I’m likely going to because windows update is embarrassingly bad if you have 32gb as your goddamn boot drive.
The end of Windows 10 is approaching, so it's time to consider Linux and LibreOffice
Submitted 9 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2025/06/11/the-end-of-windows-10/
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buzz86us@lemmy.world 9 months ago
SHR@lemmy.today 9 months ago
Bruh…I’m still running windows 7 in one of my VMs hosted by Debian 😏😏😏
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
OnlyOffice is way better than LibreOffice.
HalifaxJones@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Im seeing these posts twice a day at this point. So someone like myself who is totally ignorant on Linux, I have some questions if anyone can lend advice?
I’ve been on PC windows for over twenty years now. And I use it mostly for video software like davinci resolve. Adobe software workflow. Unreal engine. I use clients harddrives and often times my own for working off of. And often times will send those harddrives to other people and their computers to finish the work. I also occasional play games on steam and Xbox App.
With that said, is it even possible for me to switch over to Linux and keep using all the same software and workflow I have for high end video production workflow?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It doesn’t have to be one or the other. You can do most of your work in linux and boot windows as a ‘secondary’ OS for stuff like adobe? I do this, and share NTFS SSDs/hard drives between them.
EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
- Davinci? Yup
- Adobe? Not even remotely.
- Unreal…yes? I’m pretty sure th development tools still run on Linux at least.
- Crossplatform work? As long as it’s in the same format from the same application, you should be fine. Just format the drive in something Windows can understand.
- Steam? Works flawlessly as do most games now. You will need to change some settings, but only because Steam will by default only show games that are verified by valve to work (most games do though). Your biggest hurdle will be the developers that specifically block Linux.
- Non-Steam games? You’ll need to do some work, but you can get them running just as well as steam games
- Xbox App/Xbox GamePass? Nope.
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
While I’m pretty sure you’re correct on majority of cases, there’s still some stuff, like non-steam games, which just won’t work no matter what you do. So, on paper these things work but your mileage may vary.
IEatDaGoat@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Davinci, yes but it can be frustrating to set up.
Unreal, I’m pretty sure yes. I don’t see why not.
Adobe, No.
HalifaxJones@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Haha ya I assumed those things. I have a Mac that I use as well. But typically prefer a PC when worki by from home :/
damnedfurry@lemmy.world 9 months ago
No thanks, I value my time.
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ironic
CommanderShepard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
OK, really good article and I like Libreoffice (although I prefer Only office). I browse on it, game, watch videos, do pretty much everything. I am also a technical person, who can create a VM in 10 mins, add a required boot parameter, etc.
Now. I want to send this article to my colleague/friend who’s not technical at all. In the blog post I read
Start by testing Linux and LibreOffice on a second partition of your PC (for individuals)
“Second partition” literally means nothing to most people. I know: just learn, just read. But most people will not bother, or they will simply not understand the tutorials. That’s the unfortunate reality.
I think Linux and Libreoffice can become mainstream if a regular Joe/Jane can buy a laptop from Walmart with a distro and office apps pre-installed and use them like Microsoft Office. Before that time all this Linux and FLOSS stuff is limited to technical, or at least curious people willing to put some effort.
P.S. My relatives are on Linux and Onlyoffice, because I installed it for them. And it’s so much easier and more rare for me to manage and troubleshoot than Windows. But I cannot see them installing it be themselves.
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 9 months ago
Yeah I’ve been considering switching to Linux but I’m not a tech person. I know enough to play some games and install some Minecraft mods and that’s it. Since I was thinking about getting a new lightweight laptop I was gonna get one with Linux instead of windows to give it a try but every time I found one that said Linux I’d look at the specs and it says the operating system is actually windows. I’d be willing to learn how to get Linux myself but I’m worried about ruining my computer because I don’t understand even half of the technical stuff. If anyone has any up to date very beginner friendly guides, I’d appreciate the recommendation
CommanderShepard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you are willing to learn, then you can check Linux laptops from Framework, Tuxedo and Entroware. Linux preinstalled, and hardware is compatible.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The big thing to consider is what software do you really NEED, what can change, and what can you do without. Then the change is easier.
Then there’s the learning curve of new software. Wheee
Zenith@lemm.ee 9 months ago
For a lot of people that say of thinking doesn’t work, they explicitly don’t want to/wont go without, people enjoy luxury and convenience and aren’t going to skate by on only things they strictly need
Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 months ago
I got a cheap mini pc. It had W11 on it which I promptly broke (I think it was when it insisted on me putting in a PIN but I closed the window). It also ran at 100% for no reason trying to do updates, but then refused to do any updates.
So I put the latest Ubuntu Linux on it. Seems OK, but I can’t get anything to recognise the video codex stuff in the N150 CPU. It seems to know it’s there, but Firefox and MPV won’t use it…
eugenia@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
You need to install the codecs, there’s a way to do it on ubuntu, just google search it (and there’s an option during installation to do it too). The N150 cpu and its integrated gpu is not a problem for your codec problem, it’s a matter of installing the right software.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Yeah, I thought I’d ticked something similar during setup, but maybe it wasn’t for that. I installed them and it hasn’t really changed anything in either mpv or Firefox.
The compositing in Firefox is webrender (software) and appears to be using llvmpipe as the GPU. There’s a 2nd “GPU” listed, but doesn’t seem to use it All the codecs say hardware is disabled…
Installed VLC and that seems to use the hardware renderer. MPV and Firefox are both installed with Snap. I’m seeing a pattern that might not be there, but I’m already hating Snap. This is day two of my rebooted Linux experience…
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I know when you install Mint there is a ‘install codecs’ checkbox during the installer, not sure if the same exists for Ubuntu.
For Ubuntu, you could try this and see if it solves your problem.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Yeah, tried all that, and not having much luck in Firefox and MPV. VLC fine. Replied to the other post, and it might be Snap blocking it. I dunno though, because I know basically fuck all about snap other than a lot of Linux people don’t like it.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I mean, if whole EU countries can do it, so can you.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
What?! I’m still working on my spreadsheet comparing 7 and 8!
PinkiePieYay2707@pawb.social 9 months ago
I might be a little behind on Windows releases, because this is the first time I’ve heard of a version 40320
StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 9 months ago
No, no its not. I get it lemmy has a hard on for Linux and libreoffice. But unfortunately its just not gonna happen windows is king. If you like or not its the main dog on the market and enterprises are not going to switch.
hark@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think at this point Android is the king of operating systems in terms of what the majority of consumer devices run. Perhaps the path forward is people plugging their phone into a dock and being presented with a more productive interface.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I’d actually argue enterprise is more likely for people to switch, there’s a lot of Linux sysadmins out there, and there’s a lot of Linux in enterprise environments, and of course especially servers.
Unless you have specific requirements for specific software that runs only on Windows, getting away from Microsoft can be a pretty tempting prospect.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I haven’t used Windows at work in years for anything, not for cloud hosting, not for on-prem, not for employee machines etc etc. until the cost-cutters came in and forced Teams and other Microsoft crap to squeeze the market during inflation. The company is just waiting to be killed off now.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Microsoft already lost enterprise servers to Linux, and has lost significant ground over the years in consumer PCs to ChromeOS and Linux. While I agree that business laptops will continue to be dominated by Windows for awhile, the market shifts we see everywhere have downstream effects on business laptops too. When you find yourself having to train more and more people on how to use Windows than you did in the past, the value argument for Windows quickly comes into question.
FreddyNO@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What the hell are you on about. This is not a “everyone or no one” thing. You can consider it. I have, I switched. I still use mac at work but I absolutely can switch at the homefront. Some companies use Linux, most use Windows. And they absolutely can consider switching.
StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Another bootlicker. Bro please take a shower no one gives a fuck. Let me know when Linux takes over in 10000 years.
Bunbury@feddit.nl 9 months ago
With a couple of governments making the switch I honestly think that things are changing to some degree. Will windows die and be forgotten by everyone overnight? Of course not. But I think there’s a real chance their piece of the pie will start to shrink noticeably. Chrome OS is dominating in schools for a few years now and Microsoft is seemingly trying hard to alienate the current windows users.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s not all quite as rosy.
Yes, Linux is much more capable now than it was 10 years ago and it’s much more capable of being used as a main system. I myself have been using Linux as my main system for a few years now.
But it’s also a fact that a lot of stuff might not work (even if it works for someone else) and that some things are still more difficult than they should be.
For example, on my laptop cannot wake from sleep since kernel 6.11. I have manually sourced a 6.10 from an older version of my distro and keep holding it back, so that I can use my laptop as a laptop. For someone without technical skill, this would mean that their laptop just can’t sleep any more. Hibernate also doesn’t work.
Another example is that LibreOffice still makes a lot of formatting mistakes when it has to open word documents. And sure, everyone could just switch to odf, but it’s not quite as easy to make everyone else switch to odf. It makes it really hard to use LibreOffice in any kind of professional environment. Wouldn’t want to make a powerpoint presentation that then looks like shit when it’s played on a different PC.
Lastly, Nvidia sucks, but it’s also close to the only option for laptops with dGPUs. When I look for laptops with dGPUs available in my area on a price comparison platform, I find 760 laptops with Nvidia GPUs and only 3 with AMD, all of which are priced at least €500 more than comparable Nvidia devices. So if you want to go for a gaming laptop, Nvidia is pretty much the only option, and under Linux it really sucks. Steam games generally work ok for me, but trying to use Heroic Launcher to play anything from my gigantic library of free Epic/Amazon/GoG games, about 10% of the games I tried actually work. And even with those that work, my laptop sometimes just decides that a slide show with 3 FPS is good enough. That stays even after reboots and resets, and after a few days it returns to normal. Only to go back to slideshow mode a few days later.
If you just use your laptop to run a browser, I can recommend Linux 100%.
If you want to do anything else and don’t have any technical skills and/or don’t want to spend hours fixing things that should just work, I can’t fully recommend it.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I read posts just like yours ten years ago.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I guess you aren’t wrong. There are a lot of advances but stability and small but really annoying bugs remain a huge pain point.
BingoBongoBang@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I am a developer and Linux is my native environment in production systems. I wanted to use Linux on my laptop but sleeping / waking up never worked well enough. It could not switch from integrated video card to a discrete one ending up always using the discrete one which drained the battery in 30 minutes. All in all, it was usable but the details didn’t work so I gave up. That was years ago and eversince no customer really allows Linux…
Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Sleep/hibernate has been a pretty big problem for a while. As for the gpu, have you checked out NixOS? There’s ways to enforce your integrated card to handle everything and change states for certain apps to the discreet card.
It takes a bit to learn, but nixlang is pretty simple. I’ve heard it referred to as “JSON with functions”. It also has the largest package repository of any OS and is atomic, so its hard as hell to break. You can also make separate, containerized dev environments with flakes.
MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I’ve been a full time dev since 2012 and needed a Mac, I had barely used windows over that time but beforehand ran a PC service business.
Anyway, Ive been using Linux as a daily driver for the past 6 months for reasons.
… The other day I got a new cheap laptop I needed to setup for run a single application.
Holy fuck what a shitshow.
It took me 2 hours just to get to the desktop. Shit didn’t work, bullshit login screens, ads everywhere.
It was a massive pile of dog shit.
After battling to get the system setup for the rest of the day I gave up, chucked Fedora Kinoite On it… Took 30 minutes from creating boot media to getting a desktop going, chucked the app I needed to run in a Flatpack, chucked it on a USB, and it was up and running.
No bullshit.
Just works.
Truly the year of the Linux desktop.
ripcord@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m guessing the cheap laptop was running Windows? You didn’t mention, it sounds at first like you’re saying you were using Linux on it.
What ads were everywhere? Why did it “take 2 hours to get to the desktop” - you mean, that’s how long it took to install or something?
MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Sorry answered it elsewhere, yep windows 11.
The forced update took forever and failed and then it also fucked out with the Microsoft account. It was legit 2 hours from boot to seeing a desktop. I wanted to skip the updates and the Microsoft account.
The start menu is full of ads for software I don’t want. If I buy software off you, stop trying to upsell me.
StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 9 months ago
People here so full of shit. I just reimaged my lenovo t570 with windows 11 took less then 10mins to install. Another 5 to remove all the bs built in software like solitaire Cortana etc and then another 10-15 to apply all windows updates. Bam done.
r_deckard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
LOL no. There are many good reasons choose Linux on the desktop/laptop, but the so-called Win10 apocalypse isn’t in the top 10.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Two of my friends switched recently precisely because Win 10 was going end of life. The ‘I have to change the OS anyway’ was the final motivator.
tarknassus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Whilst that’s true, it’s a good opportunity to push Linux as a potential alternative in a few different ways - reduction of e-waste, free and private oriented alternative, simple (in some situations/distro) for certain basic users, or even someone who wants to get a little more technical. It’s good to promote the idea that there is more to computers than a monolithic monopoly called Microsoft.
hzl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Also 0patch, which will continue to provide security patches for Windows 10 indefinitely.
vrojak@feddit.org 9 months ago
GF recently wanted to buy Ms office because she had a nice looking CV template for it that would not work well in LibreOffice. So I spent some hours making a good one without Ms crap, just so they would not get anymore money.
User0123@lemmus.org 9 months ago
Pretty sure the template would work fine with OnlyOffice.
jmf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I just rebuilt mine and can confirm that most of those resume template builders utilize a lot of word doc “hacks” to format everything, and loading and LibreOffice breaks it.
atlien51@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Somehow, windows 11 is even MORE spyware than 10!
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Now with AI! So Windows can use your processing power to record and analyze every use of your computer, and report back useful findings to MS. What data is sent back? Who knows? You certainly won’t be told what ‘core telemetry’ is required at any point in time.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Can’t wait for the “The end of Windows 11 is approaching…” article in a few years. Keep me posted.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Windows 12, with AI even moreso integrated.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Nah, there’ll be a new boogeyman by then.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
The end of windows 10 support is approaching. Windows 10 will go on for a while yet.
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 9 months ago
Yeah but my W10 shoved a giant full screen ad telling me to get rid of my PC and get a new one with W11 twice. Support might be ending but if it constantly nags you to upgrade, that’s just BS.
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 9 months ago
Call me when Libre doesn’t suck/feel like it’s stuck in 2003.
I won’t hold my breath.
ColdWater@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Look like you already stuck in 2003
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Baby duck syndrome.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 months ago
Call me when Windows doesn’t suck and it’s not getting worse year by year. I will laugh every time they add more ads and more tracking.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you don’t like it, try OnlyOffice.
slumberlust@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you find yourself not wanting to switch, there are third party options for patching. I’m going to try zero patch, but I have no experience with them to date.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
wishful thinking. i mean i get where the sentiment is coming from, but normal users are going to have a lot of problems if they make that switch. especially if they need particular types of software.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Lulzagna@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The only time I use Windows is for Fusion 360
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
I wish I could make parts in FreeCAD anywhere close to as good as I can in Fusion 360… I REALLY miss it since the move to Linux. I’m not anywhere near as excited about my 3D printer anymore since designing parts is a slog and the end result I am generally un-proud of. :( I feel like my only option (which sucks) is buy a second GPU for pass through and install windows 10 in a VM that only touches the internet once every 2 weeks to keep Fusion happy.
Professor_Piddles@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
It’s possible to pass thru a single GPU. I followed this guide on my Fedora desktop
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I’ve had windows update disabled for years so the fact that it’s “end of life” don’t mean shit to me. It’ll keep chugging along for years more.
That said, I installed Mint a week ago and love it!
prof@infosec.pub 9 months ago
EOL means no more security updates, which means attack vectors don’t get patched.
If you keep using a Windows installation (or any OS for that matter) that isn’t patched regularly you are very likely to be victim to some malicious actor eventually. It’s not manual hacking anymore, it’s bots scraping the whole internet exploiting known vulnerabilities completely automated.
The risk is much lower if you’re in a home network with NAT, where your PCs IP is not publicly reachable, but if you communicate with any webservices you’re still vulnerable.
As example. If you nowadays put a Windows XP machine live on the internet with a public IP, it will be compromised within minutes.
So yeah. Good call switching to Mint, but please don’t use unpatched Windows.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Nat is not a security feature.
Just use ipv6
hzl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
This is what 0patch is for!
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
I saw a YT video about XP being compromised. It was literally about 2-3 minutes, and it had been attacked.
HakunaHafada@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Mint was my first Linux OS, and it’s been really nice.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 months ago
Not my first, but the one I landed on after years. It’s just so good.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What is the highest spec pc I am likely to find for sale when people realise it cant go to windows 11?
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Installed Linux Mint a few months ago and have been dual booting. Hardly use Windows at all now.
Linux is exactly what an OS should be.
Teppichbrand@feddit.org 9 months ago
kepix@lemmy.world 9 months ago
these articles offer ms office alternatives acting like most people write their shopping lists in excel or something. i remember my friend asking for a cheap key for office, and i asked him when was the last time he opened a file in office. after a few seconds of waiting he told me that he opened up an rtf manual for an ancient tomb raider game…told him that almost anything can open an rtf. he lives an officeless life since.