Comment on We're not going to terraform Mars, but we're doing a good job of venusforming Earth.

• Free_Opinions@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  We will most likely always have terrorism and wars. That’s not an argument against letting wealthy individuals fund a private space race.

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  • ProtonFiber@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    He meant the budget spent on space is enormous and there are more urgent priorities on Earth solve so he does get it.

    We already have Mars populated by human-made robot, and one going to Europa moon, terraforming means you’re thinking of making it habitable for humans, a huge difference from sending robots to do researches to understand better the moons/asteroids/planets.

    The point you try saying his argument which seems against billionaires to be invalid instead of arguing against any other point he made just points out your focus is being an apologist for the wealthy to keep doing what they do best, starve and explore everyone else.

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    • Free_Opinions@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s private wealth, not government funding. They’re free to use their wealth how ever they see fit as long as it’s legal.

      Ad-hominem is not argument to the contrary either.

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      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Great argument for and example of how the US government isn’t taxing wealth nearly enough, if we have homeless people and billionaires funding sci fi fantasies for their own amusement in the same country.

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  • slumberlust@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes it is! Right now no one can hurtle an asteroid at earth to end it instantly. When space mining takes off that’s a very real threat.

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    • Free_Opinions@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m not sure space mining is what causes asteroids. Dinosaurs didn’t have a space program to my knowledge.

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      • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Space mining can absolutely cause asteroids strikes. It only hasn’t done it yet because we haven’t done any asteroid mining yet. A big part of asteroid mining operations will likely be asteroid herding, bringing all the asteroids you want to the same place where they can be processed. But moving asteroids around is a potentially dangerous activity.

        That said, space is really really really big… It’s really hard for two things to hit each other on accident. If you’re collecting asteroids at a high earth orbit, the chance of them accidentally hitting earth instead is extremely low. You have to miss your target by over 100,000 miles. Which would be… a monumental failure.

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• Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I think it would be a good idea to start colonizing space before “we have our shit figured out on earth”, since you know, that will never actually happen. We will have wars on earth for all eternity, we should colonize and explore space anyway.

  Honestly, I strongly believe that striving to make space habitats work is one of the things that will finally teach us what we need to know to live sustainably on earth. The thing is, an affordable space colony is one that recycles almost everything, one that works mostly as a closed loop, a sustainable bubble. So in other words, if you know how to survive in a space colony, you know how to live without destroying the earth. And extreme sustainability is really the natural goal with any large space colony. Unfortunately nobody is really trying to do that here on earth, the funding, the engineering, it just isn’t happening. But if we start seriously attempting habitats in space, then people will be attempting that somewhere… And once we figure out how to do it, it can be reapplied to life on earth.

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  • slumberlust@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I used to think this way too, or hand wave away all the inconvenients as lessons to be learned, but there is a very valid argument to make that the best thing we can do as a species right now, is to focus inward here before we move out there. Wall before you run type thing. The book mentioned earlier covers a lot of these topics in detail and if you are interested I’d highly recommend as it reshaped my view of the current options. godpseed

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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah, I’ve been meaning to read a City on Mars, it’s near the top of my list. I have read some excerpts from it though, and from what I’ve seen, it is trying to tackle these questions from a realistic perspective, but it does also seem overly pessimistic at times.

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