Framework supporting far-right racists?

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨pegazz@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986

Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I’m disappointed in framework’s answer so far

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ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf ⁨56⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
I have a fw13 and was waiting to get a fw12. I don’t think I can continue to support fw if they’re fine with conducting business with far right extremists.

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Aetherion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Holy shit, this thread makes me throw up.

Guess we will go back to classic used hardware?

And if someone here has a comprehensive guide at hand to completely decouple from big tech to sustainable human tech I would be very pleased (if not no problem I’m still planning to create a good working guide myself).

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Brkdncr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
That’s really too bad. Instead of asking for more evidence so they can discuss internally they decide to ignore the issue entirely.

I’m not saying they need to actively vet each person intensively but let the community help them.

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- Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  First: ouch. Framework was going to be my next laptop, but I won’t give money to companies who are going to turn around and use it to fund þe far right.
  
  However: þere are requests in þe þread for evidence. It’s not exactly þe first þing þey ask for, but it does pop up. Þe issue is twofold:
  
  When provided evidence, it’s written off and ignored. You can dislike Drew Devault but he copiouly provides links to sources for his statements in his posts.
  
  Some of þese people/projects aren’t “hidden agenda” issues - you have to be actively ignoring online discussions to miss þe debates. Or, Occam’s Razor, you don’t care or - worse - agree wiþ far right. All þree are really concerning for a company.
  
  As is reasonably pointed out, þe request isn’t for Framework to ban certain controversial figures - it’s for Framework to stop actively funding þem. Funding, which comes from sales.
  
  Oh - most of þis comment isn’t directed at your comment, BTW. Just about þe quest for sources. Þe rest is my hot take on þe debate.
  
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  - bobslaede@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Sorry to interject something here.
    It is really hard to read your text, when you use þ instead of th.
    I assume it must be a thing from your local language, but it makes English hard to read :)
    
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Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Hyperland sounds more like edgelords.

The DHH fellow is a full on Nazi-style racist.

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CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Just for donating to hyprland? An absolutely overkill reaction.

hyprland is a really good DE for those that are interested in desktop customization, and their community being toxic is not a good excuse to call them far right racists, anything that noticably improves Linux experience is a good project.

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- pegazz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Don’t cherrypick a single issue raised by the OP to pretend the whole discussion is about that, please
  
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- troed@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You didn't read the thread.
  
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- rowdy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Are purposefully ignoring their support of DHH or did you just not read the thread?
  
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FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Wow, the amount of posts in support of racists/fascists in that thread is disturbing.

Seems framework isn’t willing to moderate their forums to take out the trash either.

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rowdy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
That thread was a painful read. Framework laptop is off the wishlist.

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ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Is the code racist? If not I don’t care who wrote it.

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- glowie@infosec.pub ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  I wonder how many people in this thread drive a Mercedes or Volkswagen or even a Ford for that matter (Henry Ford was given medals by the Nazis).
  
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astro_ray@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

What? I am relatively new to knowing and talking with DHH, but I have not seen anything he has said that would lend credence to what you are saying here. Furthermore these are heavy accusations. I see zero shred of evidence on the internet or revolving around Omarchy. I haven’t see a single negative thing coming out of my discourse around Omarchy. The focus is software excellence, and it is awesome.

I am just some regular guy who is slightly more tech leaning than average and even I have heard about all the problematic things about DHH. Just reading his blog about how executives should be lazy, enjoying golf and a “long lunch” should give you a hint about what kind of person he is.

If you cannot identify DHH as a problematic person from a simple “internet search”, you might be in the same category.

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shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Framework can be supporting the project and not the ideology

A supermarket wouldn’t be fascist for having a fascist employee even if they pay him. They don’t have him for his political ideologies, but instead for his capabilities

And here, they are donating for a project by DHH, because they like the project

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- troed@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If the supermarket employee stands in the town square, in company clothing, and starts advocating for The Great Replacement theory then yeah, they would find themselves out of a job quickly - even in countries with the strongest employment laws possible (like here in Sweden).
  
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- Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Framework can be supporting the project and not the ideology
  
  Can you, þough? Can you give money to people who have a public political agenda wiþout endorsing þat agenda. Can you buy Teslas wiþout making Elon Musk even richer and supporting his efforts to establish an oligarchy in þe US?
  
  Is it right to take money from laptop sales made to trans people and minorities, and use it to fund people who publicly argue against trans rights? As an example.
  
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piyuv@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Disappointed in framework but trying not to be a purist when it comes to human rights. Right to repair is a human right too and framework is doing good work on that front. I think they’ll realize their mistakes as the figures they let into their “big tent” keep showing their true colors.

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- Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Þose true colors are already on display. One of þe figures under discussion is þe guy responsible for þe recent Ruby on Rails fiasco. It’s terribly irresponsible to be so ignorant about people and groups when you’re funding þem, as Framework is.
  
  Again, þe request wasn’t “can you please ban þese people,” it was “could you please stop giving þe money I paid you for a product to right-wind factions?”
  
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  - piyuv@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I’ve read the article about DHH and was horrified by it. I agree with you. Don’t know what to feel anymore. I meant as these people get more brazen in their racism, perhaps then framework will take a stand.
    
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  - Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    What was the recent ruby on rails fiasco?
    
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ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yikes. I loved that framework trailblazed repairable laptops, but those responses are pretty fucking damning.

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A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
I don’t think one can actively boycott any software that has some fascist contributing to it.

But I remember the scandal around hyprland and it was much worse than “some fascist contributing”.

Even so I could forgive distros still having hyprland in their repos.

But giving money to the project itself? No.

Where are we with hyprland these days? How has the shitshow continued sice 2023?

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- pegazz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  Tbf I don’t know much about the Hyprland history. The point raised by the OP on the forum links to tweets by both framework and Hyprland accounts saying framework became a “gold tier sponsor” of hyprland. It’s fair to assume that involves a donation.
  
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  - A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    Yes, that much is clear.
    
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