The Browser Wasn’t Enough, Google Wants To Control All Your Software

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  of course google wants every developers id the second they get into bed with a fascist federal government

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• Bongles@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m bothered that big companies, especially tech right now, no longer see their customers as people they need to please to stay in business, but instead as something they’ll inconvenience and squeeze as much as they can possibly get away with.

  They all got to where they are making, at one point, amazing products. Now? Fuck making windows useful, we can throw ads and AI at you every place we can think of. Fuck all of the parts of Android that made it stand out, we tell you what to install. You don’t want all of your data scraped and sold? Fuck you, there’s 3 of us and we’re all doing it. In fact we’ll never stop finding new ways to harvest data.

  Phones have basically stagnated entirely in the US. Sure you get moderately better chipsets, but what else? AI? I haven’t had a phone struggle with anything in… maybe 10 years. Instead features that people didn’t use enough just get removed.

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Users are the commodity to be traded. They have what they see as a business model that’s too big to fail. And the users agree!

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  • apftwb@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    First time?

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    • Bongles@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, just cranky about it.

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  • devedeset@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m actively looking for a new phone that has 0 Google in it, and am looking ad de-Googling the rest of my life.

    I remember being genuinely hyped about Gmail in 2008. Now, I don’t want them accessing any of my data.

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    • Bongles@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m taking steps, slowly, as well. I’m getting off windows very soon, I’m working on getting off of various services these companies run one at a time. Depending on what really happens with Android and Google we’ll see.

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• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are we already nostalgic for analog oligarchy?

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  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We burned down the past we can burn down the future too.

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• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Time to back to the analog world and short wave radios.

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  • TomArrr@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lemmy would rock in Morse code

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It would only be days before someone builds logic gates using Morse code somehow, and we recreate the entire thing again lol

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• thespawnkiller@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I feel like this is the new normal cycle of every software company. Once they become a leader, it’s never enough. It replicates the rise of billionaires. Just as the billionaires being rich beyond anything they and all of their succeeding generations could ever spend is not enough, being the industry leader and producing an amazing product that people want is somehow not enough. It always turns to control and power.

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At some point they get large enough that the whims of users cease to affect their decision-making. If Google, Meta, and MS tomorrow rolled out a social credit system that made the Chinese version look generous, 95+% of their users would not change a THING to avoid it. Maybe 98% of their users.

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  • minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can’t wait for AI to become a living corporate trillionaire entity and fuck us all to the end of humanity.

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• humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I came here specifically to ask about alternatives to Android now that google is becoming too abusive in the relationship.

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  • nuk1ngCat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was looking into it a few ago. I found something made in Europe which advertise as more consumer friendly (Fairphone). If I got it right they want to stand out of the crowd by:

    • Selling phones that can be repaired easily;
    • Offer a de-googled OS based on Android.

    The second point could be interesting, considering this Google abusive behavior towards users. Moreover, there is another thing that caught my attention: their devices (the last one is missing, but maybe it’s just too new?) are supported by Ubuntu Touch, which should be just a Linux OS running on phones. That would be my dream, so that I can consider my phone just a computer with all the freedom I can get, such as write down my bash/python/C applications to do what I want to do without having to mess up with all that Android development suite.

    However, if I am not mistaken, in the past I heard some bad reviews about Fairphone, so you should perform your due diligence.

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  • krakenx@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Custom Android ROMs based on AOSP, which is the open source parts of Android. I used to use LineageOS back in the day.

    Before buying a phone, make sure that it has an unlockable bootloader and a custom ROM of a recent Android version.

    Note that many commercial apps like Netflix, Pokémon Go, bank apps, etc. will refuse to run if your bootloader is unlocked. It also permanently trips Samsung’s Knox.

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    • girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unfortunately, this seems to be something that might be changing in the future. Google isn’t going to be open source with android development anymore.

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  • Alaik@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not android or apple. I’ll go to a prepaid flip phone before I give apple a cent. They’re essentially the paragon of greed.

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  • Yeahboy92@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    GrapheneOS works well. But only on pixel devices.

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    • humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s unfortunately a dealbreaker for me. I have a free phone from some company I’ve never heard of and I don’t plan on buying a new one. Hopefully we will see more progress on mobile operating systems in the coming years.

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    • Dumhuvud@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ironic that you need a Google smartphone, isn’t it?

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• thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fuck them. I have a guitar a pocket watch and a wind uo radio. Everything have is a nicety.

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I kinda want a 2.5" round screen fit into a pocketwatch case. Give it an nrf52, lora, bt, wifi.

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• TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As shitty as M$ is, it would have been nice to see Windows phone become moderately successful and be a third primary mobile os.

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  • fading_person@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d prefer that firefox os had caught on and turned into a big player today

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  • m3t00@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    with chrome, ope, edge

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  • humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I disagree. That would’ve just been more garbage like with the xbox.

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    • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m playing gears on PS5 as we speak. Ha ha. What a shipwreck XBOX has become.

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  • blargh513@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I would have rather seen the development of BBOS10. It was so far ahead of its time.

    That whole thing we do with swipe gestures to navigate the android interface? Yeah BBOS had that years ago.

    I miss my Passport.

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    • AlwaysNurture@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I still have my BlackBerry Passport.

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  • festus@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I didn’t hate my Windows Phone when I had one.

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    • sudoer777@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I did, it fucking sucked

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  • Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Meh, that’s not real competition… the big one just collude with each other

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s would just be Windows 11 S ~Mobile~ ~Edition~, but you do not get the option to upgrade to Windows 11 Home ~Mobile~ ~Edition~ as you would on a PC

    Or maybe you do get an option, but its a subscription for $50 per quarter. 🫠

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    • NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And 16GB storage (because everything is being saved to OneDrive anyway).

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• mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  okay well goodbye Google, then

  what’s the alternative here?

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  • y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah that’s the issue, when it comes to mobile, anyway

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  • luipaard0011@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    !remindme 2 years

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    • fort_burp@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Does !remindme work on Lemmy?

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• suodrazah@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The year of the Linux mobile is coming.

  furilabs.com/shop/flx1/

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  • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As long as companies can keep pumping shitty, almost entirely closed off android phones that cost less than 200 dollars for consumers (selling hardware at a loss while making up for data harvesting and sale), “linux mobile” will be just another meme along with “year of the linux desktop”

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  • Victoriathecompact@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    is this legit?

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  • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I want to believe, I really do. But I fear that the crypto apps people have grown dependent on will make it harder than the desktop battle. And IDK but I seem to recall every year since at least 2001 being proclaimed to be the year of the Linux desktop.

    I rely on my banking apps (plural), governmental email app, government authentificator app and the governmental LMS app for public schools to make my everyday function.

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    • seralth@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A phone that can’t do NFC payment, banking and authenticator work is not a phone. It’s a pile of shit that’s little more than a toy for children.

      Nothing wrong with toys, but they arnt useable products worth any amount of real money.

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  • jukmehrk@lemmy.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s nice, and good to see more of a push. However, I think kill switches for at least microphone and camera should be the new default. It’s absolutely ridiculous to walk around with an internet connected mic and a camera that looks at your face whenever you look at your phone. Personally, I’ll never carry a phone around anymore that doesn’t have mics and cameras desoldered or there’s a kill switch. For the back camera a cover with a slide is fine, but doesn’t really work with the front part.

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    • Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I just put stickers on the selfie camera.

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    • spicehoarder@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would carry around a flip phone if my work didn’t require Passkeys generated exclusively from MS Authenticator.

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  • spicehoarder@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    IS THAT A FUCKING HEADPHONE JACK!?

    Let’s go 🔥🔥🔥

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    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Standards are low huh?

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  • pool_spray_098@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sign me the fuck up!

    The specs look quite decent, and it even has an SD card slot. I really would love to get away from android.

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  • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Neat! And a removable battery.

    Debian too! Always liked me some Debian, super stable.

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• SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not giving up my off the market pixel dungeon mods.

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  • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Shattered pixel dungeon? Or is there another version?

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    • SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Several others that have been taken out of the store completely or that never got in, like unbreakable pixel dungeon is the old regular pixel dungeon without item degradation.

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• bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  now it’s just a race for the giant conglomerates to make the worst decisions for consumers

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  • humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep. There’s no such thing as competition any more.

    Tech companies are just gas stations across the street from each other.

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    • bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      and you don’t have a choice atp its just forced enshittifcation down your throat!!

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Your computer no longer “computes”, its just a barebones terminal to access a “virtual pc” in the cloud.

    Good news, you don’t need to pay $1000 for a good laptop, all you need is this $50 windows machine that only runs a client that steams a live feed from MS Headquarters

    Bad news, its a subscription, stop paying and you lose all files.

    Wait a minute did you type a “Eat The Rich” document, sorry can’t have that, violates ToS, deleted.

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    • bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fahrenheit 451 x 1984

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• squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is this only google phones or all of android?

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• 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The EU’s been breathing down Apple’s neck for them trying to do similar shit, so i find the timing kinda weird.
  Plus they’d need to force-update their spyware first, i wonder how many versions of android they’re willing to go back.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  google is pissed people were deleting that spying app on android phones, plus thier constant attack on adblocking on youtube wasnt working to well. since samsung and iphones pretty much walled in thier os, why not google.

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• flemtone@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Already using GrapheneOs on my phone, so fuck Google.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  that spy app they were using a few months ago was just the first test.

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• ronigami@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can someone just do the needful?

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• FreddyNO@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fuck google

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• chunes@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah well luckily for them, people don’t seem to know how to write anything but webapps anymore anyway.

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• kerm@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Librem profits +++$$$ It may be the end for u if u use a mobile for games… If not - Just buy some open-source phone like Librem or PinePhone, they also have Linux available:)

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• Deflated0ne@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And they can suckle upon my peener.

  I’ll go to Graphine or something else before I let the company for whom “don’t be evil” was too bold a statement dictate my fuckin’ choices.

  I already ditched Windows. Can’t be that hard to cut Google out too.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  chrome is at thier limits, since people can just use a different browser/

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  just dont update your phone problem solved

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• KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah of the Linux phone, I guess.

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• Mika@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When reading cyberpunk lore, quickhacks didn’t make any sense to me. Some programs that break cyberware because of backdoors, but why would people install cyberware with backdoors?

  Now I look at the sad state of mobile market and, yeah ok, that makes sense.

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• Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Don’t use it. Be smart.

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• GriffinClaw@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but I literally have no idea in which community this question goes.

  I just got Samsung Galaxy A16, and then I learn just how controlling Google/Android is becoming. Research says I SHOULD be able to deGoogle and flash a linux OS

  My question is, what linux OS should I go for? and does it have any issues I need to look out for?

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• heavyboots@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I mean… it’s hilarious that people still use Chrome when it has been a known back actor for years and years.

  Likewise, if you set an iPhone to use Advanced Data Protection, it’s probably quite a bit more secure from intrusion than a similar Android phone. (And definitely more secure from subpoena.)

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