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Could You Prove You’re a US Citizen?

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨destructdisc@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨aboringdystopia@lemmy.world⁩

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-ice-detained-citizenship-proof.html

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  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can tell the guards there that you’re a citizen, but they’ll likely respond with some version of “tell it to the judge.” Your immigration-court appearance could be weeks, or even months, away. You will wait behind bars. There’s no right to counsel in immigration court — if you can’t afford a lawyer, you’ll have to represent yourself. When you finally see the inside of a courtroom, it could be what ICE calls a “mass removal” hearing with dozens of other defendants. You won’t have a chance to talk to a judge.

    Holy fucking shit. The injustice in this would cause me have a violent meltdown.

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    • TheFriar@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Would?” This is what’s happening.

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      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I meant if I was the affected person

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  • SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No. I can’t. And probably neither can most of us. That’s part of the plan. Anybody.us could be disappeared into the gulags.

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  • workerONE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How can you do anything if you’re detained by ICE? If you have your birth certificate or passport in a safety deposit box you can’t access it when you are detained.

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    • SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And if there’s no more birthright citizenship, how will any of that help anyway?

      At some point very soon, I see everyone having to appear before some official, fill out pages of forms, pay a few, and take an oath in order to be registered as a citizen.

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      • Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Only American citizens are able to hold a passport so that would be a way to prove it. In fact, for most people, your passport is easily the most valid form of government ID that you can get.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Start shooting.

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      • workerONE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Maybe without basic rights but not dead

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  • RedditAdminsSuckIt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can’t do any better than my birth certificate.

    If that’s no good then no

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    • destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That doesn’t always work either.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That didn’t even work for a President.

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  • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Probably but that’s because I’m privileged to have a space secure enough to store the magic documents that mean you’re allowed to occupy the volume required for me.

    Nations are dumb and imaginary.

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    • unmagical@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And when ICE says your passport or birth certificate is fake and they confiscate it?

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      • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’ll guess I’ll die.

        Magic isn’t real and you shouldn’t expect it to protect you.

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    • __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Do you carry those documents on you?!

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  • codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s only one form of ID ICE cares about:

    Image

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    • Waffle@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I can’t wait to get deported (I’m brown) while my son, who is white as fuck (but technically Latino) stays behind. 🫡

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  • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have all my various types of IDs going back to high school. State, student, passports, two birth certs, name change paperwork, old and new social security card. I’ve got so many ways to prove my identity. They’d probably just steal my shit and lose it then say I must be lying

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    • 13igTyme@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They wouldn’t even go that far. They’d just say it’s all fake. No need to take it.

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    • Witchfire@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They’d be suspicious of you having so many forms of ID, they’d call them fake and fist bump each other

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  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I could pretend I like guns and don’t know what a meter is. Would that be enough?

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    • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You mean like a parking meter?

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Depends on how much due process they’re willing to allow.

    I’m very white, so that’s something.

    I almost always have my drivers license on me, that should be worth something. However I’m pretty sure my state gives out licenses regardless of immigration status. Also, while I paid for RealID, I didn’t get it

    In case due process and constitutional rights were allowed, I have a passport and may be able to dig up a birth certificate. You can’t really do any better although I believe they’re already ignoring that

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    • lunarul@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      always have my drivers license on me, that should be worth something

      theguardian.com/…/us-citizen-detained-ice-real-id

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Seems like fairly established case law that you can film police and they can’t just call that “interference”. I hope he has a successful lawsuit.

        More importantly for me imgur.com/t75V7oe

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  • Jumi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nein

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    • DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Auch nein.

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      • Mariemarion@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Moi, non.

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  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Presumably yes, birth certificate. But based on seeing news of citizens being wrongfully deported I honestly don’t know what kind of proof ICE demands.

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  • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    yeah but why would you want to? talk about embarassing

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    • Witchfire@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Now that I’m no longer in the US, I’m so glad I can claim heritage to a third country (I was born there). I will never ever introduce myself as an American. If anything I refer to the state I came from since there is a lot of good there, but fascism is trying to drown it.

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    • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      no kidding

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nah, I don’t even live there

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  • snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Probably not without a ton of money and the willingness to pretend to be one…

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  • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Could you really prove anything, reality is relative and all.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve needed to email my birth certificate a few times, so I could probably find it in my emails.

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  • Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Squirrel

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thankfully not.

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  • Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t see posts with apologies to sovcits for ridiculing them. Not the part about somehow proving you don’t owe money, but the anti-centralist parts.

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    • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      what is a sovcit? anti-centralist? put down the drugs and ramble less.

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  • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’d rather tell them to get fucked. Though, not sure if have the stones.

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