Submitted 13 hours ago by Lofi_Haze@lemmy.zip to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
I really didn’t think it was possible, but as a long time lurker who just created an account I have to ask…why is the Fediverse even more Draconian with bans and moderation than Reddit?
Even slightly right of center will get you banned and ostracized. Why is it so hard to find a non left leaning place on the Internet? ANY challenge to prevailing orthodoxy to the dogmatic views of leftist will have you cast to the Hinterlands.
Why is it like this?
So OP, are you still beating your wife?
I’m right-of-center. I’ve never been banned or even faced mod action on lemmy, even on hexbear, beehaw, and .ml. Maybe that’s because I avoid political discussion communities. Or maybe it’s because I’m not a combative asshole.
Both your examples are ridiculous strawmen, by the way.
Hi. I thought I was alone!
Do you not understand the fediverse is decentralized? Your question makes no sense.
And even if it did, we cannot answer because we don’t know what really happened, we haven’t seen your comments or posts.
So if you can show us, do.
Also, your mod log shows exactly one ban from one community. Is that what got your knickers in a twist?
Even posting a Fox News article in the News areas will get your post removed
Now that is just funny. Let me parse it down: Fox is not “News”, it’s entertainment. And since that distinction is lost on 99% of its audience, it’s also disinformation.
…with a ban of course.
Where? It’s not in your mod log.
Oh yeah, your account is just 7h old at this point.
Personally I’d love for you to stay and learn to become a better person. But that’s just naive.
Even slightly right of center will get you banned and ostracized
Sligthly right of center views are more saying that private sector may play a role in healthcare, or that private school are OK. Thinking that children shall not get healthcare or suporting war-crime isn’t slighthly off centered
That you call trans folk’s situation “anti-biology” shows more of your hand than you seem willing to admit.
I'm not here to suffer fools.
And bans come cheap because they're on an instance level. Go out and find yourself a place where you belong. If it turns out the people you'd like to talk to don't like you back, maybe recalibrate.
OP seems like he’d be happier at truth social tbh
> transitioning children via pharmaceuticals is that great
Good thing it doesn't happen then hey?
But still, people want to "just talk about it" as if it does.
And you know, when you're the target of endless bullshit and lies spread about you, so much so that people who don't know any better parrot and perpetuate the bullshit, whilst crying out how hard done by they are when people push back against them... You know, when that happens enough, you kinda get sick of it...
You say: "...prevailing orthodoxy to the dogmatic views of leftism..."
Most on Fediverse say: Just respect difference and don't tolerate intolerance.
By the way, it's OK to swear. Some examples might be: "You seem to be making a ham-fisted attempt to troll people. Stop being a cunt."
Swearing is fine. Misogynistic slurs are not.
I'm assuming you're American? If so you should be aware that word doesn't carry he same baggage elsewhere in the world.
Imagine you and your friends are sitting around discussing chess, and somebody comes over and says:
“Chess is fucking stupid, why aren’t you playing tic tac toe? Why does this one look like a horse? They should make all the pieces move the same so I can remember how to play! Why is the queen the best piece? That seems sexist. The best strategy is to get both your bishops on the black squares. I LOVE it when corporate forces censor legal free speech!”
How does one even bring someone that ignorant of the topic into the conversation? Sure. There’s always the possibility of taking the time to slowly explain the rules of chess and address those questions and statements, but 80% of the time, the only response to that will be “Nuh uh. That’s stupid. The horsey should start in the corners”.
No. It’s just much easier to shoo them away and hope they find a sandbox to play in.
Even posting a Fox News article in the News areas will get your post removed
Fox News is not acknowledged as a news channel outside USA. In fact it would be illegal to call it a news channel in mostly any other “western” country. You might as well post stories from the Onion and call it news.
Maybe you belong on reddit? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
"I left this gigantic capitalist American monolith and the alternative I found was full of leftists! "
Well, duh.
Obligatory fuck tankies.
I agree with the sentiment but despite the vast amount of pushback and downvotes I get for voicing certain views it’s extremely rare for me to have my comments removed let alone be banned. Some individual communities might be worse than others and .ml communities you should avoid like the plague anyway but broadly speaking I’d still claim that it’s pretty difficult to get mods to take action against you as long as you’re being polite.
Oh yeah, it seems like half the posts I made on reddit in the end were shadow banned, and I'm not even sure what I did wrong. At least here when your shit is deleted you know about it.
There seems to be a misunderstanding. There is no central moderation here, merely what individual people will put up with, and what they won’t. If, for example, one community decides they won’t tolerate strawmanning and sealioning, they can show anyone who does those things the door. But, unlike Twitter, you cannot be entirely banned off the platform, because there’s always the option to spin up your own instance and federate with other instances willing to do so.
I have never been banned on the fediverse. Maybe I just share my views in a way that doesn’t offend others or break the community rules?
Yep I’ve said politically unpopular things and never even got warned
Why is Fediverse moderation, even more Draconian than Reddit?
No central oversight. Reddit can theoretically remove the worst of the worst, but the same doesn't apply on the fediverse. Not across instances at least. Theoretically that lack of control is why we have defederation, but no one is going to defederate over some mods being extra draconian.
As for why it's even at a similar level to Reddit in the first place, it's because despite the fediverse's superiority complex, moderation on Reddit is organic, and so it is here. It's not like Reddit tells them to be the way they are, moderators choose to be that way. And there's no reason why they would choose to be different on the fediverse.
I think it's worth remembering that people who seek the power of authority aren't usually the best people. I'm not saying this applies to all moderators, but those that become moderators for the power it gives them aren't going to be friends, no matter which platform they're on. It's not like the platform makes them bad, it just enables them by giving them the power.
Why is it so hard to find a non left leaning place on the Internet?
There ARE right wing Lemmy instances. They're just usually defederated by the ones leaning left. There's also /r/conservative on Reddit.
"You know I kind of feel Israel has a right to defend itself ya know?"
This one is definitely a big problem imo. Like, I'm not in the pro-Israel camp, but I think it's clear this side of the fediverse is currently an echo chamber that isn't welcoming to opposing voices, especially on that topic. But also in regards to others like AI.
Reddit is a lot better in that regard. I think there is a point to fighting disinformation and bad faith actors, but that's not reasoning if you then allow one side's disinformation (like the whole "AI is completely useless" narrative which is just factually false, it's being abused for tasks it's wildly unsuited for, but that doesn't make it useless for what it's designed to do) or tolerate complete faith into your side's propaganda.
Imo this is a big barrier to the fediverse currently. I can't in good faith recommend the fediverse to people whom I know to be right-leaning, because I know they're going to have a bad time here.
Even posting a Fox News article in the News areas will get your post removed.....with a ban of course.
I do think a ban is excessive unless you're a repeat offender, but... it makes sense to ban articles from a self-proclaimed entertainment source which only idiots would take as news (Fox News's official position as argued in court, not my opinion) from a News community.
Premise rejected.
More and more often this is what it comes down to, for me too.
Any decentralized place like this one is, ideally and intentionally, just a network of many small clubhouses. There might be overarching themes and attitudes, but each clubhouse has their own agenda and makes and enforces their own rules.
I wouldn’t expect most any clubhouse to throw you out if you argued any point with dligence, compassion and respect.
I wouldn’t expect most any clubhouse to throw you out if you argued any point diligently and respectfully.
I bet OP didn’t.
I bet OP didn’t.
I really don’t think there’s much point in speculating what other folks think. They’ll tell or they won’t - all I can do is offer my input. As I said, it’s already hard enough to fully make yourself understood even when you want to.
In order to create a tolerant space for people of all walks of life we must not tolerate intolerance. Lemmy was made by communists and is ultimately a leftist space. If you are getting banned from instances or communities it means you are not welcome there. You are free to leave, we won’t miss you
Perhaps you were mostly in the right kind of communities on Reddit.
Also I dunno what you’re talking about, I gave up on Reddit after being banned for like 10th time, the reasons all being “calls to violence” (that’d be about civil rights, democracy and such) or “ethnic hate” (that’d be about NATO allies not having a carte blanche to do whatever they want, specifically Turkey and Azerbaijan).
I’m less reserved on Lemmy, and my views are around anarcho-capitalist (I’ll admit some Trotskyist and anarcho-syndicalist things appeal to me, so sort of left from the average).
What kind of stupid s*** is this? Is the Fediverse just a safe space for leftists because of what happened to Twitter?
It’s a hierarchical system. Want something better - design and implement a p2p social media with democratic leadership of communities.
Did you get banned from tankie communities? Because that’s ridiculously easy. Those people are fucking crazy.
Don’t fret it. View it as social Darwinism: whichever communities banned you for posting what you thought were reasonable comments, you probably don’t want to partake in anyway.
Which is sad when I want to upvote content but get text im banned arbitrarily so i just move on.
The solution is: when you get banned for no good reason, block the community - or the entire instance in extreme cases of craziness like Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Then it disappears from your Lemmy experience entirely and you never need be frustrated ever again.
Yeah, lemmy is a pretty extreme bubble. Hopefully things improve as it gets bigger, but it will be a while.
For now you’ll just have to avoid any “controversial” takes on topics lemmy is obsessed with … or use throw away accounts.
Is the Fediverse just a safe space for leftists
It is a safe space for former redit mods…
It’s nice to feel seen.
What makes people set up instances? There’s no money involved. Even selling your instance data to AI companies are difficult as they could easily just set up their own and federate.
My guess would be that ideology would be one reason to set one up.
Theres also less competition, so there’s less repercussions for bans / dysfunctional mod behaviour.
Given the opportunity, humans tend to want echo chambers rather than real discussions.
Note: These are some of my thoughts on this, and none are based on facts.
I got banned for saying the word retard. And that’s just retarded
The worlds smallest violin keeps getting smaller.
Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
The concepts you’re sharing aren’t slightly right of center, and frankly you’re right for getting banned for saying those things. It’s very odd to roll up to a social space that is maintained very heavily by left-wing people, and be surprised when we don’t let your right-wing “politics” targeting us fly. You shouldn’t be surprised when you use a right-wing dog whistle “Israel has a right to defend itself” when Israel is currently committing genocide, and you end up banned. Listen to yourself.