Calling a made up construct âthe absolute truthâ is hilarious
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Zwiebel@feddit.org âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
The test to know if anything is an absolute truth is if it is called an absolute truth. If it is called an absolute truth, then it isnât an absolute truth. If it isnât called an absolute truth, then it isnât an absolute truth. Absolute truths donât exist. If someone tells you something is an absolute truth, stop listening to them.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
What about my Sith friend?
samus12345@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Theyâre made up constructs that reflect the absolute truth when applied correctly (from his perspective).
Phoenix3875@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Well, it depends on your definition of truth and it could be the absolute truth by definition. A theorem is absolutely true in the same way that âa bachelor is an unmarried manâ is categorically true.
barsoap@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
âThis line on the map is perpendicular to this other line on the mapâ is not a statement about the territory.
i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml [bot] âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I was about to say âincompleteness theoremâ!
Srh@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
That just means we canât know everything about the system. Not that it is not true.
barsoap@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Thatâs computer science alongside with Church/Turing. Maths could have tried to claim it but they doubled down on formalism so they donât deserve it.
That said though incompleteness follows from nothing but logical implication itself so itâs more fundamental than physics (try to imagine a physics without cause and effect) and philosophy (find me a philosopher who wasnât asleep during their logic lectures).
Srh@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Math ainât made up. Math is discovered.
WldFyre@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I donât think thatâs a settled debate IIRC
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Math is a tool!
IndiBrony@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Your a tool!
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sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
âŠ
youâre*
(Iâm sorry T_T)
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Only on my dadâs side!
Carrolade@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Specifically, a language. It moves information from one place to another. It can reveal new information too, but thatâs more of a useful side effect imo.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I do see where youâre going but I would consider language a tool for communication.
propter_hog@hexbear.net âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
azi@mander.xyz âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Not as something we have access to but yeah!
Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Computer science, we you both of your tools to solve problems. And make an electronic canary aka AI
Shou@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
The progams we use at work, are downright magical. Yo computer dude, how can a computer be inconsistent?
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
If someone needs another existental crisis hereâs a prompt:
- Is math universal or is it a system of thought invented by humans and it only makes sense to us?
CodexArcanum@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Models. Humans hold models of the world in their minds, math helps you understand and create more complex and consistent models. You always exist in a simulation of your own construction to make sense of the universe.
My feeling is that no model can ever fully capture a complete description of reality, the information isnât compressible to such a degree that approximations or abstractions can be lossless.
Most of what we consider to be invention is merely combinatoric novelty.
Artyom@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Good thing physicists solved that problem already; if everything is made up and can only be observed through our preconceived notions and thereâs no way to prove a world beyond them, then it doesnât matter. The universe we can observe is reality and everything beyond that is beyond meaningful definition and is therefore useless, which is how we define âphilosophyâ.
slackassassin@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Math is not an invention. Itâs a discovery.
JackbyDev@programming.dev âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Math is definitely universal. The math behind things in science wouldnât suddenly change on different alien planets. Take things like V = IR. That relies on multiplication and division. Itâs gonna be the same on other planets. The units, notation, etc. will be different but the concepts would be the same.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâm no STEM major, so I may be way off, but this is how I see it.
V = IR isnât math. Itâs a way of defining the relationship and outcome of two specific physical qualities. It says that we combine the resistance of a medium Âź with the current flowing through it (I) into another joint quality we call voltage (V). We do this because it makes our understanding of the physical world easier to manage since this relationship has helpful applications.
Math is simply patterns in the relationships of quantities. It excludes any physical units or qualities. In other words, math is the art of counting.
Hardy@lemmy.ml âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Bruh⊠then imagine how hard a philosopherâs world would be likeâŠ
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I donât understand this meme format. Are the speech bubbles the texts received or the texts sent? It looks like theyâre typing, so could be both.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I assumed the bubbles are the texts sent, but I could see the argument for the other side too.
peyotecosmico@programming.dev âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Engineering has enter the chat: hold upâŠ
lowleveldata@programming.dev âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
The number of people having jobs in this picture is record low
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Thereâs a real gravity to that statement and it definitely adds up.
eldain@feddit.nl âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Because they are students? Both are high demand professions, I donât get it.
sir_pronoun@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I guess that the commentor meant that those kinds of thoughts donât get you jobs, and doesnât know how easy it is to get a job with a degree in either of those fields. Same for the upvoters.