What happens if a world leader gets assassinated during a foreign visit by a former citizen of that leader's country? (Like: international relations wise)

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

Say, a Russian dissident went a western country, became a citizen, gave up Russian citizenship, then putin visits, this person gets mad, brings a gun and shoots putin.

What will international relations look like? Since the person is not exactly a native of their adopted country. Lets assume trump wasn’t president, what if its a Russian-American? Would the US extradite, or do the trial themselves. Would the headline look like “American Assassinated Putin” or “Russian Dissident Assassinated Putin”. Would it cause more or less tensions, than it it had been a non-russian white person being the assassin?

What about like EU countries? Australia? UK?

Or if the visit was in, say, Japan?

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un_aristocrate@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
You mean what would happen if for example an Austrian archduke where to be assassinated by a Serb activist whilst visiting Bosnia?

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- Tja@programming.dev ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Those are all minor countries, I’m sure it would be fine.
  
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  - DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    As long as it doesn’t come out afterwards that the Crown Prince of Serbia was running the conspiracy with half of his military officers
    
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- MissJinx@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  oh no! here goes Poland
  
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ruuster13@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Read up on Franz Ferdinand if you want to know how it goes.

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- neidu3@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Spoiler: People die in the aftermath
  
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  - prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    People, and an absolute shit ton of horses
    
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  - DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    “Nooo you can’t just assassinate a politician to trigger a world war that’ll leave many people dead”
    
    “Haha, KDR goes brrrr”
    
    💀
    
    (Too dark? sorry but dark humor is my jam)
    
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Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
“American Assassinated Putin” or “Russian Dissident Assassinated Putin”

I think both of these headlines would be printed. Russia would blame US, and US would blame them.

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Clathrate_Gun@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Thoughts and prayers

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CatpainTypo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
It would be a gift to whatever country was hosting the shooter. They could disown them completely. Russia in this case would blame the hosting country for not being good enough security wise and there would be a flaming hot discussion. Possibly some level of conflict and then it would die down.

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- HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Nah I think if an American killed Putin (ex-Russian or not), all hell would probably break loose
  
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  - CatpainTypo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That also is definitely a possibility.
    
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Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Four, “High Ranking” Democrat senators might agree to send an email.

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db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
“Asking for a friend”

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- DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Um… its for a novel… 👀
  
  (Trust me bro 😉)
  
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  - db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Is your pen name SWIM?
    
    (Someone Who Isn’t Me, for those not familiar with that one)
    
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  - FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    “Well, in that case, let me divulge all of our contingency plans, the exact layout and protocols for accessing camp David and everything else you need. For realism. Just don’t make us look like morons, Kay?”- secret service, maybe
    
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  - l_isqof@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Is it called “The Instruction Manual how to Start a World War”, by any chance?
    
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  - LemmyThinkAboutThat@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Somebody may have already made a movie about your novel.
    
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FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Why would they extradite that person? The murder took place in country A and the leader of country B got killed. That’s a problem for the courts in country A.

Some countries have a legal proviso that can activate their court system for crimes that didn’t happen within their jurisdiction. Some Syrian torturers that ended up fleeing Syria too found themselves in courtrooms in the EU. So if the perpetrator was able to kill leader of B in A but then fled the country, if B somehow got ahold of them, they could prosecute their leader’s murder on their own turf. That’s assuming they wouldn’t just send a hit squad.

All the headlines would just say things along the lines of “B-born naturalized citizen of A killed B leader.” I think it’s similar to all the al qaeda or IS terrorists who often held passports of the countries they terrorized.

The relations between these countries would obviously be strained. But how strained would depend on more factors. Where did security break down, who fucked up, and how did everyone react to this assassination? If B was indeed Russia and the shooter was Russian-born, you can bet they will come up with a media narrative how the culprit was long sought for gulag internment for their wild ideas but managed to flee from the glorious motherland. And then duped the hapless people of A to give them citizenship, the stupid, naive fools! If only they had listened to us, who are always right, before! Then this tragedy could have been averted.

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ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Putin is a war criminal with an arrest warrant by the ICC. He ain’t visiting nowhere, apart from shithole countries that aren’t part of ICC.

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- Droechai@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Such as the US? Like the OP used the example?
  
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  - ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yes
    
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DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Case by case basis.

So much would depend on the countries involved, and their current relationships.

Let’s say it’s a former Russian citizen who kills Putin in the USA. The new Russian leader might want to have the killer tried in Russia, or they might want to throw the whole thing to the Americans. Legally, if the murder takes place in the USA, it’s the duty of the individual state to deal with it. But if the US President declares it an act of international terrorism, they could push through sending him home.

That’s not even getting into how the murder was done. Putin would have his own security team, plus Secret Service protection, so how did the killer get past them? Was there a conspiracy?

There’s no single answer possible.

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