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Germany hits 62.7% renewables in 2024 energy mix, with solar contributing 14%
Submitted 4 months ago by ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 months ago
woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
WTF is Australia doing? Aren’t they aware they have plenty of sunshine and an insanely long shoreline?
BakerBagel@midwest.social 4 months ago
Australia is just an oil company, a coal company, and a mining company disguised as a trench coat. The Liberal party (essentially just American Republicans opposed to guns) spent 2 decades killing any green energy initiatives in favor of fracking the Outback
Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
IIRC Australia mines a huge amount of coal
Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 months ago
Shame, innit? They could be the n1 Solar panel producers and exporters…oh well.
daddy32@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Australia likes its coal like america its guns.
makingrain@lemm.ee 4 months ago
The sun doesn’t shine at night. Have a look when it is daytime there and you’ll see upwards of 60% of their electricity is solar.
Or use the EM site and check for past statistics.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Really cool. Thanks for the share. Also quite depressing, most countries (even rich ones who have like triple responsibility) are barely even trying.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 months ago
They used to have nuclear too
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Yeah, what’s up with that? Nuclear works well for France, so why did it fall out of favor in Germany?
It’s not perfect, but it does a fantastic job at providing a base load alternative to batteries, which could significantly reduce rollout costs if they had existing plants. It’s probably not worth switching now, unless they have some dormant plants that could be fired up quickly (like we’re doing in the US).
docoptix@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Nuclear works well for France
Apart from that the plants don’t work in summer and the prices have to be capped/subsidized to keep power affordable…
kameecoding@lemmy.world 4 months ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schröder
Step 1 shut down nuclear, and switch to gas Step 2 get hired by gazprom
j4yt33@feddit.org 4 months ago
There has always been quite a noticeable anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany, especially in the 70s/80s and after Fukushima political pressure rose to get rid of nuclear power. Some also say that the SPD was very friendly with Putin and that’s why they were happy to increasingly rely on Russian gas imports. Not sure if that’s true though
themurphy@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Yeah, what’s up with that? Nuclear works well for France, so why did it fall out of favor in Germany?
Lobbying (corruption).
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Meanwhile, the USA is 24%-ish renewables and 60%-ish fossil fuels. Damn fossil fuel industry and anti-progress politicians.
jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
*state dependent. ;)
ikidd@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I love that chart you can’t read.
gitamar@feddit.org 4 months ago
Original chart source: www.energy-charts.info/…/Stromerzeugung_2024.pdf
Slide 17
ikidd@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ty
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Electricity imports also rose to 24.9 TWh, driven by lower generation costs in neighboring countries during summer.
For the love of God, please just build nuclear instead of virtue signaling with solar panels while you import your energy needs.
thisNotMyName@lemmy.world 4 months ago
All our nuclear plants are shut down and weren’t maintained for further usage, than that few years ago when they were shut down, for decades. They are basically trash. Now just take a look at UK or France how cheap and easy it is to build new ones (when you can’t sacrifice workers and environment like China). And then take a look at France’s nuclear power production in recent heat summers. And finally take a look where that sweet little uranium is coming from when imported (Germany has none). And now give me a single good reason why investing in nuclear is better than investing in dirt cheap, decentralizeable renewables to cover future electricity needs.
DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 4 months ago
Btw French Nuclear Power Company went bankrupt last years. Because of this cheap Nuclear. It’s owned by the Government now. In South Corea the Nuclear company is due 150 Billion dollars. Bankrupt very soon. Sellafield the British nuclear dump expects costs of 136 Billion pounds until 2050. Already owned by the Government.
It’s so fucking cheap this nuclear.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 months ago
The “just use nuclear” crowd is so dumb. They make it so obvious they have no idea what they are talking about. Which I would not mind on its own, but they always think they are the smartest people in the room and that’s infuriating.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
There’s no sense in spending limited public funding on nuclear now - renewables and storage is winning on all fronts.
Shutting down what nuclear existed was a costly mistake, but going down that path again is an even worse one
tux0r@feddit.org 4 months ago
Germany has the EU’s highest energy prices. Just saying.
ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Norway has one of the lowest. And they don’t have only 62.7%.
99% of their energy comes from renewables.In the USA, some of the states with lowest prices has the highest % of renewables.
Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
To be fair, Norway and those states rely heavily on hydro, which is great if you have the geography for it, but it’s not a route that can work for every region.
Excluding hydro renewable sources tend to cost more currently, though that premium has been and is coming down.
makingrain@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Norway regularly has very high energy prices… in fact, they’re so high they want to cut exports.
The reason they’re high is because of the grid in other countries being hit by low wind or grey sky days, pushing up the minimum pricing that they’re also subjected to by being part of the same grid.
ori@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“This single thing is more expensive in this country” is a stupid way to compare prices from countries.
perfectly_boiled_pizza@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Norway has some of the lowest in Europe. Less than a third of Germany’s prices. Norway is producing more (hydro) energy than it’s able to use.
That’s why it’s exporting some of it to other countries today. Before Norway did this their prices were even lower.
Thorry84@feddit.nl 4 months ago
Sure just saying, not trolling at all.
Solar drives energy prices down, not up. In the summer the energy price regularly goes negative because there is so much solar available.
And it isn’t even remotely true, a lot of countries have higher energy prices than Germany within the EU. The Netherlands for example has crazy high energy prices. And that’s in absolute numbers, not even corrected for things like GDP.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Why is that?
RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
IIRC it’s because there is a pseudo monopoly for the power lines which can increase prices for using them and the price for electricity orients itself on the most expensive form of electricity (coal I think), so the price benefits of renewables only benefit the seller and not the buyer
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
Because the price we pay is determined by the most expensive source, that’s to ensure low costing energy like wind and solar make the biggest profit and get expanded further and faster.
lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Because Germany is not at 100% renewable yet. Soon.
wewbull@feddit.uk 4 months ago
It’s the coal they’re burning.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
One of the nicer upshots of cutting the cord with Russia is the sky high price of electricity incentivizing big investments in renewable energy.
wewbull@feddit.uk 4 months ago
UK for comparison (Average over year)
GW % Coal 0.18 0.6 Gas 8.31 27.7 Solar 1.52 5.1 Wind 9.36 31.1 Hydroelectric 0.41 1.4 Nuclear 4.36 14.5 Biomass 2.15 7.1 bazsy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The sum of those percentages is 87.5%. So what’s the rest, maybe import from France or Norway?
glimse@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There’s a joke in there about the power of hot air but I’m not confident enough in my knowledge of British politics to make it
addie@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Well, we’ve a single cable coming over from France that makes up about 3% (I think) of our total electricity supply. So “French Nuclear” should be a bigger entry in that table than coal, solar, hydro or bio. That’s not the only import, either, so it’s not completely impractical for the missing percentages to be imports.
wewbull@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Yes it’s imports. Norway / France and Netherlands mainly.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
That’s an incredible amount of wind power.
realitista@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Nice graph with no freaking labels.
gitamar@feddit.org 4 months ago
Original chart source: www.energy-charts.info/…/Stromerzeugung_2024.pdf
Slide 17
tomsh@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I love it, I like it like my new contract they send me with new prices for electricity (44% up)
zergtoshi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sounds off, because renewbles are typically cheaper than the alternatives.
Any chance you got a ‘fossil only’ contract?tomsh@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It sounds strange, but that’s how it is, and it’s Ökostrom. Luckily, I can change my provider when they raise the price, so it won’t increase that much for me, but it will still go up, and I’m not the only one in my area because some friends of mine received the same ‘greeting.’ (To those who give dislikes, that won’t change the facts no matter how much you would like it to.)
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
renewbles are typically cheaper than the alternatives
But firms will charge market rate regardless of the source of energy. This is a problem we have in Texas under ERCOT.
Green power can come in at such high rates that local power is practically free. But because the energy is bundled and auctioned with coal and gas across the grid at large, and because electricity is priced at the maximum auction rate, a shortage in one municipality that’s filled with high priced fossil fuel power raises the retail price of energy into the hundreds or even thousands of dollars a MWh.
orrk@lemmy.world 4 months ago
why would market electricity prices have any relation to what you pay on your power bill? turns out that companies will charge whatever they know they can, regardless of the cost of acquiring something to sell, should the cost of something be more than they know they can sell it for, they just won’t sell it.
The idea that market prices influence what you pay for something is basically one of the main lies of supply side economics.
Sniatch@feddit.org 4 months ago
You should change your provider. I do it every year because thata how you can lots of money.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Frustrating that these private energy companies can charge whatever they want (cough market rate is a scam cough) and you need to chase teaser rates year to year if you want to keep your electricity prices down.
Shame Western Europe lacks state owned municipalities obligated to sell at cost, rather than a colidascope of private firms looking to maximize the margin on every kWh sold.
jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Are you sure its the actual cost of the electricity or the fact that many other costs are often bundled into your bill?
tomsh@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Obviously, you don’t live in Germany or the EU, and it’s questionable whether you’ve ever paid a single bill. Because the electricity bill is always separate from other bills and is a special contract.
gitamar@feddit.org 4 months ago
Original chart source: www.energy-charts.info/…/Stromerzeugung_2024.pdf
Slide 17
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Remember Berlin has a latitude of 52.5°. That puts it far north of the 49th parallel border.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
My friend is dumb and doesn’t know the significance of the 49th parallel. Can you explain it to them?
barsoap@lemm.ee 4 months ago
US/Canadian border from roughly Vancouver to Winnipeg. Berlin is further north than Saskatoon, Karlsruhe is on the 49th parallel. The lot of mainland Europe is north of Albuquerque. In fact much of Tunesia is north of Albuquerque. Miami is on about the same parallel as Bahrain, Orlando on the same as New Delhi.
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
True, but climate in Central Europe is different to the US-Canada border.
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m thinking solar is hard.
where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Yeah, you get even more clouds.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Sure, but Munich is south of the 49th parallel.
weker01@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
If baveria wasn’t one of the worst NIMBY hell holes in the (known by me) world.
JelleWho@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wasn’t Germany that weird one where ‘gas’ was labeled as ‘renewable’? Or was that something diffrent?
DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 4 months ago
Not that was France labeling Nuclear as Renewable. Because, because it doesn’t emit CO2, I guess. Don’t know what „Re-New“ translates into French and I‘d be surprised if it is „Split Atoms“.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wasn’t Germany that weird one where ‘gas’ was labeled as ‘renewable’?
Biogas from decomposition is renewable. That definition is accepted internationally.
Doesn’t mean it’s ecological. There’s a difference.
Miaou@jlai.lu 4 months ago
No, worse, they labeled it as green. Naziland never fails to be on the wrong side of history
daddy32@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yes it was, but I can’t find the sources now. It was some time after the recent invasion of Ukraine by the eastern hordes; titles were something like "Germany reclasified natural gas as renewable’. My memory fails me, so it may have been different gas and different purpose than electricity. Anyway, it came as a very poor taste.
In other news, Germany imports quite some percentage of its electricity from other countries, like nuclear-produced electricity from France. So, in a sense and to a degree, it outsources the emissions to other countries.
Amoxtli@thelemmy.club 4 months ago
They’re getting poorer and deindustrializing at a rapid pace.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
The ironworks in Ruhrgebiet died a century ago, in case you didn’t notice.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Biomass may well be renewable, but I still don’t think it counts as green.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Why not? Doesn’t creating the biomass require sequestering carbon?
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
I wish people would stop conflating energy with electricity.
So Germany had ⅔ of it’s electricity from renewables, but still has gas for warming homes, petrol for cars, diesel for trucks, and so on.
zergtoshi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re right, but if you read beyond the title it’s clearly stated that it’s about electricity generation.