The Esperanto bento
Non-smart smart move
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Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club to historymemes@piefed.social
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k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Use Toki Pona for your scientific papers.
jpablo68@infosec.pub 1 day ago
but you can learn esperanto in like a month… estas tre facile stultuloj…
echodot@feddit.uk 1 day ago
You might as well just write it in Singlish. It’s not a real language so it would be difficult to write a technical paper. What is Esperanto for hydrodynamics?
Successful_Try543@feddit.org 19 hours ago
What is Esperanto for hydrodynamics?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
You can learn it in a month….if you are from Western Europe.
jpablo68@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Two if you’re from anywhere else, seriously the number of words you need to learn is minuscule compared with other languages because of the suffix and prefix system that esperanto has
_stranger_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Are you ok? Do you smell burning toast?
(I kid, I knew a guy who was really good at it, it was always fun to have him translate things to esperanto for fun)
jpablo68@infosec.pub 1 day ago
lol, BTW spoken esperanto has a bit of a problem because the person speaking it injects the pronunciation of its language into it so you end up with germans and french doing the german and french “R” or the anglos mispronouncing a lot of vowels.
mkwt@lemmy.world 1 day ago
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Use esoteric knowledge of jet streams to firebomb the Pacific coast of the United States with balloons.
Mikina@programming.dev 2 days ago
I’ve never looked at Esperanto. Is it at least easy to learn and use?
I have to look up it’s history, like who and when thought it’s a good idea, and why it didn’t work out. Sounds like a fun rabbit hole.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
why it didn’t work out
Hitler and Stalin. That’s why.
Boppel@feddit.org 2 days ago
It is ridiculously simple. Honestly, I don’t understand why it wasn’t chosen as a European language. We could have had an easy-to-learn, inclusive language that avoids grammatical irregularities. it doesn’t give an advantage to certain nations or disadvantages to others and as an artificial language it doesn’t prefer any culture over another. Just imagine how easy it would be to learn other languages if you already had that foundation. The pronunciation is simple, and even people outside the EU have advocated for it, since it is easy to learn worldwide. I speak German, English, and a little French, Japanese, and Spanish; Esperanto is far easier than any of those languages.
nialv7@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Had it been chosen as a European language and been adopted by a large population, it would quickly stop being simple.
gnutrino@programming.dev 1 day ago
Honestly, I don’t understand why it wasn’t chosen as a European language
It has the same problem as Lojban - you can only use it to communicate with the sort of people that learn Esperanto.
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago Because language is cultural and thus doesn’t lend itseld to artificiality. Not that it doesn’t happen but it is unpredictable as to what is adopted and what is left in the dust.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago as an artificial language it doesn’t prefer any culture over another
as long as it’s European, of course
NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Kiam oni konsciiĝas, ke oni povas diri ian ajn rubon sur la interreto per tiu ĉi lingvo, ĉar neniu komprenos sin
Boppel@feddit.org 2 days ago
aŭ tiel vi pensas…
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Intertanto, multo de personas poterea leger iste sin haber a aprender le lingua.
nysqin@feddit.org 1 day ago
I didn’t understand the original comment, but does this mean something along the lines of “many people will be able to read this without having learned the language”?
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
for one second i thought i was reading portuguese
- rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
Note to self: do not make a language intended for global communication by just mixing 3 European languages and taking the hardest to learn features from them.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
I maintain that the most realistically usable artificial global language would be something inspired by toki pona, but with actual effort put into picking words that are maximally understandable and pronounceable by as many people as possible and is designed to be incredibly difficult to mangle beyond intelligibility.
No even remotely complex rules, nothing fancy whatsoever, just an engineered caveman speech that literally anyone can learn from a pamphlet and reliably use to communicate basic normal things with anyone else. Like the way you end up talking when you just barely know a language and need to communicate “i’m allergic to shellfish, can you guarantee that my food won’t have touched any part of an animal with a shell?”
- rockerface@lemmy.cafe 15 hours ago
Yeah, toki pona phonetics are ideal for an international language, literally every phoneme is extremely common
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 days ago
What do you mean by hardest features? It’s been ages since i looked at Esperanto, but back then I didn’t find it particularly hard to learn.
- rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
Let me guess: your native language is Germanic, Romance or Slavic.
Esperanto’s phonetics, phonotactics, vocabulary and grammar are all overly Eurocentric and twice as complicated as they should be for a language that is presented as a tool for global communication. And don’t even get me started on diacritics.
Anyone who grew up speaking a non-Indo-European language is going to have a hard time even getting the hang of the alphabet and all the sounds.
PugJesus@piefed.social 2 days ago
“But Esperanto is the future!”
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Hot take: Everyone should accept that English is the common language, and only speaking one language is a setback.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
I agree but i think we also need to accept that the majority of humans live in asia and should have their own influence on the language, rather than trying to keep it from changing by associating it to specific countries where it’s native.
If “international english” turns into a creole of basically every major language, and everyone makes an effort to learn or at least become familiar with languages unrelated to their native one; then it becomes vastly more fair and useful as a lingua franca.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Only if you accept that English is a garbage language and reform it so the rest of the world has to learn a sensible language instead of the clusterfuck that is english.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 day ago
Yeah, English is the most spoken language in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
janus2@lemmy.zip 1 day ago also hot take: US schools should teach 100–300 most common kanji (their meanings and pronunciations in Mandarin) if nothing else to dispel the myth that logograms are “too hard to learn” for English speakers
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago Yeah, as fucky as English is, as hard as it can be to learn, it’s currently the lingua franca ;)
Plus, because it’s a language that loves borrowing words and phrases, it’s already set up with an ease of integration to a limited extent.
At this point, any effort to displace it as the default is going to cause as much trouble and hassle as it’s place as the default does.
That being said, a language like Esperanto would be a better choice overall. It’s kinda like how Latin can serve as a neutral and fixed language because it’s dead. Esperanto isn’t dead, but it’s similarly fixed, and not tied to a single culture, so it would work. Then again, so would Latin
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Should have published in Lojban.