Submitted 3 days ago by Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/29037456
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And the economy is planned for 5 years at a time to keep those jobs this stable, yes?
Each time this guy opens his trap, he proves that when you hire clowns, you get a circus.
He is the proof, that time travel is real. They got a feudal lord from the middle ages to cosplay as that guy.
You keep hearing some members of this administration talk about automation and robots for factory jobs, and also AI for office jobs. If the press were at all smart they would continually ask these morons to keep explaining this contradiction. But I would love hear what they think will happen if everyone in the country loses their job. It’s not going to be good for the %.01 either.
Oh yeah, only right wing brown-nosers have White House press credentials anymore.
That would require the media to not be owned by the same kind of people that own the factories.
Or afraid of losing access. They keep throwing soft balls because they’re worried about being banned from press conferences and interviews.
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills, and they haven’t asked themselves the most basic question - if corporations have the opportunity to rebuild the manufacturing base in America, why would they recreate the model that sent manufacturing overseas in the first place? Wouldn’t they use this unique opportunity to create an entirely new model? And would that model benefit the workers, or the corporation?
The simple facts are, there will be two models in the new American manufacturing environment. The first will be factories that will rely heavily on automation/ robotics, and need very few humans. The second will be modeled after Asian sweatshops, with low pay, no benefits, forced overtime with no OT pay, child/teen labor, no health/safety/environmental regulations, etc.
The MAGA Nazis know this, but they are still selling the fantasy of high-paying factory jobs that even a stupid MAGA can do. I get that, they are disengenuous to the core, but why aren’t Dems or the media screaming about this, and asking MAGA Nazis in every interview?
Nothing you tell a MAGA, that doesn’t sound like you worship their dear leader, will sink into their thick skulls.
They could literally be chained to a sewing machine working the 95th hour that week, paid $1 per hour and they would still claim they were winning (or at least owning the libs).
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills
No, most have never worked an actual manufacturing, or trade job in their lives, and the ones who have want to distance themselves from that embarrassing “Peasant Work” episode at all costs.
but why aren’t Dems or the media screaming about this
Because the Dems and media are MAGA too. There is no left.
I have a better idea. I call it guillotine justice. Everyone finds the wealthiest 100 people in their county and introduces them to the guillotine of justice. The homes, land and wealth of the recently deceased wealthy bastards become communal property. Many of the rich bastards own hundreds of houses and thousands of acres of land. We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms. The rent would go down dramatically with all the free houses available and rich people will be selling or giving away their excess wealth to keep from being picked in the next round of guillotine justice.
We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms
We have to worry about farming though.
The prices of agriculture commodities are so low that things will be more expensive after a revolution. Think illigal immigrants picking fruits, they will receive fair wages, won’t they?
Yes, they will. You know what else will happen with community farms?
You don’t need to long-haul your produce thousands of miles.
You reduce fossil fuel usage associated with transportation and refrigeration.
You significantly cut packaging waste (plastic wraps, cartons, trays).
You eliminate or drastically reduce food spoilage during transit.
You lower dependency on chemical preservatives needed for extended shelf life.
You avoid industrial-scale pesticide and herbicide use that damages ecosystems.
You decrease water waste from large-scale irrigation systems.
You eliminate excessive food processing required for preservation and transport.
You prevent large-scale soil degradation and erosion due to monoculture practices.
You reduce greenhouse gas emissions from heavy machinery and vehicles.
You minimize biodiversity loss caused by vast monocrop fields.
You eliminate food waste from standardized aesthetic requirements (rejecting imperfect produce).
You avoid the environmental harm and fossil fuel use from massive refrigerated storage facilities.
You reduce deforestation and habitat destruction associated with industrial farming expansion.
You significantly lower the risks of large-scale disease outbreaks and contamination.
You reduce reliance on genetically modified crops engineered solely for transport durability.
You prevent nutrient loss in produce caused by prolonged storage and transport times.
You reduce economic vulnerabilities associated with centralization and supply-chain disruptions.
You mitigate community health risks by providing fresher, nutrient-rich produce.
You reduce noise, air, and water pollution associated with industrial farming machinery and processes.
children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange.And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot
Community farms are precisely about correcting this injustice. There’s so much watse in “profit”, and profit keeps growing.
Why is your default mode of thinking of these farms that they should operate under capitalism and exploitation? Why guillotine the capitalists and take their golf courses and estates to make community farms if we’re just going to continue capitalism?
These people live in the delusion of the 1950’s being a Golden Utopia of America. Minorities knew their place, women kept their mouths shut and stayed in the kitchen, kids were mindless obedient extensions of their fathers, and everything was just… Perfect.
Except for the high income taxes. Fuck that.
It’s been clear from the start that they only want to make things ‘great’ for greedy cunts.
Yep.
You’re right about them wanting to go back to the 50s, but I’m not sure it isn’t the 1850s or even the 1750s…
“It’s the 50’s somewhere! Gimme a cold beer, bro!”
The reason Trumps idea appeals to people for those unaware is that free trade destroyed a lot of union jobs, which were outsourced to emerging markets. After the industrial revolution unions fought for worker rights and salaries, and they were shipped away to places that didnt have those rights, and they see this as a reversal of this.
Not sure if its right or wrong, but you cant fault them for holding out hope. Its actually a left wing ideal in a way.
Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort,
Who’s saying that?
To be fair, this is what this government promised. The issue is that the voters just took it in
The worst job I ever had had was right after I got out of the military and went home. I needed a job and a buddy of mine worked in a place that made custom logo hats and jackets for various businesses. His job was to ship the finished products out. The job I got was on the floor sewing the little cardboard backing that the hat bill is sewn onto. I did this for a summer in an unair-conditioned room full of mostly older Asian women that were quite demanding about quality control. The repetitiveness of it was truly maddening.
Think I’ll pass, bud. I’ve read The Jungle, I know how this ends.
This take has got me hate before, but The Jungle is where I got my work ethic. I was 19, college American History. I was fucking appalled, but my take-away was, “Holy SHIT! He persevered though all that and kept going and going! BEASTLY!” (OK, it was the 90s: “GNARLY!”)
I know that wasn’t the intended lesson, but I was a changed man after reading that. No job, no matter how shitty, was tough enough to compare. Employment experience has always been, since then, working my ass off and quickly moving up to what I want to do.
Even my shit job at Lowe’s, been there 3-months, moved up to what I wanted, full-time position opening the garden center. I have the best job out of all those fuckers, that fast. No ass kissing or nepotism, no buddies on site, just grit.
I’ve done this in many jobs. “Fuck I’m taking customer service calls forever, I want to train classes instead.” Moved into that in 3-6 months, two different jobs. Slow as hell as an internet cable guy, but did perfect work. Moved into a QA/supervisory position in 4-months.
Anyway, yes, The Jungle is what these fuckers want us back to doing. And for anyone that hasn’t read it, please do so now.
Children make good factory slaves. Now I understand why they got rid of the department of education.
The traditional education system was actually designed specifically to prepare children for factory work. Enforce strict schedules, you arrive when we tell you, you eat when we tell you, you pee when we tell you, you leave when we tell you. The bell is king, and determines your whole day. Deviation from the bell’s schedule is to be punished and ridiculed.
It sounds like hyperbole, but modern education is literally based on the schools that factory owners set up for their workers’ kids, to groom the kids to work in the factory when they were old enough.
The factory owners just copied that from the Prussian model that was meant to train children to be good soldiers. Not that that would be any better…
Brainwash them from childhood that it’s “Normal,” and most will never think it’s not.
So they’re saying they want us to die on the job. That might be okay for some but I still want to at least pretend to retire before I croak
Otto von Bismarck moment.
(Context: dude instated pretty much the first pensions system in the world to try and stop the Marxists gaining influence, and allegedly asked the guy in charge of making the program to set the retirement age at a value where most of the population would die before reaching it. Iirc they settled on 70 years old, which is definitely too old for the average 19th century factory peon)
They’re still so certain we’re having grandkids… Who’s gonna tell them?
It might not be you, but it will be children having children with abortion bans and lack of sex education.
From age six until you drop dead. No schools required, whatever you need to do this job you will learn on the job.
For life? Someone is delusional.
Maybe for 5 years, at most. Humans need food. Humans need breaks. Automated assembly machines? 24/7 production, no annual leave, no insurance plans, and no unionizing.
The up-front cost is much higher, but it’s cheaper in the long run. Good luck keeping that factory job long enough to have kids, let alone pass it down to them.
We’ll, the article was about the jobs maintaining the robots, not humans building stuff in factories.
Well, that’s on me for only reading the summary posted here.
these idiots have been so spoonfed that they’ve mentally swapped factory jobs and union jobs
Precisely.
I actually don’t want to work at a factory. I want robots to do that for me and I want the products to be cheap so I can buy cool stuff to do more interesting things.
Like I don’t want to weld parts and stuff, I want to make lasers from those parts.
I don’t want to melt glass. I want to use lenses to make images.
I don’t want to dig for shit. I want to use that stuff to make rocket fuel.
We don’t want factory jobs. We want technology jobs.
But someone, somewhere is doing the grunt work. We’re nowhere near replacing manual labor. Hell, a robot with 10x our current capabilities couldn’t do my dumbass job at Lowe’s, and it certainly couldn’t talk to customers with decades of DIY and plant experience.
If you are clever enough for that creative work, why don’t you use that creativity to make those jobs?
The uncomfortable problem is that manufacturing jobs dind’t move to China for the cheap workers but for the cheap engineers and managers who run the factories.
Production won’t come back because there are not enough clever people in the USA.
And you, your kids and your grandkids will all work in the factory for minimum wage at the same time! A real family affair, whether you’re an 80 year old or a 12 year old, there’s factory work there for you!
I guess, since they’re careers jobs for life, they’re also saying that recessions like the one they’re triggering right now will never happen again, because layoffs aren’t going to be a thing. So that’s… um… an interesting empty promise, anyways.
Hey, knowing the means of production in and out will be pretty valuable once the working class also own it.
Wow the AI meme from earlier this week, with the humans inside and the robots painting and doing creative work, it became too real
America was isolated from WW2 and joined at the end on their terms and for their benefit thanks to their location/geography. America will easily self-isolate and go full V for Vendetta (white [Germanic? Anglo Saxon? I feel like Germanic covers both] ethnonationalism, as usual) until it eventually balkanizes.
But Americans are honestly the dumbest people I’ve ever met, seeming almost challenged in their happy ignorance, so what can Americans by themselves do against their owners and through hardship? Israelis bomb Palestine through Ramadan and the communities still break their fast together in the rubble of their homes; Americans can’t afford something they’ve been advertised but definitely don’t need and will start selling drugs, their bodies (OF has made it easier than ever too!) and, finally, their souls. I can’t see them doing anything besides murdering when they have the upper hand and assenting in fear when they don’t, and I definitely don’t see them getting together productively.
Lol the factories have been neglected for so long they aren’t gonna be there.
He doesn’t mean after they graduate high school, he means as soon as they can walk.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And life means you dying from work related health issues at fifty, of course.
pdxfed@lemmy.world 2 days ago
If you make it there; you won’t have a union and labor protections will be struck down in kangaroo courts, OSHA safety requirements were already a main driver of people not wanting to work these kobs–and that was before the current and future dismantling of OSHA related rules.
Also, how are you going to get 90k when federal minimum wage is what is was in 2009? Many of the southern states have even passed “counter-wage” laws forbidding the state from passing it’s own improved min wage law–truly hateful of the average person.
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Is OSHA really enforced? My only dealing with them was 20-years ago somewhere in Chicagoland. We were new there and I went to the office to ask what job safety requirements looked like for us cable guys. They stared at me like I was an alien. (And BTW, encounters like that are why conservatives are all, “hell yeah! slash them jobs! fuck the gubermint!” The older you get, the most BS stories ya got. I have some positive ones from my local redneck city!)
The main safety driver, from my experience and current POV, is worker’s comp insurance. Employers do not fuck around with rising insurance rates, or getting sued. A worker’s comp investigation can be expensive, then come the higher rates. Employers want to show every way they’ve trained you, given you safety gear and trained you some more.
If you blatantly ignore the training and procedures, and get hurt, no comp for you. Perfect example is Lowe’s “safety knife”. Nope, can’t possibly hurt yourself with it, but you can barely do your job. They turn a blind eye to those of use who bring our own box cutters, but insurance ain’t paying if I split my finger open. (Well, they might, but if it came to litigation, they wouldn’t have to. And shouldn’t have to.)
tl:dr; Worked in the payroll industry. Worker’s comp insurance is a way bigger deal than most know.