Microsoft Can't Keep EU Data Safe From US Authorities

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• tonytins@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  More reasons for the EU to build their own data centers.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And demand telemetry removed from all US services and products.
    As it is now it’s illegal to collect on children, but it should simply be completely illegal.

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    • themurphy@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Or even better - stop using US services all together.

      It’s the hardest one to do, but it’s way more effective. They will shit on the rules anyway.

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    • sleen@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      it’s illegal to collect on children

      The only reason this exists is to shut up the majority of people, so it seems that they actually care. They aren’t trying to save the children, they are trying to save their own asses.

      Protecting the children should come in part with protection of everyone.

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• Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No they can’t, they never could, and it’s way way overdue for EU to finally wake up to the reality that all US owned cloud services are factually illegal for any European authority to use, from kindergartens to courts and everything in between.
  It is also illegal for any private company to hold any user/customer/personnel data on servers owned by American companies.

  I’ve been saying this for more than 8 years now! Because this became apparent already under Obama, that the US government can demand, any data in any country held by any American company, to be handed over. Furthermore they can do this in secret under anti terror laws. And the companies affected are not allowed to mention anything to anybody, under regulation of steep penalties.

  This was what Obama claimed was a balanced approach!!!

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s the story of humanity. It’s always alarmist BS until some higher up gets personally burned and it’s suddenly red alert.

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  • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What did you think the point of the “cloud” was?

    It wasn’t to make computing better.

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think the point is to make money.

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• Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  OK, who actually did think that data in Microsofts hands were safe from US meddling?

  Any bit of data sent to an American server has to be considered compromized.

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  • Kissaki@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This is not only about data transmitted to the US, but also about data located in the EU - but still under the Microsoft umbrella, a US company.

    Even if you know or strongly suspect something it is important to confirm and have it on record.

    Also, many people don’t have the technical or judicial expertise. It’s obvious to you because you already know it.

    This admission and the following press coverage was likely a significant revelation and wake-up call for a lot of people.

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  • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Better yet, who thinks any part of Microsoft gives a flying fuck about the concept of safety in any capacity?

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    • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yes, the deceptionmarketing departments.

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    • Kissaki@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Safety is part of the business strategy because it has to be, at least to the degree of public image and in business risk assessment.

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  • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah nobody did. I’ve heard this kind of talk since the Patriot act went into effect but it wasn’t really a problem as long as the US weren’t overtly hostile to our institutions.

    Right now a lot of people are scrambling to alternatives, at least in certain circles. Personally ive been gearing up a “de-americanization” service I plan to go to market in early 2026. It’s gonna be great cause for the first time in my career I can go all in on communicating my opinions to potential customers \o/

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• ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  So what we’re saying is the CLOUD Act made it illegal in many countries to use American software and services that have any form of cloud storage?

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• Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  No gov should allow their data in Microsoft hands simply based on this…

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  • mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Ooops too late

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• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Carniaux did say that the situation had never arisen.

  And I say that dude does not know it.

  When it happens, then he has no way of knowing it, and now they will make sure about him personally that he will never get any way of knowing it.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It can’t keep any countries’ data safe from US authorities, yet most of the world’s authorities are using Microsoft cloud because their IT personnel is a bunch of bought and paid for Microsoft buddies

  Mind you, medical information from people all around the world is stored on private US servers. Good luck if you’re trans, or have a"deviant" sex life!

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  • joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Its not the it personal. Its the c suitem

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• NGC2346@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I hate that MS is so widely used by companies across Canada

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Its worse when healthcare providers are using them. Very easy for politicians to abuse.

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry

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• Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Only option is to not use Americans products and services.

  America cannot be trusted. At the end of the day the current US administration is a mere symptom, not the root cause.

  As another poster mentioned, there is far more similarity between Obama and Trump than most Americans would like to admit.

  No disrespect to sane Americans. It is a disaster for global democracy that America has de facto transitioned to a chauvinistic oligarchy.

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• Korkki@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Ofc they can’t google, meta and Microsoft are the three pillars of US intelligence gathering network.

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• dread@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Realities like this one are forcing entire nations to move to FOSS, more accountable systems, etc., which is a good thing for many of us, but bad for those who are in jurisdictions that they just can’t get enough of Microsoft et al.

  A far journey ahead but at least we’re getting there!

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• OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Isn’t there some kind of sketchy corporate structure they could use to skirt this is they actually cared about data sovereignty?

  “Sorry Feds, this data is actually held by Microsoft EU and not Microsoft”.

  Or do they only do that sketchy shit for dodging taxes and protecting people’s data is a bridge too far?

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  • herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It does not work anymore. It used to work, that is why America passed the cloud act: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Okay so AFAIK this concerns when US companied have foreign subsidiaries. What if foreign companies have US subsidiaries? Can the parent company’s data stored outside the US be required from the US subsidiary?

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• TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Can’t or won’t?

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The won’t is irrelevant because they can’t, the American anti terror law, gives major rights to any American security agency and even ordinary police to demand data. The only hurdle is a court order. And the agencies have their own anti terror courts that ONLY work with the agencies and only get their info from same agencies, because they are supposed to work in secret it can’t be taken outside.
    Faced with such a court order, the company is forced to keep it secret too, and they cannot defend themselves, except to the secret court that works closely with the agencies!

    And it’s the same for Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple and any other American company. Microsoft has just admitted it, which isn’t even necessary since this info was revealed by Edward Snowden just over a decade ago.

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  • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    both

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