Submitted 11 months ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
Without any hate speech or whatever. What is now WOKE that was once PC and vice versa?
Yes, they’re the same thing.
As others have noted, the original definitions and origins were different. However, both terms came to be appropriated by right wing politics to mean (generously) “too liberal” or (more realistically) “associated with non-white people and/or women”.
Political correctness is what racists think being woke is, which is why they’re angry.
No.
PC was not using offensive language that’s degradingly to traditionally disadvantaged groups
Woke a African American word used back in the 30’s to describe the understanding of the racial bias inherent in the systems of America.
Both are completely misused and misunderstood by Republicans and to use anti-x to mean “I want to remain a complete asshole”.
What’s nice of them is that they provide these easy to understand labels for themselves. “White male, mid 40s, used the word woke => avoid avoid avoid”
You’re right, but in the way Republicans/the right uses them, they are identical.
Every few years they change up the terminology. After PC it became SJW. Then it became CRT. Then woke. Now it’s transitioning to DEI. In a few years they’ll change to a new term.
But, to them it all means the same thing “anything supporting non-white people, lgbtq people, and/or women.”
Pretty sure
It’s political correctness expanded to also care about how people talk about gender issues and such. That’s all. And it’s so hilarious to see people feel threatened by such an in offensive idea as ‘maybe respect people and how they want to be addressed or referred to.’
Yes, and it was “bleeding heart” before that.
The reason this insult has such staying power is because it’s apt. Reactionaries are correct when they say liberals by in large don’t really care about minorities or the disadvantaged, they just use them for political power.
The mistake is in thinking that liberals represent the left.
You’re confusing fiscally liberal with left wing liberal. They’re completely different beasts.
Yeah - it’s always been just a weird way to try to tie a negative connotation to “cares about other human beings and doesn’t want to hurt their feelings unnecessarily.”
PC is what people call basic politeness when they don’t wanna do it.
Respecting basic human dignity for outgroups is a core part of being woke, for sure.
Exactly… It’s usually boomers/gen x’ers these days, but whenever I hear someone complain about something being “PC,” it’s an immediate red flag.
I think that “woke” (as it used now by right wing mouth breathers) is a combination of “PC” and “satanic”. Because from what I remember in my childhood, “satanic” was the word of choice for right wingers to use when they didn’t like something. “PC” was used in an insulting way by certain people but it was far more popular at the time to just accuse anything they didn’t like of being devil worship.
“Woke” is the exact same shit as that. Just repackaged so that edgelord teenagers also think it’s cool to call everything “woke”. And instead of the devil, it’s the LGBTQ+ community, which is probably the same thing to them anyway. But it’s all spear headed by the same fucking people or types of people, along with their legion of useful idiots this time.
Basically it is the trendy word to say, “This thing does not align to my narrow world view and is therefore bad and wrong.”
I thought one would call someone being “PC” , “Woke”, as ment to be derogatory.
Like the left saying that they are PC. But the right calling it Woke to defame any of those actions…
Partially similar, but nowadays “woke” has much more of an edge, and seems to follow an agenda.
What’s the agenda?
I think the idea is that someome wants to avoid being “cancelled” after they’ve been exposed for for abusing social trust and norms of behaviour - usually to their own benefit.
So they denigrate or attack anyone exposing their shitty behaviour or anything similar. If they can do this they can contine to be cunts to society and avoid being ostracised by it.
But once they can get away with it, one can systematically exploit social trust and norms repeatedly, and presumably grow the power and influnce of their subculture. Even at the cost of overall the weath of the encompassing society - it won’t matter to the dicks so long as they can extort a bigger share of the smaller pie.
Polite society will unfortunately struggle to effectively ostracise the people who do this because they’re (rightly) worried about due process, accountability, fairness, and miscarriages of justice.
Oh I know this! When I was in middle school I had a weekly calendar that I had to fill out what I did for each class that day and write down future events like field trips etc. that was literally called our “agenda”.
Hope this helped.
You mean treating people with respect and empathizing about their life situations? Shouldn’t that just be normal?
With rational, well-adjusted, reasonable people, absolutely. With chest-puffing brainwashed conservatives, it is somehow a handicap.
They’re related but not the same. Political correctness is about taking steps not to offend anyone. Wokeism is more about acknowledging societal issues and lack of inclusivity.
As meat bridge said, the stupid nationalist conservatives stole our word again
While you are correct, the only people using “woke” anymore are using it as an insult, meaning “not a bigot like me.”
Witchfire@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Woke”, “PC”, “CRT”, “DEI” and other terms like that are just dogwhistles for racist people that mean “people who aren’t white cishet men”