Thank God they’re not just letting that shit slip
Tesla is banned from Canada EV rebate program, gov freezes suspicous $43 million in rebates
Submitted 1 month ago by juergen@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
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straightjorkin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Prox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What kind of first-world county would let it slip?
Glances nervously in US
Ozeback@lemm.ee 1 month ago
We don’t merely let it slip by nowadays. We lube up the grifting slide to make it faster.
Petter1@lemm.ee 1 month ago
US? first-world? What? No! It really isn’t. Like health care is worse than some “third-world” countries…
roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Bankruptcy! Woo!
dojan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Hope so. They’ve been trying to undermine the Swedish job market here, and even fucking stalked their employees. Horrible company.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wait what? Can we give more details? What do you mean by stalked?
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Jail time would be even better.
SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Maybe keep your shitty politics out of your shitty product next time, and then you won’t face political consequences.
Sybilvane@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
In this case it looks like they commited fraud, so it’s not even just political.
Telorand@reddthat.com 1 month ago
That’s not even what happened. I work in the auto industry, and they very blatantly abused the rebate program with what are almost certainly fake vouchers.
Some individual dealerships reported thousands of sales in a single day, and that would be a miracle even at the best of times for a well established dealer. There’s no way Tesla is declining around the world and still selling miraculous numbers of vehicles.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Yeah I was really confused by the story surely they actually have to provide some kind of evidence they don’t just claim that they sold the cars. Like wouldn’t they have to provide the VIN or something.
But the very least I would have assumed that they had to list the name of the person they sold the car to.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I wonder if there is the possibility of the shareholders suing Elon because what he’s doing is so demonstrably damaging the company. He could totally have done this and not had the big PR problem by just not doing random stuff without running it past anyone. But nooo.
People weren’t happy about him essentially buying a governmental position but what they really objected to is all the subsequent things he did.
jaybone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is one way to deal with conflict of interests not being addressed. Too badly it can’t work for everything else. Like I can’t “boycott” space travel.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Trump calling this “Domestic Terrorism” and threatening Tariffs in response in 3… 2…
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Illegal boycott!” Was one of the stupidest things I’ve seen Trump say and that’s saying a lot
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Option 1: Tesla fraudulently filed rebates
Option 2: Tesla filed a backlog of rebates when they realized they had to
Both are possible, but everyone is jumping to conclusion that it’s option 1, while option 2 is the easier answer.
pennomi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Option 2 should be easy to prove, so why didn’t they do that already, like literally the same day they were accused of it? Then their funds wouldn’t have been frozen.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I imagine they probably don’t want to release the information that would prove it if they could, and if they did it’d be redacted enough that no one would believe it anyway.
Ultimately, if the government comes back and says its legit, then people will believe it.
That whole 1.5 billion fraud story last week, I don’t think Tesla said anything official about it, but the FT has now retracted the story saying they made a mistake.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Especially considering this was months ago
alaphic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Maybe they shouldn’t have kept a backlog then? That certainly sounds like a ‘them’ problem though, doesn’t it?
Doesn’t strike me as very efficient either
0xD@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Corpos are generally not efficient.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 month ago
So I’m cruising through the rules surrounding Canada’s iZEV program and I can’t find any requirement that the vehicle be “delivered”, which is contrary to all of the media coverage. It’s even described on the official Transport Canada website as a “Point of Sale” program. Delivery at the time of sale doesn’t seem to be a requirement.
Further if you look at the process, another place this is referenced as a “Point of Sale or Lease” program, and the e-forms the end purchaser IS involved with this. A dealership can’t file a re-imbursement claim without the end purchaser being involved.
The number of vehicles does seem high but only in the context of individuals however the iZEV program allows for Fleet Sales and some entities could claim up to 50 vehicles under the program. Now all of a sudden what would need to be 8,000 individual sales could theoretically be as low as 160.
Add it all together and it seems believable that Tesla slammed a bunch of legitimate sales into the system at the last minute. After reviewing the process and the forms it seems a LESS believable that Tesla made up all of these sales as the documentation requirements mean they’d certainly be caught the minute anyone checked.
waddle_dee@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Hopefully, this amounts to a fraud investigation and shareholders dump their stocks and cause Musk to fall below the margin call and then he liquidates and Tesla goes to rock bottom.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Doesn’t he only own like 13% of the stock in Tesla? His wealth is barely affected by Tesla going bankrupt
Tyfud@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes, but that 13% is massively leveraged. So it would significantly impact his ability to pay his loans that use those shares as collateral.
DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 1 month ago
The jig is up
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Now freeze the editor’s paycheck - no editor worth that much should be misspelling ‘suspicious’ in a headline.
jasoman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Canadians taking on the Nazis they should send canned food to tesla next.
brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
What’s going on in Quebec?
The federal government is following the same strategy as some provinces. British Columbia has recently banned Tesla products from its EV charger rebate. Nova Scotia just announced that it has excluded Tesla from its $2,000 rebate at the purchase of a new EV.
Quebec just relaunched its own EV incentive program today. It will come into effect next week, and so far, Tesla’s Model 3 and Model Y vehicles are still included in the list of eligible vehicles.
nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 month ago
Quebec always marches to a different drummer. Nevertheless, I expect they will be dropping the Tesla vehicles from their list sooner or later. They may just not want to make any more adjustments so close to a launch.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
after what US has done tariff wise I’m surprised that they haven’t blocked all US companies from it.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.