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We're not going to terraform Mars, but we're doing a good job of venusforming Earth.

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Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨65gmexl3@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

https://fediscience.org/@petergleick/113488081355301856

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  • hark@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is why it’s silly hearing billionaires, who do the most damage to our planet, telling us how urgently we need to “get off this rock” which has supported life for millions of years in favor of some dead planet. It’s really just an extension of capitalism that demands infinite space to exploit, instead of being content with sustainability.

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    • Free_Opinions@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Elon’s argument for why we need to spread to other planets holds true even if everything on Earth were going perfectly.

      It’s not about getting everyone off Earth - it’s about creating a backup for humanity on other planets. This ensures that the only known flame of consciousness in the universe isn’t extinguished by a nuclear war, pandemic, supervolcano, or asteroid impact.

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      • Kalladblog@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        By extension it would give more of an excuse for the top 1% to give even less of a fck about earth and the climate. Next thing you’d see is all the rich bailing to another planet while those who can’t afford it are left with what’s left of earth and the hellscape they left behind (and probably still have more agency over earth than those still living on there).

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      • redwattlebird@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Our bodies are simply not made to leave earth for a long period. It’s a lofty goal but completely unrealistic when considering our biology has evolved specifically to live here.

        Has no one learned anything from War of the Worlds?

        Also, remember how humanity really messed things up when we started colonising other parts of our globe? We brought disease, we murdered and we polluted.

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      • slumberlust@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is not risk free. When you give people access to space and still have terrorism and wars, things can end badly quickly.

        There’s also a valid argument around where to best focus those resources now. We are nowhere near ready for space colonization on any scale, let alone sustainable ones.

        A City on Mars by the Wienersmiths dives into some of these challenges if you are interested.

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      • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you can make people survive on Mars, you’re more than able to make pockets of humanity survive those disasters on Earth

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    • jaemo@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It should also be a strong strong signal to stop listening to the apes that are hoarding all the bananas, and instead, eat that banana-hoarding abhorrence.

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      • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bananas make for a terrible time value storage in the real world

        In donkey Kong country tho? He who controls bananas controls the universe

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bruh, just realized terraforming starts with terra and that’s why it’s what it’s called

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The term translates horribly into Finnish: “maankaltaistaminen”. “To make like Earth/ground/dirt” and “make like” as in “type”, not “form”.

      So it could be like “earthlikening” instead of “terraforming”.

      Which makes me think of this Wikipedia that’s written in the way they imagine English could’ve evolved if it wasn’t influenced by Latin.

      anglish.fandom.com/wiki/Main_leaf

      for instance their article on maths starts with:

      Telcraft (scorelore, rimecraft or reckonlore) (English: Mathematics) is the smeying of scorings, or the recking of begrips such as score, room, shift, and forebuilding. Benjamin Peirce called it “the cunning which draws needful outcomes”.

      Through foredeeming and wordlock mulling, scorelore arose from notching, reckoning, deeming, and the learning of sheathes and shapes.

      Knowledge and note of fern scorelore have always been a spanning and a needful lifetool, as can be witnessed from orshafts of Egypt, Bearithland, Indland, China and Frodland. Furthermore, the Ishango bone is more than 20 thousand years old.

      Titillating, isn’t it?

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    • B312@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Same lol

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  • TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But think of the shareholders!!

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  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not one single government cares so much about it tho.

    Higher temperatures will free up soil for agriculture in upper and lower latitudes. With luck, population size will keep increasing then for those countries and also quality of life

    Coastal cities can fight it, at least some to some degree.

    If we get fusion between our lifetimes, things are going to get even better

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    • zarathustra0@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not one single government cares so much about it tho.

      Way to generalise, bro. There are some low lying island states that are going to disappear under the rising sea levels. I think they are taking it pretty seriously.

      Don’t bullshit please.

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      • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If people and government really cared that much about it, we all would be living in a totalitarian planetary government, controlling by the milligram every expense that is not calorically viable to post culling population of billions.

        Either or they ALL would be pumping up so much nuclear centrals that we be drowning on the almost free energy

        Either that, or they ALL would be pushing for the creation and implementation of a totally viable lunar base to construct a full orbital cache of microwave solar emitters, with the accompanying swarm of orbital mirrors to reduce the sun’s impact on the atmosphere

        We see advance in neither of those

        So yeah who’s bullshitting who. I know they don’t care and don’t have to pretend like they do

        Your pathological need to believe a blatant lie due to your own powerlessness? That’s all on you

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  • Dadifer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Much more likely the whole earth turns into a desert, no?

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Earth’s surface is 2/3rds water and that’s not changing.

      But intense heat means more storms with stronger winds and heavier rain. Imagine a Cat 5 hitting the coast every year.

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    • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, that would be mercuryforming Earth. Earth will still have an atmosphere and rainfall, though it may no longer be livable for humans.

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  • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I, for one, would like to give a shout-out to my dog, magnetosphere!

    Holla!

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    • brillotti@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The magnetosphere has been weakening in strength due to the ongoing pole shift over the past 30 years, which will peak in the 2040s. I pray there will be no coronal mass elections in the direction of earth during the pole shift, otherwise most of unshielded electric equipment will get fried, including infrastructure.

      Magnetic pole shifting

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      • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No way. Is that really happening? The magnetic poles are flipping the 2040s? How often does that happen? Old compasses won’t be correct? Will it affect anything else (Aurora Borealis?, etc?)

        I’m plumb flummoxed.

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    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This guy Earth’s

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    • Jumi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Interesting name for a dog, not gonna lie

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      • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Maggy for short, I’m sure of it.

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  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The acid rain is going be be so slimming.

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  • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Venusforming earth is a lot like terraforming mars, it’s just hard to reach. If 200 years ago we were able to easily reach mars, we would have fucked up that too

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  • AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Venus does have a lot of valuable materials, this could be a good thing.

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    • 667@lemmy.radio ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can’t wait to see the shareholder value.

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    • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’d rather live somewhere habitable than somewhere with “valuable materials”.

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  • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Earth has been around for 4.5 million years. Humans have only been around for 300,000 years approximately. With only a few hundred years of the industrial age.

    Would a few hundred years really cause an extinction event?

    That’s interesting to think about… Perhaps it’ll take a few hundreds/thousand years to fix. If it can be fixed… Or we get hit by an asteroid first…

    Between cutting down all of the trees and other pollutants, like these so called environmentalists flying around in their own private jets, it’ll be fun for a while.

    Either the humans will die off due to global warming/runaway greenhouse effect before interstellar travel is achieved, or the humans will die off due to the suns transformation into a red giant before interstellar travel is achieved.

    IDK. Either way, we won’t be here for long. But the earth will be long after us.

    Will technology save the human race beyond the two inevitable events? Probably not.

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    • Zink@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I assume that the red giant sun engulfing the earth will produce enough drag that earth loses momentum and falls into the sun permanently. We’ll still be gone by then, but noting is forever, even the earth itself.

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      • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes , you’re right. The red giant will consume the Earth.

        We won’t be alive if there’s a mass Exodus from earth, but is that even possible?

        Probably not

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  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The feminism-oil complex

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    • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Musk is desperately trying to make “women come from Venus, men from Mars” reality

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We’re just trying to make it more hospitable to women. They’re from Venus, after all.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The government never built a weather machine. But the oil companies built a carbon machine that’s doing a fantastic job changing the weather, and they knew it 50 years ago.

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