China, Iran and oc ALL nations that wont be dictated how to live by the US elite) are such manufactured BS, and it all runs on the anger they create in people, and from there, they can do what they want in the name of ‘war against evil’. It will continue as long as people keep believing US and their controlled information bubble.
Give it a try, just read all the headlines in this list: What really happened in Ukraine?
If you couldn’t, or you still refuse the idea of foul play after reading - they got to you…
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Searxng has been pretty sweet, been hosting my own for about a year and some change with pretty good results.
Dultas@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I do get blocked by engines occasionally which can have a drastic impact on results.
KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 1 day ago
hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
kinda works, but their results are a bit crippled compared to google (also, no way to search specific timeframe)
airikr@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I replaced SearxNG with degoog on my server. Feels very much like Google, yet it is not. I did enable Google for search results and image, but it refuses to work (good). Am using DuckDuckGo and Startpage instead, through degoog, of course.
japemasterBrad@programming.dev 1 day ago
I run SearXNG and haven’t looked back honestly, could never get on with Whoogle’s UI
leanleft@lemmy.ml 1 day ago yet another google “proxy” : https://www.lukol.com/
hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
not a proxy, it directly uses google cse on client side so it’s no better than directly using google
- leanleft@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
good point. i did not realize that
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 day ago
just don’t “google it”.
Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ahh, use an LLM instead, got it, thanks!
/s
- irmadlad@lemmy.world 1 day ago
- Yacy
- SearxNG
- Degoog!
Are about the only selfhosted ones I know of. I run SearxNG and have a good deal of success with it. It does bork image searches sometimes and tosses in these lithograph artworks, which are quite interesting to me, but don’t help in the search itself. In as much as it will draw the ire of some, AI makes a pretty good search engine if you are searching for really specific things like:
List all Blues artists that were active in 1942 in Memphis. Give resource links. Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
I like SearXNG,brave search and mojeek. I understand the controversies with Brave but it’s the only good one I can find.
fizzle@quokk.au@quokk.au 1 day ago
Kagi.
Searxng too much effort.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 day ago
KagI is pretty good in various languages.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Kagi is still $10+tax a month. That’s $120 a year (plus tax).
SearXNG is $0 and a few minutes of my time whenever I tweak the configuration.
negativenull@piefed.world 1 day ago I just gave up on searxng too.
superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I didn’t even make it an entire day of searxng, front the literally fist search I tried I was getting blocked haha
mbirth@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve been using startpage.com since I’ve went back to Ubuntu. Came as the stock search engine with Vivaldi and I like how it looks and feels so I use it. I switch off between Google and startpage.
Reygle@lemmy.world 1 day ago I’d been a Vivaldi user for a while too but the latest version killed Ublock Origin, so sad to say the browser is now dead to me.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I never even knew about Ublock until now. That’s fucked they wouldn’t add support for Vivaldi. It’s so versatile!!!
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 day ago
That’s unfortunate, but not surprising. Luckily, the world works without google.
Get SearxNG and you’ll never need another search engine.
hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
bruh i literally mentioned in the post that SearXNG isn’t working properly
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 day ago
Damn I must’ve overread that. But how isn’t it working? I have a private instance and it has been working without problems apart from connecting to brave, which is rate limiting me immediately. And there’s so many sites to choose as potential providers, losing a few to rate limits honestly doesn’t seem like a big deal.
HubertManne@piefed.social 1 day ago
isn’t ddg basically google?
hexagonwin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
ddg gets results from bing, startpage is the one that gets results from google
HubertManne@piefed.social 1 day ago
yeah its hard to keep track who the sugar daddies are with some of these things.
damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They should use Fable to find hacks that work
DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Nice! 😊
Alberat@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
literally whoogle