the size of the framebuffer has nothing to do with how much power the device has to fill it up.
Even the crappiest integrated gpu is “4k” capable
Nintendo Switch 2 Launches on June 5th Worldwide; 1080p Screen With 120 FPS and HDR Support, Docked Mode 4K Resolution Support Confirmed
Submitted 11 months ago by simple@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world
https://wccftech.com/nintendo-switch-2-launches-june-5th-120fps-4k-support/
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vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
dodos@lemmy.world 11 months ago
4k? My 3070 can’t even get close to 60fps 4k on most games
randomname@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
the games will still run at 1080p, or 720p but be upscaled to 4k using dlss, xess, or fsr
GoumLeChat@jlai.lu 11 months ago
It’s 4k compatible, probably not 4K native. Maybe zome games like Zelda will use Nvidia upscalling.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
And yet switch 2 can on 10 year old phone hardware.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Gotta just be for video playback not games right??
Or maybe 30fps max?
skisnow@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Or it’s rendered at 1080 and upscaled…
Lightor@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Man I’ve just forgotten about Nintendo at this point. Microsoft and Sony get that exclusives aren’t working when people don’t have enough money to buy every system anymore. I see Nintendo as a niche console with a handful of games. There’s just not enough to justify buying one, and I grew up on Zelda and Metroid. I love them, but it’s not worth buying another console for a few high priced games with questionable performance.
PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What exactly do you consider high priced? $60 for a game that you end up playing for 10 hours is only $6 an hour. Compared to the price of a movie ticket, that’s pretty cheap entertainment.
Lightor@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You can try to rationalize it all you want, bottom line is people don’t have money to buy $80 games these days.
I bought a rug that I’ve gotten years of value out of, should it have been thousands of dollars then? The idea that time used is how you measure value is flawed.
Abnorc@lemm.ee 11 months ago
As far as games go, it’s still a lot. I’ve played some $20 games for hundreds of hours. Not a dealbreaker, and I’ll gladly buy the game if it looks fun. On the other hand, the games generally being expensive is not a selling point for the console.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
The Switch has sold more than the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S combined. Very “niche”
Lightor@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Cool. And Sony can sell to PS and PC, same with Xbox. They have two markets, one that they don’t have to support with hardware. They can also make games that look nice and run nice because they have much better hardware.
Psythik@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The GPU has less than 10% the CUDA cores of a 4090, a GPU that can’t hit 120 FPS in most modern games @4K without DLSS. No way in hell will the Switch 2 hit 120 FPS @1080p, not without some extreme DLSS upscaling and some serious graphical compromises… Proper RT is completely out of the question.
This thing won’t even be able to keep up with the PS5, a 5 year old console. It will compete with the Steam Deck, however.
That said, I miss the days when Nintendo cared about graphics. But at this point it’s been over 25 years since those days. That’s almost as long as it’s been since I last enjoyed a Mario or Zelda game. Between all this and the fact that they sue their fans, I am so done with Nintendo. I feel like I’ve outgrown them anyway.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
the PS5, a 5 year old console
Can we out spoiler tags on things that make me, someone who isn’t 30 yet, feel downright ancient please? It’s too early to be facing my mortality like that
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Hello, is this your first time finding out consoles blatantly lie about 4k since console gamers have no understanding how 4k is impossible to run with the best hardware.
Psythik@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yeah seriously it’s so annoying.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Brought to you by the losers of the lawsuits… Losers like you and me.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I think I’m going to hack my switch 1 now, and put some custom mario kart tracks on it
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I thought the same thing
UnhingedFridge@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I wonder how quickly the modding scene will crack it.
chetradley@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Imagine booting steam os on this thing.
dyc3@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Probably not gonna happen since steam os isn’t built for arm systems
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That asshole company nobody cares about?
chetradley@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I love Nintendo games and loathe their business practices.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
That asshole company everyone* cares about. My hatred of Nintendo runs deep. But I still watched the direct. I’m so excited for the innovative new features, and the new Mario Kart looks sick. I am disgusted that they will use the money to go after fans. I need help
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yup, new lawsuits, good hackers in jail just for helping retards like me to play a game when we feel like it…me, once a year maybe? Why would I buy a console if I only play once a year?
caut_R@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I wanna see what the price is and what reviewers think of the screen and I might get one and sell my Switch OLED.
However, with these game prices I sure as hell am not getting any games, I‘ll play through my backlog games which I‘ll also check whether and which will get updates. It‘d be really nice if the games I have that play at 30 fps would play at 60 and at 1080p native. Maybe I’ll get physical copies of Switch 2 games heavily discounted later on.
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
At $80-$90 for physical editions, I wouldn’t count on the used market helping that much.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Maybe I’ll get physical copies of Switch 2 games heavily discounted later on.
Later on, as in, in like 30 years? Assuming physical Switch 2 games don’t become prized collector’s items like every other Nintendo consoles’ physical games
Cataphract@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
cough amiibo cough
seriously though, Nintendo knows what they’re doing with their new limited scarcity tactics with trying to stay relevant. I think you’ll be able to find physical SNES games easier than switch 2 games in 30 years.
drmoose@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Are they legit charging money for the tech demo game?
Also did they mention how much the “upgrades” will be?
Seems like I’m staying on Steam Deck until that thing wears down into a pile of dust huh.
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Also did they mention how much the “upgrades” will be?
My understanding is it’s $10 for upgrades that just run better with no new content, and $20 for ones that also have new content of come sort.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 11 months ago
From what i am reading only mario party jamboree and kirby upgrades will cost money, the zelda ones are free if you pay for switch online and metroid and pokemon dont appear to have any proce attached to their upgrades.
The running theory is thst most games wont cost to upgrade unless they offer expanded content. But expansions costing money is nothing new.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hold on they are suing a grandma right now. They’ll get back to you soon.
merdaverse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Guessing there’s a lot of DLSS going into those resolution and framerate specs…
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Judging by the bit of Prime 4 they showed, I think their first party titles will just skip ray tracing and use relatively low-poly models.
Leeuk@feddit.uk 11 months ago
For me, its not the console price thats the problem. £395.99 in the UK but if we consider inflation, the switch 1 would be around £360-365 today. An extra £30ish for a bigger screen and more power is not too unreasonable. Plus ending in 95.99 rather than 99.99 suggests Nintendo have tried to trim the headline price down.
The real problem is the accessories and games. £75 for new pro controller, £50 for new microSD Express (only ones compatible) £50 for webcam and £67-75 for physical games, £59-£67 for digital.
Ouch.
Natanael@infosec.pub 11 months ago
It seems like there’s nothing special about the camera, hopefully you could use others.
The SD Express makes sense, they’re not just upcharging (you can use any manufacturer’s cards), it’s how they guarantee the storage is reliably fast enough for all games to prevent lag in loading speeds
But for the other accessories, sure. And charging for switch 2 edition upgrades is annoying.
fermuch@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
In the nintendo direct, when they were talking about the extra usb-c port, they’ve mentioned it could be used to connect a usb-c camera. Their camera announcement came way later.
Maybe there is hope?
fastfomo7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Nintendo gets greedy again.
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
They’re thrusting themselves back into directly competing with Sony and MS with those prices. Bold move in this economy, but they’ll probably do fine. I don’t expect nearly as many Switch 2s sold compared to the original, though.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Got my sream deck. I am fine without a switch.
Nothing lost and if I’d need it, emulation works good enough.
CosmicJoker@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Fuck nintendo and those prices.
7 seas for me.
$80 lmao and $90 they are insane
Guess GTA 6 is truly gonna be $100
Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
It’s 70 and 80 tho?
And as an old, even with this price increase games are cheap, especially with how much time you get out of them.
I remember when Mario 3 was 50$ in 1990.
That’s a 120$ today I think.
Mario 3 was way easier to make.
CosmicJoker@lemm.ee 11 months ago
What a shit excuse of an argument.
Nintendo has BILLIONS all these corpos have billions they can keep the $60 price tag.
But they don’t cause they want MORE while still paying workers shit.
Maybe YOUR paycheck has keep up with inflation but mine and millions of others sure as fuck hasn’t.
Either way shits getting modded so I’ll play for free. The switch 1 is the final console for me.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
At least this game may be worth it if it’s $/h.
Nintendos game might be <40hours long of pure campaign (excluding open world games like pokemon)CosmicJoker@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That’s encouraging prices to sky rocket.
Holy shit yall truly boot lick so hard.
10000% GTA6 will be $100 if Rockstar reads any of these posts.
Setting a bad precedent.
ka1ikasan@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Well, I will just stick to PC and Steam Deck even if I consider price/hour money.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
I don’t want to be encouraging that though because if we’re paying per hour of campaign then Civ would be $6K and even something like Kingdom Come Deliverance would be $400
I don’t have that kind of money.
blorps@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The prices plus the fact the “physical” games are just download codes (cartridges are not preloaded) really killed the hype for me. I was excited for the new Mario Kart. But $90 for a physical download code after the lackluster, unfinished feeling main titles (Animal Crossing especially) on the Switch has me kind of disgusted. The game “upgrades” also are a bummer. Mario Party Jamboree, while fun, also feels unfinished. A lot of Nintendo’s newer games do, save for Zelda.
I just hope Tomodachii 2 is available on Switch 1. If it’s not I’m just going to have to wait for a rip.
melfie@lemmings.world 11 months ago
That takes away much of the appeal of physical copies since Nintendo can still still control how it’s used after it is sold, like modify the contents, ban your key, etc. Buying would not be owning in that case.
Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Only some games are like that, and the ones that are, are cheaper.
I don’t know how you think Mario Party Jamboree is unfinished tho. It’s felt like the most polished one on years - probably since the first one on the Wii, except it has even more stuff than that.
natryamar@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wait so all physical games are like that? Not just some of them?
llii@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I don’t think all games are like that, only some. Probably the ones that got larger file sizes. I hope they don’t cheap out and put smaller games also on licence-only cartridges.
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I just hope Tomodachii 2 is available on Switch 1
It is, it was announced for the OG Switch.
blorps@lemmy.world 11 months ago
thank goodness!!!
Vari@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Can’t wait to never buy one. My switch has tears and BOTW on it, and those are the last games I’ll buy from Nintendo so…
PhAzE@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Bananaza looks pretty good.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why are you guys mad at Nintendo now?
Abnorc@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Nintendo has been pushing the limits of how far it can make things worse for their customers, and people are still locked in because of some of the first party franchises. (Zelda, Mario, Pokémon, etc.)
Frankly, I’m surprised that Nintendo fans aren’t more mad.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Because their only saving grace up until this point has been relatively cheap consoles.
chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Because they are one of the most consumer hostile gaming companies. The only redeeming quality is their games are usually top notch. I personally refuse to give them any more money.
Penguinz@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Same reason the ps3 fumbled the announcement and failed at launch. They got too greedy
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 11 months ago
Until March 31st, 2026, the GameChat system will be available for free for all Switch 2 owners
Is this so they can lock it behind the subscription after this? Along with all the other new features, not worth it for me. Getting the steam deck once I can’t get anymore physical games on the switch 1.
Natanael@infosec.pub 11 months ago
I hope they at least allow gamechat to be used locally, and by that I specifically mean allowing the camera stuff to be active (like if you plug in a small USB C camera in portable mode, maybe even if you sit in wireless range but in different rooms)
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Just like how online play was originally free on the Switch 1.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Bet they priced it that high to get ahead of any tariffs that might affect them. Consumers really don’t like to see price hikes right around a launch. Plus they still want to milk the Switch 1 since they probably have a very healthy profit margin on that machine. This price makes the Switch 1 look very appealing for people who still haven’t bought one.
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Okay, but why are they charging $80 for a digital game, which tariffs don’t apply to?
Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
I believe the tariffs do apply to digital goods as well depending where the server is.
Either way, the main reason would be because of digital was cheaper it would cannibalize physical sales.
bluegreenwookie@bookwormstory.social 11 months ago
It’s about 100 bucks more than the og switch… theres 24% tariff. 24% of 450 is 108. Math checks out for the physical copy of games too.
It’s too close to be a coincidence
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Then why does the rest of the world, who don’t have tariffs on Japan, have to pay those prices as well?
Gointhefridge@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That pricing is really putting Nintendo out of its core market. The reason the Switch was an absolute smash is because it was and remained accessibly priced. The fact they’re charging $450 is really putting them out of the “hey that’s not too bad” audience. This is a wildly bad move on their part.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Given Nintendos never on sale pricing I cannot commit to this console. God 90 for a game is ridiculous.
Not to mention their awful peripherals pricing and chatoic lineup.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I won’t lie, I’m only interested in the new Pro controller. My old one has slight stick drift which absolutely sucks of course but it’s over 7 years old and feels so much better than anything else on the market. I also prefer the Nintendo button layout over Microsoft’s so it’s an easy purchase.
Noodle07@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Best switch console is still the steam deck I’m sure :3
MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 11 months ago
I have never purchased a game at $70 so for $80 they can be sure as shit I am hard noping out of this one. I was a day 1 3DS (ambassador club!) and Wii U buyer. Really hope this backfires, so incredibly stupid
Penguinz@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Console price doesn’t bother me so much, but these game prices really instantly killed my hype. Can’t wait to not buy the Wii U 2
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m personally very excited for Prime 4, DK Bananza, and Hyrule Warriors Imprisoning War, as well as F-Zero GX getting released from the vault. Maybe not hyped enough to pay day 1 prices though
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
So it’s $650 CAD $700 AUD for the Switch 2 and it’s $120 CAD $150 AUD for Mario Kart.
LMAO
samus12345@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Hopefully they’ll be releasing games for both Switch and Switch 2 for a while like what happened with PS4/PS5. I know the flagship games will be 2 only, but other 3rd party stuff.
rodneylives@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Something I’ve seen far less reaction to than I expected? While the Switch 2 looks like it takes standard MicroSD cards, it DOESN’T. It takes the fairly obscure MicroSD Express standard! I can’t even BUY an SD Express card locally right now! It seems likely, at launch, that Nintendo’s branded cards will be the only ones people can get that will work with it!
The Switch 2 has 256GB of onboard storage, much more than the Switch, it is true. But it’s also backwards compatible with the Switch, and lets users bring their old digital library over with them. I have a 256GB card in my Switch, it’s nearly full, and it doesn’t have my whole library on it! If I got a Switch 2, I’d have it filled up on day 1!
And the MicroSD card issue won’t be obvious to most buyers. Parents will get their kids Switch 2s, and wonder why their old card won’t work with it. It’ll look to them like the Switch 2 or the card is broken, unless they implement a physical lock against incompatible cards, and I don’t know if SD cards even support those. Also, SD Express cards are more expensive than standard ones.
This could end up being a debacle almost on the scale of the price (which, as others have noted, isn’t even Nintendo’s fault entirely).