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What keeps Americans from being mad about the state of their country?

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not American, but from what I can see, its mostly:

    • Apathy
    • Not being clued in
    • Beliving nothing can be done
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    • tym@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      and #4: we dont believe if we take a bold step forward that our neighbors will show solidarity and endurance, which then puts us at risk of prosecution. A lot of us have kids to protect.

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Beliving nothing can be done

      This one in particular has been so corrosive. I believe if people believed in their vote, something would change. But the electoral college does more harm than good by diluting the vote. Couple that with gerrymandering to completely erode people’s trust in the system.

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    • chilicheeselies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not being clued in is a serious problem here. A lot of people dont take in any form of news whatsoever

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The last one is insistent. Probably because there is a lot of truth to it but it’s also obviously flawed and deserves more nuance.

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      • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It feels like there is little that can be done individually, but collectively everyone can do a lot.

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  • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bread and circuses

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  • Garlicsquash@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I honestly have no clue

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, it’s pretty complex .

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  • DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because I’m not mad about it.

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    • ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not yet 🙂
      You’re in trouble like the rest of us. You just don’t know it yet.

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      • DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m not in trouble at all. I’m financially independent, in a rural town, with my own place and land, and I don’t work for anyone.

        And I also now that you the world isn’t going to end just because Trump is president. You all just doomscroll all day. Go outside. No one takes this as seriously as Lemmy does. lol

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  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Culture war.

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  • InFerNo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Was reading r/conservative to see what’s on their minds regarding the events of late, and they are in there celebrating.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      r/conservative is a highly curated indoctrination machine. It’s purpose is to pull in conservative leaning people and teach them party line. If your on r/conservative you’re acquiescing to the group think or you stay silent.

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      • Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But that’s still an answer for you. It’s easy to fight back if we’re united, but they have a huge contingent of armed absolute morons celebrating the Nazification, rape, and pillaging of the country.

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  • snek_boi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I bet soon you’ll see massive consequential protests.

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    • Irelephant@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There is a lot of protests, the media isn’t really reporting them.

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  • brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We all are. The left and the right.

    We have all been told from different sources who or what to be mad about.

    Some were so mad about contrived issues they voted in someone who campaigned on destroying the federal government.

    Others are pissed off that that person who was voted in is destroying the federal government.

    The outrage machine literally is why the fascist pig is in the Whitehouse in the first place.

    What you might be asking is why we aren’t rioting in the streets. Just know that some of us are 4 times as far from our countries capital as London is from Berlin. In a blue state, who would I be protesting to? The people who already agree with me?

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So, logistics?

      If you ever need a ride ;-) <3

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    • invertedspear@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Protests don’t work if the people in power don’t care. One dude with a gun did more to shake up people in power than any recent protest has. Look how Elon wears his kids as human shields now. Protests are to bring awareness, the world is aware. We are now in need of people willing to take action.

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  • moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What makes you think we aren’t mad?

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just the general resistance to taking action.

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      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There’s a sort of depression and malaise there.

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      • Curly722@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        we are leaderless. acting individually looks like a public tantrum. acting as one makes a movement.

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  • Draegur@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fatigue.

    We’re too distracted by struggling to survive our small local daily struggles to even SEE the big picture.

    If there’s a time bomb in the room ticking down before your eyes, yeah that’s a big deal. If, in that same room, you’re also being attacked by a pack of rabid dogs though, chances are you’ve stuck a pin in the whole “what about the bomb” thing.

    And if there’s a sniper outside the room preparing to shoot you without even a moment’s notice that you KNOW is there and that you can’t even see AS WELL, all you can hope for us that all the moving around you’re doing to avoid being dragged down and torn apart by the rabid dogs will throw off their shots.

    They have BLINDED US WITH TRAUMA.

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  • Bz1sen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    • DonaldJMusk@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      USA just needs more luigis.

      What do you mean?

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  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    fat basically

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Is this like some sort of soy bullshit?

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  • veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The fact that it’s exactly what they want.

    Trump won with the popular vote: thhose want to be fascists. And those who don’t vote, well they just confirm a fascist in power.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why do they argue so much about not being fascist then?

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      • TigerWolfe@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Their entire life they’ve been told fascism is bad, it is, they don’t want to accept that what they want makes them the bad guys, so those of us who want what’s happening are still going to deny it’s fascism.

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A sense of entitlement and superiority I would imagine.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t know. Talking to everyone in this thread no one has told me they feel superior or beyond reproach. Mostly they just say their drawn too thin.

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      • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It is an ingrained attitude seen through statements like “leaders of the freeworld”, “the great american experiment”, “the most powerful person in the world (potus)”, etc.

        Americans have too much pride in a shithole country. There just isnt much justifiable pride to be found in modern america yet the leading party over every part of government maintains this greatest countrt ever bs.

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  • Gen_Euffe@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Complacency

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  • DaddysLittleSlut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No honestly most are mad in some sorta of way but we have a militia of trigger happy enforces and the biggest military in the world. Not much we can do without outside support. If we peacefully protest. They arrest you, shoot and kill you. Call you a terrorist, possibly even ban you from getting jobs.

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    • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You aren’t going to get shot. Dont give up just yet.

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      • DaddysLittleSlut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah no worries for me. While it may sometimes feel hopeless but I have to try. Only issue is I’ve applied at over 7k jobs and barely heard back from 40-50.

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      • tupcakes@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yet…

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  • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We’re all mad

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  • mrslt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Who said we aren’t mad?

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    • inamorta345@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think everyone’s news feeds are full of everything Trump’s administration is doing. I personally have not seen a single mention of anything being done against that, though to be fair I am not American. If there are indeed protests of any kind maybe it would be worth mentioning them, it’d certainly help me and I assume others feel a bit more optimistic.

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      • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        All major US news outlets are in the pockets of the oligarchs. The revolution will not be televised.

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      • Garlicsquash@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There was a protest in every single state capitol on February 3rd and many more cities like San Francisco as well. There will be another 50+ protests on Monday.

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      • mrslt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The reason you see little official pushback from within the US is because things are far more dire here than you might imagine, as an outsider. The US Republican Party (aka GOP - Trump’s party) is currently in control of all three branches of the US federal government. Ever since Trump took office, it’s been one step toward constitutional crisis after another, and apparently the Republicans don’t give a shit about rule of law when it comes to policing their own. The Democrats (our nominal “opposition” party) can’t really do shit right now except at the local level. We have an unelected CEO compromising every branch of our nation’s government with all the Republicans looking the other way. To be honest, I’m past the point of expecting a fair election in four years. As an American who grew up learning to value the ideals of personal freedom and liberty, to see what is happening to my country leaves me OUTRAGED.

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  • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lack of organization. We’re many of us individually mad, but there is no organization.

    Say what you will but Jan 6th and then some is what we should be doing, but we aren’t.

    All I’m doing now is hoarding ammunition and periodically buying more guns because I 1000% believe we’re going to see war soon.

    I’m also donating money to charities, helping people in my community that are struggling, and telling fascists to fuck off.

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    • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t own a gun and, personally, I find the idea barbaric.

      But at this point I acknowledge that it’s time to arm myself. This is how far our society has degenerated.

      However, I 100% disagree with Jan 6. That was a bunch of children with absolutely zero understanding of what they were doing. That was an example of how NOT to have a meaningful rebellion against an oppressive system. Those were fools behaving like fools and cheapening the idea of activism. They had no grasp of what they were doing or why. They were the antithesis of a true patriot that wants what is best for their society and goes about achieving that in a responsible, effective manner that inspires people to be the best version of a democratic citizen. They should not be idoolized. They are an embarrassment to our nation.

      We should be setting a better example. We are shaming this democracy in a way that makes me physically ill. We are acting in a way as to paint us as failures in a historical context to future generations and it is truly shameful. This is our legacy.

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      • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How do we set a better example / take the high road but actually make progress though?

        Lawsuits and protests are going to do nothing at this point.

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  • Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Most of us want someone else to do what needs to be done because we’re too busy simply making ends meet. Sure, let me just call out of work to do some protesting, oh shit, now I can’t afford rent, or food, or my meds, or paying off my last Dr visit, etc.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And I guess the world around you could be burning and that’s like, not a big deal.

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      • Default_Defect@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Would you like me to be homeless or in the hospital from not being able to afford my medications? You seem pretty willing to sacrifice people like me at the altar.

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  • BmeBenji@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m mad. I’m very mad. I’m also very tired of watching political movements get shut down by the people who respond with “yes, we need to do better” followed by a handful of performative actions, and absolutely no substantive change.

    I believe in a general strike. Wholeheartedly. I believe it would make real change. How the hell do I organize one safely? How do I trust any of the other people online who claim to be organizing them?

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    • Heyting@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Jane McAlevey No Shortcuts: Organising for Power in the New Gilded Age is a great book to learn about unions and union strategy

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re only ready when your courage surpasses your doubt.

        This. The real answer is that Americans won’t come together in solidarity to address this situation until almost every non-wealthy citizen in this country has their quality of life decline so much that they have nothing left to lose. We’re going to have to lose all our creature comforts before we take this seriously as a society. And honestly, by then, we’ll have lost so much power that it’ll be too late.

        Realistically, the time is right now, and, if we’re being candid, it probably already past.

        We are sooooo fucked.

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      • Heyting@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A strike takes a lot of preparation, most of which is unionising and convincing your coworkers to join the strike when it’s time. A strike at a workplace is only successful if 75% of workers join in on it. Some US unions are ready for it, but a lot aren’t. If you want to contribute, join a union or start unionising. Resistance is built from the bottom up and strong unions are the most effective method.

        Read Jane McAlevey No Shortcuts: Organising for Power in the New Gilded Age to learn about how to make a successful union and how powerful a successful union can be.

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  • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Apathy

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  • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Image

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    • jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My cat purred at me and it was heartwarming until I paid attention and then it was fucking infuriating

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  • HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    bread and circuses, mostly

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ah. Well it was worth it then.

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  • loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Real talk?

    Because I’m tired. So absurdly tired. Tired of the stupid and the sensationalism and the faked anger and the real suffering and pain.

    Am I mad? Yeah. But unfortunately I’m way more tired.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m tired too. Come on, let’s get this thing over with.

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  • raynethackery@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We are mad but we are also distracted and overwhelmed. You can’t get mad at work because you might get fired. Then there goes your housing and food and healthcare. It’s going to have to get a lot worse before things pop off.

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  • scoobford@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Your core supposition is wrong, basically everyone is mad about the state of our country. We just have several different ideas on how to fix it and two parties who are dedicated to making it worse.

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    • Lostinthecroll@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And that’s the problem. The two party system is flawed. It’s either one extreme or the other. Moderates no longer have a say. As long as it’s seen as my team vs yours and no side is willing to compromise this will always be the problem.

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      • scoobford@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Respectfully, I disagree. I struggle to think of candidates more milquetoast than Biden and Harris of all people.

        I think the problem is that we have no progressives. The right moves things right, the center does nothing, and there is no left.

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      • Kelly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Moderates no longer have a say.

        Many view the democrats as being right of centre already and that “moderates” are largely unrepresented because both parties lean right.

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  • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Police Procedural shows.

    Law and Order, Criminal Minds, NCIS, CSI, Lie to Me, Dexter…

    Basically, anything that makes people think that police are more effective at solving crime than they actually are.

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  • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mets not forget that America’s founding was a rich man’s revolution. It was the wealthy here who banded together to expunge their parent corporation and go independent. There is no tradition of popular revolt in this country, unless you want to count the civil war, wherein the wealthy (again) weaponized the racism of the lower class to protect their business interests. That part sound familiar?

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  • Triasha@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Americans are pissed as all hell. Michael Moore said in 2016 “the American people will throw Donald Trump into Washington like a Molotov Cocktail.”

    We do not agree who is at fault. 40% the voters think it’s brown people and queer people and about 30% of them think it’s the wealthy.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just so you know that molotov cocktail didn’t land it washington. It will land on every Americans doorstep.

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      • Triasha@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They don’t realize that… Yet.

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