Comment on Tesla In 'Self-Drive Mode' Hit By Train After Turning Onto Train Tracks

• sylver_dragon@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That actually sounds like a reasonable response. Driving assist means that a human is supposed to be attentive to take control. If the system detects a situation where it’s unable to make a good decision, dumping that decision on the human in control seems like the closest they have to a “fail safe” option. Of course, there should probably also be an understanding that people are stupid and will almost certainly have stopped paying attention a long time ago. So, maybe a “human take the wheel” followed by a “slam the brakes” if no input is detected in 2-3 seconds. While an emergency stop isn’t always the right choice, it probably beats leaving a several ton metal object hurtling along uncontrolled in nearly every circumstance.

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That actually sounds like a reasonable response.

    If you give the driver enough time to respond, which tesla doesn’t. They turn it off a second before impact and then claim it wasn’t it self-driving mode.

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    • whotookkarl@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not even a second, it’s sometimes less than 250-300ms. If I wasn’t already anticipating it to fail and disengage as it went though the 2-lane wide turn I would have gone straight into oncoming traffic

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  • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah but I googled it after making that comment, and it was sometimes less than one second before impact: futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report

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  • nthavoc@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So, maybe a “human take the wheel” followed by a “slam the brakes” if no input is detected in 2-3 seconds.

    I have seen reports where Tesla logic appears as “Human take the wheel since the airbag is about to deploy in the next 2 micro seconds after solely relying on camera object detection and this is totally YOUR fault, kthxbai!” If there was an option to allow the bot to physically bail out of the car as it rolls you onto the tracks while you’re still sitting in the passenger seat, that’s how I would envision how this auto pilot safety function works.

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  • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t know if that is still the cae, but many electronic stuff in th is had warnings, with pictures like “don’t put it I the bath”, and the like .

    People are dumb, and you should take that into account.

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• sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That sounds a lot more like a roomer to me… it would be extremely suspicious and would leave them open to GIGANTIC liability issues.

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  • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In the report, the NHTSA spotlights 16 separate crashes, each involving a Tesla vehicle plowing into stopped first responders and highway maintenance vehicles. In the crashes, it claims, records show that the self-driving feature had “aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact”

    futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report

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  • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s been well documented. It lets them say in their statistics that the owner was in control of the car during the crash

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    • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s my whole point

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How so? The human in the care is always ultimately responsible when using level 3 driver assists. Tesla does not have level 4/5 self-driving and therefore doesn’t have to assume any liability.

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    • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you are monkeying with the car right before it crashes… wouldn’t that raise suspicion?

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    • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This right here is another fault in regulation that eventually will catch up because Especially with level three where it’s primarily the vehicle driving and the driver just gives periodic input It’s not the driver that’s in control most of the time. It’s the vehicle so therefore It should not be the driver at fault

      Honestly, I think everything up to level two should be drivers at fault because those levels require a constant driver’s input. However, level three conditional driving and hire should be considered liability of the company unless the company can prove that the autonomous control, handed control back to the driver in a human-capable manner (i.e Not within the last second like Tesla currently does)

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