Well, I’m glad you have the privilege to do so, I suppose.
We Study Fascism at Yale. We’re Leaving the U.S.
Submitted 5 weeks ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/opinion/yale-canada-fascism.html
Comments
Default_Defect@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 5 weeks ago
Well, why don’t the 250 million Americans who didn’t vote for trump just also move to Canada???
Default_Defect@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
Someone once told me to just apply to be a refugee and move to Canada, as a response to complaining about trump supporters in my area. They weren’t even a trump supporter themselves. Bruh, I doubt Canada wants my disabled and out of work ass, even if it was just that simple.
Emergency3030@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Would be nice but you can’t simply move to any other country you want. Other countries have enacted similar stupid immigration laws just like the US. There isn’t a single country where US citizens can just move (except the US of course). It’s like a curse. The orange in the WH would need to do something really f’ed for other countries to accept american asylum applications.
lud@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Well at least you can exclude roughly 81 million eligible non voters. Fuck em.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
They could just take a few weeks off of work all at once and watch the government come to its knees.
LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.
Technically you can criticize from afar but it’s good to have fascism experts on the front lines.
This is also an incredibly privileged thing to be able to do and one that the vast majority of the most vulnerable and likely to be on the camp list are stuck here and would like some experts to help fight back.
Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 weeks ago
The thing they are good for us as a canary in a coal mine, which is why they publish this.
mriswith@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Oh, it opens with a 6min unskippable video.
At this point I’m convinced that the NYT is living in the 2000s.
PanArab@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
It should have been clear when the police was cracking down on the university protests in 2024.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
2024? Not Bush II? Full blown fascism has just been on the back burner for a long time.
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Must be nice.
ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Well, that was a little terrifying
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Good idea - fascism is a subject best studied from a distance.
bappity@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
considering the actions of the current administration it would have probably been better to publish this after leaving the US
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I suspect they’re willing to take the risk to try and warn others. This is sort of a middle ground approach. They’re banking on Trump not being able to retaliate in time before they leave the country, he’s moving fast, but he’s not at the imprison political opponents stage yet. He will be soon, but they’ve got some time.
In the meantime, it serves as a warning to us and others to get out if you can.
deathbird@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
If they were genuinely afraid, sure.
SW42@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
To be fair many of the US media outlets, among which is also the New York Times often refused to call out the utter nonsense that Trump was spewing during the campaign. This is also a reason it has come to the current situation.
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
“As the leading experts on this topic we feel that the best course of action is to hide. We feel that anyone else would be better suited to help address something that is so bad we believe it will eventually lead to global turmoil.”
And people have the audacity to think that most of these modern academics are nepotistic charlatans and spineless cowards. Pssshhhaawww.
EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
These experts sound like they rolled high for their intelligence stat, but low for wisdom.
As an expert, they should know how well hiding has historically worked against fascists. Eventually, the only place that ends up being available to hide in is the mass grave the fascists dug for you.
How about fighting before it gets worse? How about you make the thin skinned idiots scared to be so openly fascist? How about showing them there is a resistance against their behaviour instead of immediate capitulation at the earliest necessity of protest.
Because from where I’m sitting, running away encourages fascists to think they’re scary enough to avoid the consequences of their actions via intimidation. Yet, they’re a bunch of old geriatric idiots that take offense for calling their hands small.
Fucking calling them names works better than running away.
Running away makes it seem like sticks and stones are necessary when words will always hurt them.
All thats needed to beat these idiots is a stream of childish insults being lobbed at them publically at a near constant rate. Trump would literally quit being president if he had to hear about having a small dick, hands, and brain everyday. But heaven forbid such a stupid solution ever be pursued by academics. (Despite it being incredibly effective when Trump did the same to Biden).
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Thank you for saying what I wanted to say. Also just going to point out that the modern American fascists are incredibly stupid meaning that once you abandon civility they become rather easy to deal with, especially if you can keep your cool while getting them wound up. As you said why use sticks and stones when words are still effective.
zbyte64@awful.systems 5 weeks ago
Ahh but they’re calling it a protest because they got an NyTimes article written about their leaving.
ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
The New York Times never fails to reveal its close adherence to its century-plus role as entertainment for the well-to-do who want to play in the trappings of intellectualism without ever having their status quo truly challenged.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 weeks ago
Good for them.
Desistance@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Must be nice to be able to afford to run.
aramova@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
“Fascist expert”, hm like, a historian ? lol sorry I don’t speak the nytimes-language
andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Not just historian, but a specific type of political historian. “Historian” is a broad umbrella - Snyder is the only one I’ve read, but he’s very much focused specifically on authoritarianism, fascism and genocide. His Bloodlands is kinda the book on Ukraine/Russia.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Adios! Thanks for taking the money!
Throwaway4669332255@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Where would you even move to?
deathbird@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
I read the summary on the archive page. I’m not impressed.
Let’s go with the premise that I believe that the American fascist movement is here. So what do I do with that? We can’t all just move to Toronto, and if we could it wouldn’t help anyone else. So…?
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
We need an “I’m an academic expert on fascism. Of you see me running try and keep up” tee shirt
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
My therapist called me a canary in the coal mine. I’m trans, I have the means to move, basically it was a “if you leave suddenly I’ll know things have gotten really bad”. I’ve almost gotten everything lined up to move on a plan but I’m still keeping my bug out bag around in case something bad enough happens I need to leave day of to try and get past the border
vimmiewimmie@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Ehhmm… Would you happen to need a live in maid, assistant, gardener, groundskeeper…anything wherever you end up? Asking for a friend.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Any advice for someone starting this sort if planning (beyond "you should’ve started a year ago)?
M137@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If you see me running, try to keep up*
Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
They’re fascism experts, not grammar experts