Submitted 2 weeks ago by PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
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Disregard all rules, Get this to anyone you know in the US military now
A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
it hasn’t been silently taken over to disappear anyone that disobeys?
I dont think so, but If you think it has, contact JAG. Went to lookup if they have hotline, CAL GAURD JAG was apparently a trending search…
no hotline but front desk # for CAL GAURD JAG is 916-854-3505
not the same thing but UCMJ reports and legal questions are JAG’s bread and butter
this is a tweet from 2020: xcancel.com/CianMW/status/1267890378276876288
but, the organization which operates that hotline is still active: girightshotline.org
Reminder that “I was only following orders” is not a valid defence. It wasn’t at Nuremberg, and it isn’t now.
Here’s the part that scares me. The only reason those trials happened at all were other countries stepped in. Who will defeat USA and hold them accountable in a worst case scenario?
There’s a reason we are 50 loosely coupled states.
Climate change will defeat everyone soon if we don’t stop blowing through all of our deadlines.
You underestimate the strength of the 3rd Reich. It was something.
No country on Earth can hold its own if the rest of the world bands against it. If the US go ballistic, they’ll fall.
I’m more scared of whoever is in charge them taking the whole world with them using the big red button.
If nazis win this time, there wont ever be a nuremberg, because the planet will go through rapid climate change and everyone is gonna be dead.
What does GI stand for?
General Infantry. I believe it’s a classification in the US Army, but it basically just means soldier.
Gastrointestinal.
Well actually: “It was originally an initialism used in U.S. Army paperwork for items made of galvanized iron.[2] The earliest known instance in writing is from either 1906[3] or 1907.[2]” Also later on re-interpreted as “government issued” etc. but I guess today it just means US army soldier
In military/national defense contexts, it’s usually referring to General Infantry
General Infantry
I think it is actually generally short for “Government Issue” as a kinda a reference that they are government issue like everything else in a soldiers life
For completeness, Glicemic Index. In this case General Infantry though.
Glycemic Index Joe, reporting for duty
Apparently, it originally stood for galvanized iron based on the Wikipedia links shared elsewhere in this thread.
Without looking it up I think it’s government issued. Or that’s what I learned or made up as a kid. Probably wrong.
What would make anyone look at the last 80 years of US foreign policy, and not realize they’ve been following illegal orders the entire time? You think this is where they’ll draw the line?
This is a domestic issue, not foreign policy.
No, you just don’t understand how the two are intertwined.
If the sort of person who was part of those organisations cared about rule of law, none of them would have boarded planes to Iraq. Appreciate the optimism though.
Maybe this is libbed up, but someone here probably knows a national guard volunteer, at least some of whom probably don’t want to go out and fight their fellow citizens for ICE.
Buddy, where have you been the past 20 years? The kids who were boots on the ground are now in their late 30s and 40s, and many of them are staunchly anti-military thanks to their experiences.
The US military runs one of the largest propaganda campaigns in the world, from Hollywood movies and TV commercials to Raytheon funding colleges and recruitment officers walking the halls of high schools. Their entire thing is tricking impressionable young kids into doing the dirty work for the wealthy. When I was in college, the seniors in the game design program were working on a VR boot camp scenario in Second Life that the army wanted to take with them to schools as a recruitment tool.
But no war like the culture war, I guess.
All people are born ignorant to their material circumstances and the conditions necessary for them. Disadvantaged folk often have a more difficult path out of that ignorance. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs provides some insight into why: one rarely has capacity for deep introspection when they’ve been deprived of basic needs.
The US Military (among others) purposefully recruit more heavily in economically depressed areas. This has been true for decades. These two facts are correlated. Couple this with American Exceptionalist propaganda which created the myth and social elevation of the American Soldier as the ultimate freedom fighter / patriot and maybe you can sympathize with those who enlist.
My point is not that individuals should be excused from being taken to task for their actions. Nor is it that all those who enlist are duped into it. It’s this: people are rarely lost causes, are often unguided and live unexamined lives, and their personal context matters. When I’m struggling to find empathy I look to Daryl Davis. When we encounter ignorance, hate, and bigotry, we are right to oppose it. Always. How we do so should be conditioned, and possibly tempered, by the fact that we ourselves are ignorant to the context of the neighbors assigned to oppress us.
Do not dismiss out of hand the power of speaking to reason and empathy in the face of violence and hate. Take them to task with the intention of educating a lost comrade. We must defend ourselves when the need arises but, prior to that Rubicon, we ought to acknowledge that were it not for circumstances outside our control so too could we have remained ignorant and been persuaded toward hate.
There is no more stalwart an ally than one who has been given the tools to free themselves from chains they were sold as armor.
Couple this with American Exceptionalist propaganda which created the myth and social elevation of the American Soldier as the ultimate freedom fighter / patriot and maybe you can sympathize with those who enlist.
That myth. One of the things Umberto Eco discussed about in Ur-Fascism.
People who have decided to take up arms against other humans for money have passed some sort of rubicon I feel. They might be pursuaded to suppress their violent mercenary instincts for a while, but ultimately every violent repressive regime relies on these people, and has indoctrinated them accordingly.
Don’t blame the soldiers. Blame the politicians.
I went to Afghanistan. Does that mean that the war is my fault?
Newsom has the same power to control the situation as much as Trump. Both sides pander to their base.
Also, fuck Bush for extending our tour just for more soldiers to die.
I can understand deporting violent criminals. But people who are contributing to society in a positive way? Seems counterproductive to the mission of protecting communities.
Illegal immigration is still a crime, however. People who arent a criminal after that should be given a second chance if they’re productive members of society.
Oh well.
Don’t blame the soldiers.
The State is deploying National Guard troops on community members to defend ICE. I said nothing about assigning blame to anyone, but now that you mentioned it, I will emphatically blame National Guard members who go follow this disgusting order.
It depends. No, the war isn’t your fault. These troops in California being commandeered by the feds aren’t immediately the bad guys.
But if they’re told to shoot at a bunch of protesters, and then they do, well then they’re suddenly the bad guy.
Yeah if the Boston massacre was enough so would this be.
“Illegal immigration” actually isn’t a crime, it’s a civil infraction — like a speeding ticket.
Simply being ordered to Kent State wasn’t the soldiers fault.
The ones antagonizing students and eventually pulling triggers though?
Also, blame the politicians? Oh, I’d also blame your fellow soldiers and neighbors since many VOTED FOR THIS.
If the protestors engage the national guard soldiers? May God help both of them. I know the nasty guard won’t shoot unless their lives are threatened, so I hope no one does.
…and that hotline goes directly to POTUS landing you on some list
/s, but not really
Do we really believe that the kind of people who sign up for the military have this much reasoning ability?
The whole point is to mould them into unquestioning footsoldiers.
They aren’t as bad as police who have to actively try whereas someone can just “fall” into the army. But still, they are enemy combatants and can’t be expected to follow reason.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
The nazi soldiers were just following orders man idk what else to say. They were basically innocent.
Sightline@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t expect that to make a difference. Only 199 were tried at Nuremberg.
Octavius@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But over 3.5 Million were investigated, removed from office or faced trial in the so called “Entnazifizierung”